December General CBB Discussion Thread (Non-BE)

[EnochRoot]

Yeah I disagree with you that Michigan's talent blows away UConn's talent. I disagree with you that Karaban doesn't have a matchup advantage over anyone he'll play against this season. I disagree with you that Nimari Burnett is better than Solo Ball. I disagree with you that Tarris is soft. I disagree with you that 3-3 needed to be the goal in our marquee out of conference games. I do think we would've rolled Arizona if we had Tarris and Braylon.

Michigan is bigger. The difference will be how well UCONN guards develop this season. But as it stands, Michigan is in a class by itself. Arizona is probably a tick below UCONN.

 

[RuffRuff]

Michigan is bigger. The difference will be how well UCONN guards develop this season. But as it stands, Michigan is in a class by itself. Arizona is probably a tick below UCONN.

With Burries now putting up big numbers, I'm not sure they're a tick below Uconn.

Yes, Uconn has a lot of room to develop at the PG and Solo needs to be better than a 28% shooter from three for Uconn to get there.

 

[RuffRuff]

Darius Adams having a rough freshman year. Danny would have coached him up. Hope it was worth the NIL $$.

Really hard to decipher what route is the better for someone in his shoes, less PT with a great coach, or more with a less than. This one is hard to know.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Not that anyone is saying it, but you can count out Kentucky winning the national championship. Chuck predicted they're going to win it all.

I thought he was referring to Arizona when saying he thought the Wildcats were gonna win it all, I only tuned in for like 10 minutes though.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Michigan is bigger. The difference will be how well UCONN guards develop this season. But as it stands, Michigan is in a class by itself. Arizona is probably a tick below UCONN.

Michigan hasn’t played UConn’s or Arizona’s schedule. Their best win against Gonzaga was the 3rd game in 3 days for both teams, I think we all know how unpredictable those games can be. Only other team they’ve played is Auburn, also in the MTE with both teams on no rest. Give me UConn on a full week’s scout (or even a 2/3 day turnaround) in the tournament.

 

[RuffRuff]

Michigan hasn’t played UConn’s or Arizona’s schedule. Their best win against Gonzaga was the 3rd game in 3 days for both teams, I think we all know how unpredictable those games can be. Only other team they’ve played is Auburn, also in the MTE with both teams on no rest. Give me UConn on a full week’s scout (or even a 2/3 day turnaround) in the tournament.

Uconn will always have the coaching edge and force the other team to execute on both ends. May is no slouch that said.

Cannot minimize Michigan - they are slaughtering everyone. You're reaching with the rationale. It may not have been Uconns schedule, but they are obliterating everyone.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Uconn will always have the coaching edge and force the other team to execute on both ends. May is no slouch that said.

Cannot minimize Michigan - they are slaughtering everyone. You're reaching with the rationale. It may not have been Uconns schedule, but they are obliterating everyone.

All I was trying to say is that Michigan hasn’t fully proven they are the best team. They’ve played their schedule well, but they have yet to play a 1A team outside of 1 game in the MTE. Credit to them still for those games in the MTE, but normal rest and scouting can change a game a lot. Their schedule is pretty loaded end of January forward, so gonna be able to tell a lot about them then.

 

[AllHusky]

If you've watched them, they have some elements of Nolan Richardsons 60 minutes of Hell to their defense. On offense just toss the ball towards basket and somebody will grab it and jam it through. Rebounding, defense and a couple of guys who can shoot the 3. Gonna be a handful.

 

[RuffRuff]

All I was trying to say is that Michigan hasn’t fully proven they are the best team. They’ve played their schedule well, but they have yet to play a 1A team outside of 1 game in the MTE. Credit to them still for those games in the MTE, but normal rest and scouting can change a game a lot. Their schedule is pretty loaded end of January forward, so gonna be able to tell a lot about them then.

I believe they play Duke OOC. They'll also have Purdue and MSU. We'll know how good they are by March. Right now they look they have a step on everyone else.

 

[KingAG]

I believe they play Duke OOC. They'll also have Purdue and MSU. We'll know how good they are by March. Right now they look they have a step on everyone else.

Their front court is amazing. I still don’t trust Cadeau and Burnett. I think by the end of the year our back court will be clearly better and our front court won’t be far off.

The one major advantage they have is size.

 

[RuffRuff]

Their front court is amazing. I still don’t trust Cadeau and Burnett. I think by the end of the year our back court will be clearly better and our front court won’t be far off.

The one major advantage they have is size.

Cadeau has outplayed Silas. And he’s new to their system. I get that you’re betting on the Huskies. Elliott was a burger boy, so it’s not like he’s not coming from good stock.

I’d say size and athleticism. Their major advantage is they have a legit rim protector at the 5 and a first team all American at the 3.

 

[KingAG]

Cadeau has outplayed Silas. And he’s new to their system. I get that you’re betting on the Huskies. Elliott was a burger boy, so it’s not like he’s not coming from good stock.

I’d say size and athleticism. Their major advantage is they have a legit rim protector at the 5 and a first team all American at the 3.

By the end of the year I’d take the bet on Silas>Cadeau. Rim protection accounted for, Taris is better. UConn isn’t built like Michigan. They don’t have to be. And in a one off Karaban can and will hold his own against Yaxel.

UConn has advantages. Michigan has advantages. Would be a great game. We won’t see it until the final 4.

 

[noelle]

Michigan's offense is a bit simpler than ours and they play a fast pace so the raw numbers will look better for Cadeau. Silas is shooting like garbage from 3 this season but it is probably going to go up, especially after he gets comfortable with the offense. There's still some uncertainty with that but he has a much tougher job on offense than Cadeau.

 

[prankster]

"Preseason" is pretty much over. Yeah, the cream has risen to the top, so far.

Conference play starts now. Everyone gets tighter and better through conference play. Strengths and weaknesses revealed.

March is the great sorting.

April is where it counts.

 

[RuffRuff]

By the end of the year I’d take the bet on Silas>Cadeau. Rim protection accounted for, Taris is better. UConn isn’t built like Michigan. They don’t have to be. And in a one off Karaban can and will hold his own against Yaxel.

UConn has advantages. Michigan has advantages. Would be a great game. We won’t see it until the final 4.

I don't think AK would defend Yaxel - Yaxel plays the three. Morez Johnson plays the 4. They have 6"9 at both the 3 and the 4. Not sure how Hurley would defend that.

No, they're not built similarly at all. If anything, UM is built a bit more like the 2024 team was.

Again, UM more talented team. If you argue that, you're just a homer. You could argue Uconn has better: depth, coaching and system. Is that enough, only playing could say.

 

[superjohn]

Again, UM more talented team. If you argue that, you're just a homer.

In your opinion.

 

[prankster]

Oh, and:

7&7 is

 

[RuffRuff]

In your opinion.

It's in the opinions of many neutral analysts. One word - Yaxel. He is so far more talented than anyone on Uconn. Mullins yes, but Mullins is a freshmen, currently fouling 2x/minute. I know he'll figure it out. He doesn't have nearly the physicality. Mara is also a first rounder.

Impossible to compare Mara and Reed given they play entirely different types of 5's. I personally prefer the natural rim protector with goliaths at the 3 and 4 to help rebound. There is a reason they are first in the country in KP D by a wide margin. Defense travels and is usually consistent.

Did you happen to see the UM efficiency list per EM versus Uconn? Karaban would have come in about 4th on UM.

 

[BFieldHusky]

It's in the opinions of many neutral analysts. One word - Yaxel. He is so far more talented than anyone on Uconn. Mullins yes, but Mullins is a freshmen, currently fouling 2x/minute. I know he'll figure it out. He doesn't have nearly the physicality. Mara is also a first rounder.

Impossible to compare Mara and Reed given they play entirely different types of 5's. I personally prefer the natural rim protector with goliaths at the 3 and 4 to help rebound. There is a reason they are first in the country in KP D by a wide margin. Defense travels and is usually consistent.

Did you happen to see the UM efficiency list per EM versus Uconn? Karaban would have come in about 4th on UM.

Round and round you go. Through each thread.

In @superjohn opinion and others opinion we are more talented. Lord knows we know your opinion. Let it play out.

 

[KingAG]

I don't think AK would defend Yaxel - Yaxel plays the three. Morez Johnson plays the 4. They have 6"9 at both the 3 and the 4. Not sure how Hurley would defend that.

No, they're not built similarly at all. If anything, UM is built a bit more like the 2024 team was.

Again, UM more talented team. If you argue that, you're just a homer. You could argue Uconn has better: depth, coaching and system. Is that enough, only playing could say.

It has nothing to do with being a homer.

You keep naming one player. No Mullins can’t “guard” Yaxel. But talent wise he’s there. And can cause his own matchup problems. Everywhere else I like our guy. I like our coach. I like our system. I like our shooting. I like our experience. I like our chances in March.

It doesn’t mean we’re a guaranteed win. It doesn’t mean they aren’t clearly playing better right now. It just means this idea that they are this juggernaut far and away better than us is absurd.

Secondly, They are in now way are built like 24. Whose their Newton and Spencer?

 

[noelle]

Darius Adams having a rough freshman year. Danny would have coached him up. Hope it was worth the NIL $$.

he's clearly physically not ready. you can't coach that out of the player. he'd be riding the bench here.

 

[RuffRuff]

It has nothing to do with being a homer.

You keep naming one player. No Mullins can’t “guard” Yaxel. But talent wise he’s there. And can cause his own matchup problems. Everywhere else I like our guy. I like our coach. I like our system. I like our shooting. I like our experience. I like our chances in March.

It doesn’t mean we’re a guaranteed win. It doesn’t mean they aren’t clearly playing better right now. It just means this idea that they are this juggernaut far and away better than us is absurd.

Secondly, They are in now way are built like 24. Whose their Newton and Spencer?

So we are just the best, right?

You think Mullins as a 185lb frosh is as talented as Yaxel? Have you seen Yaxels grading on Evan Maya? Higher than Boozer, higher in the country. He'll be right there for POY with Boozer. Yet Mullins is right there? CMON MAN. The data does matter.

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I'm a Uconn fan as much as anyone here, but sometimes it's hard to take a view seriously.

Must know your take is out of fashion with the rest of the country that is not a Uconn homer.

 

[navery12]

Forget the NCAA Championship, I just locked in my futures bet for Michigan to win the NBA Championship this June

 

[RuffRuff]

It's actually hysterical when the heads of the mafia come out pumping the pom poms when just about every outsider data point is consistently the same.

Being third here is ok yeah know. Still great odds. And I'm one that is in agreement that I think we can beat AZ on an neutral court if healthy. Michigan is another animal from a talent perspective.

 

[navery12]

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It's actually hysterical when the heads of the mafia come out pumping the pom poms when just about every outsider data point is consistently the same.

Being third here is ok yeah know. Still great odds. And I'm one that is in agreement that I think we can beat AZ on an neutral court if healthy. Michigan is another animal from a talent perspective.

Nobody is arguing that Michigan is not the best team right now. The only point people keep making to you is that UConn is also a very good team, and would not be a massive underdog against Michigan like you think. If you stopped trashing every player on UConn people might take your opinions more seriously