Days Decommit from UNC

[doggydaddy]

14 in 2012-13
14 in 2013-14

Now.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Now.

I'll check back tomorrow.

 

[Coler]

I think coaches expect players to honor their commitments, so I think when a coach doesn't then something's very wrong.

 

[Vowelguy]

I think coaches expect players to honor their commitments, so I think when a coach doesn't then something's very wrong.

What commitment wasnt honored?

 

[EricLA]

What commitment wasnt honored?

exactly. People are obviously very much on one side or the other. NO ONE knows what the conversations are/were between the coaches and the players who gave verbals. Huskynan even put a post out there telling people to stop with the criticisms of the coaches since we've not seen a SINGLE comment by any of the players saying they were "forced out", or that their "scholarship offers were pulled".

I'm not saying UNC has done nothing wrong, but before people jump on the bandwagon and talk about how slimy or unethical Sylvia is, they ought to at least wait till some reporter does their job and looks into what's been going on there.

I can see people being disappointed in what these de-verbals seem to mean (people keep talking about decommits but that's not true. They aren't committed until they sign a LOI on national signing day). Obviously I'm not going to change anyone's mind on this issue, but aren't we doing exactly what other fans have done to Geno for years? Convicting Hatchell without a shred of evidence that she's done anything wrong.

As I said, it's very possible she has done something wrong. But it's also possible she has not. Frankly I'm surprised fans on here are willing to make final judgments and assumptions without any real evidence. When I read a comment by a player talking about how horrible Hatchell was, then I'll jump on that particular bandwagon, but not until then.

 

[Coler]

All I'm saying is once you have no more room left, stop recruiting. If UNC had done that, these kids wouldn't feel like they should go elsewhere. And the Days twins committed last year, all that time wasted for them to find a school that would actually want them.

Yeah, we don't know what's being said behind closed doors, but come on it's not that hard to see.

 

[easttexastrash]

Yay!!! I had been anxiously awaiting for everyone to get ANOTHER chance to say the same thing that they've already said multiple times before about this situation.

 

[easttexastrash]

I feel quite certain that the Day sisters will have plenty of schools calling. They have ample time to make official visits and make a sound decision.

 

[doggydaddy]

exactly. People are obviously very much on one side or the other. NO ONE knows what the conversations are/were between the coaches and the players who gave verbals. Huskynan even put a post out there telling people to stop with the criticisms of the coaches since we've not seen a SINGLE comment by any of the players saying they were "forced out", or that their "scholarship offers were pulled".

I'm not saying UNC has done nothing wrong, but before people jump on the bandwagon and talk about how slimy or unethical Sylvia is, they ought to at least wait till some reporter does their job and looks into what's been going on there.

I can see people being disappointed in what these de-verbals seem to mean (people keep talking about decommits but that's not true. They aren't committed until they sign a LOI on national signing day). Obviously I'm not going to change anyone's mind on this issue, but aren't we doing exactly what other fans have done to Geno for years? Convicting Hatchell without a shred of evidence that she's done anything wrong.

As I said, it's very possible she has done something wrong. But it's also possible she has not. Frankly I'm surprised fans on here are willing to make final judgments and assumptions without any real evidence. When I read a comment by a player talking about how horrible Hatchell was, then I'll jump on that particular bandwagon, but not until then.

Well, the ESPN site called it a commitment and then a recinding of the verbal.

Here is an article about Stewart COMMITTING to UConn.
And another.
And another.
And one about Tuck.
And another.

I could go on and on. Committing is the term used when one verbals. Not signs an LOI. And one can decommitt. It's the same as recinding a verbal.

It's clear that Hatchell accepted verbals while she had a roster plus committments that would put her over 15. There can be no arguement about that. Now, did she force anyone out? Well, someone had to leave. What happened behind closed doors? None of us know. But it's clear from the quote from the Day sister after discussing it with her sister and mother that, "there are probably better opportunities out there for us, they felt it was better for them to decommit.

You can wait for some angry quotes. I don't think you will see them. It appears that the players (more than just the Day sisters, I think there were 2 others) are going to take the high road. Personally, I just think it stinks. These kids wanted to go to UNC and under these circumstances, they felt they had to change their plans.

I'm sure these kids are not thrilled to have to go through the recruiting process all over again when they thought they were done and happy with their choices.

 

[doggydaddy]

I feel quite certain that the Day sisters will have plenty of schools calling. They have ample time to make official visits and make a sound decision.

But they thought they were done. They thought they did make a sound decision.

If you don't like the topic, you don't have to read or participate, right?

 

[EricLA]

I could go on and on. Committing is the term used when one verbals. Not signs an LOI. And one can decommitt. It's the same as recinding a verbal.

It's clear that Hatchell accepted verbals while she had a roster plus committments that would put her over 15. There can be no arguement about that. Now, did she force anyone out? Well, someone had to leave. What happened behind closed doors? None of us know. But it's clear from the quote from the Day sister after discussing it with her sister and mother that, "there are probably better opportunities out there for us, they felt it was better for them to decommit.

You can wait for some angry quotes. I don't think you will see them. It appears that the players (more than just the Day sisters, I think there were 2 others) are going to take the high road. Personally, I just think it stinks. These kids wanted to go to UNC and under these circumstances, they felt they had to change their plans.

I'm sure these kids are not thrilled to have to go through the recruiting process all over again when they thought they were done and happy with their choices.

Just because someone calls it a commitment doesn't make it so. It's called a verbal. It becomes a commitment when the player signs the LOI. If it was a binding "commitment" when a player verbaled, then there would be penalties for them when they rescinded. No such thing occurred for Gemelos, EDD, Harper, or any of the other college kids who changed their minds after verbaling. Can you show me the NCAA rules that state that it's a binding commitment when the offer is made or when the player gives their verbal? What are the penalties to the player for breaking that commitment?

If you really are so fired up about it, how about doing some NCAA research. A bunch of articles by reporters talking about verbal "commitments" doesn't mean anything. Anyone can call a verbal whatever they want in an article. Doesn't make it true. Has the NCAA brought charges against UNC? Have they punished UNC with penalties? Have they even been contacted that something "wrong" has happened? Have we read even ONE comment by a former player that they felt even a minutia of wrong doing occurred?

As i said, I certainly don't expect anyone to have their mind change. Obviously you are on the side that feels Hatchell has done something wrong. And maybe she has committed egregious "recruiting sins". But as Nancy said in her post, "Does anyone have any, you know, proof that Hatchell did anything immoral, illegal, unethical or just plain wrong? When we have threads like this that tear down a coach without a shred of substantiation it becomes like that Other Place. I won't have it."

 

[easttexastrash]

But they thought they were done. They thought they did make a sound decision.

If you don't like the topic, you don't have to read or participate, right?

Yep! You figure things out better than I thought.

Sorry girls, it's life...there will be other disappointments. Enjoy the free four year ride that you will be receiving from another great university that you will enjoy and grow to love. Sometimes life's greatest joy come from an unexpected twist in life.

 

[doggydaddy]

Just because someone calls it a commitment doesn't make it so. It's called a verbal. It becomes a commitment when the player signs the LOI.

It's called a verbal commitment. It's used in every case. I have no idea why you felt you had to lecture the board on that.

Verbal commitment


If you really are so fired up about it, how about doing some NCAA research. A bunch of artit bcles by reporters talking about verbal "commitments" doesn't mean anything. Anyone can call a verbal whatever they want in an article. Doesn't make it true. Has the NCAA brought charges against UNC? Have they punished UNC with penalties? Have they even been contacted that something "wrong" has happened? Have we read even ONE comment by a former player that they felt even a minutia of wrong doing occurred?

Here's one.

But to your point, no, there is nothing legally wrong here. A player is free to leave and recind their verbal at any time. And coaches are free to accept more than the 15 player roster limit. But eventually something has to give, either current players transfering (2 did at UNC) or other players decommitting threir verbals as the Day sisters did. I happen to think it stinks. You don't.

As i said, I certainly don't expect anyone to have their mind change. Obviously you are on the side that feels Hatchell has done something wrong. And maybe she has committed egregious "recruiting sins". But as Nancy said in her post, "Does anyone have any, you know, proof that Hatchell did anything immoral, illegal, unethical or just plain wrong? When we have threads like this that tear down a coach without a shred of substantiation it becomes like that Other Place. I won't have it."

I didn't see anyone in this thread to any of what you bolded but I just think what is going on at UNC stinks. And I don't see what is wrong verballizing that.

 

[HuskyNan]

NO SPECULATION

How many times do I have to say it? I don't care who doesn't like the rules, we don't trash peoples' reputation here. Stop this now.