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You could move it to the General side of the BY.
Dawn Staley Award Winner
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Both are 5' 10"People are overlooking the obvious. Sabrina was too tall to win this award. Just look at the past winners
Asia Durr, Kelsey Mitchell, Kelsey Plum,.
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It’s the off-season so rules relax somewhat.
Me, I’m disappointed Crystal wasn’t nominated. I thought Sabrina deserved the award and I thought Crystal deserved to be nominated
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This award is from the Phoenix Club out of Philadelphia - Dawn’s home town. Given that, I would say it is not surprising that it was awarded to one of Dawn’s players. IMO it does diminish how it is viewed going forward. No way Sabrina is not the best pg this year.
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So the analysis is Ty had a good season, but Sabrina had a better one, and since Sabrina will win all the other rewards Ty “deserves” this one. Look, I don’t really care one way or the other, and emotionally I get it, but the logic really doesn’t hold up.
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it does.
that's OK. but kind of sad.
and they certainly know that.
and it's pathetic that they don't care, because they have knowingly stolen some of the prestige of the award, for winners, past and future.
and yeah, of course sabrina ain't gonna be fazed by this absurdity
so now the Dawn Staley Award is just something meaningless we can ignore, or maybe joke about, in the future.
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When Sabrina faces legit teams outside the Pac 12 (Baylor, Louisville, and UConn) most times, she is average at best. When Ty face those type of teams she has her best games because that is when her team truly needs her to step up. Sabrina had a team of experience All Americans that were suppose to run through everyone they played. They finished the season with 2 losses. Ty took a team of Freshmen to #1 ranking with only 1 loss. Somebody once said that stats were for losers. But I will throw this one out. Sabrina also plays 6 to 7 minutes on average more game time than Ty. With all that being said, I am not saying Ty is a better player than Sabrina. I just wanted to show that intangibles may have weighed in to the decision.
One more thing I would like to point out. I think Oregon is a more efficient shooting team than SC. So Ty loses a lot of assist because of easy missed shots. However, SC leads the nation in offensive rebounding and block shots.
I would have love to meet Oregon in the tournament. From what I've seen in the past with our length, size, and speed we would have shut down Sabrina, pound the paint, and get out run. We would be an upgrade over the Louisville team that beat them by 10.
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Isn't shooting percentage considered a "guard skill" anymore? Harris shot 42% from the field. Ionescu shot over 50% from the field. Staley shot 46% from the field during her college career.
I understand the leadership that Harris provided for a young team this year. However, she had a number of brutal shooting games this season that really didn't matter to those games' outcomes because of how good her team was.
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PURE BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We don't have great shooting from our guards. They can be streaky at times both ways. However we have the best offensive rebounding team in the country and we force teams to shoot well below their average. Our best jump shooter and 3 point shooter is our forward (Herbert-Harrigan) who shoots 50% from the field and 44% behind the 3 point line. Ty Harris shoots about 39% from 3 which is good.
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I did a little more research on this award considering now two SC players have got it. It's been given out 8 times. I have them listed below and how the WNBA thought of the player by their draft number.
2012-2013 Skylar Diggins, Notre Dame, Sr, WNBA 3rd overall
2013-2014 Odyssey Sims, Baylor, Sr, WNBA 3rd overall
2014-2015 Tiffany Mitchell, SCarolina, Jr, WNBA, 9th overall
2015-2016 Moriah Jefferson, UConn, Sr, WNBA, 2nd overall
2016-2017 Kelsey Plum, UW, Sr, WNBA, 1st overall
2017-2018 Kelsey Mitchell, OSU, Sr, WNBA 2nd overall
2018-2019 Asia Durr, L'ville, Sr, WNBA 2nd overall
2019-2020 Tyasha Harris, SCarolina, Sr, WNBA ?? (projecte 6-8)
It's hard to argue that the 6 non SC choices weren't the best, but it is easy to argue that they had better choices than the South Carolina player. Tiffany Mitchell was the only jr chosen and she won over unanimous AA Jewell Loyd who was also #1 WNBA pick that year as well as UConn's KML who was #3 WNBA pick that year. Moriah Jefferson won the Lieberman award that year. Tiffany was SEC POY so was a worthy candidate but the other 3 certainly were considered better guards than her by the WNBA. Then when she was drafted the following year (when Moriah won) 4 guards were taken over her: #2 Jefferson, #4 Banham, #7 Copper, and #8 Williams.
I could accept there was no bias with the Mitchell choice since she was at least a first team AA that year. The Harris choice is completely embarrassing considering it's named after her coach and she ranks below Sabrina, Rhyne Howard, Chennedy Carter, Aari McDonald, and Dana Evans who are all more worthy candidates and above her on AA teams. I am sure she will not be the top guard taken this coming WNBA draft. I am truly disappointed our coach of our USA team has her name on an award with such bias.
2012-2013 Skylar Diggins, Notre Dame, Sr, WNBA 3rd overall
2013-2014 Odyssey Sims, Baylor, Sr, WNBA 3rd overall
2014-2015 Tiffany Mitchell, SCarolina, Jr, WNBA, 9th overall
2015-2016 Moriah Jefferson, UConn, Sr, WNBA, 2nd overall
2016-2017 Kelsey Plum, UW, Sr, WNBA, 1st overall
2017-2018 Kelsey Mitchell, OSU, Sr, WNBA 2nd overall
2018-2019 Asia Durr, L'ville, Sr, WNBA 2nd overall
2019-2020 Tyasha Harris, SCarolina, Sr, WNBA ?? (projecte 6-8)
It's hard to argue that the 6 non SC choices weren't the best, but it is easy to argue that they had better choices than the South Carolina player. Tiffany Mitchell was the only jr chosen and she won over unanimous AA Jewell Loyd who was also #1 WNBA pick that year as well as UConn's KML who was #3 WNBA pick that year. Moriah Jefferson won the Lieberman award that year. Tiffany was SEC POY so was a worthy candidate but the other 3 certainly were considered better guards than her by the WNBA. Then when she was drafted the following year (when Moriah won) 4 guards were taken over her: #2 Jefferson, #4 Banham, #7 Copper, and #8 Williams.
I could accept there was no bias with the Mitchell choice since she was at least a first team AA that year. The Harris choice is completely embarrassing considering it's named after her coach and she ranks below Sabrina, Rhyne Howard, Chennedy Carter, Aari McDonald, and Dana Evans who are all more worthy candidates and above her on AA teams. I am sure she will not be the top guard taken this coming WNBA draft. I am truly disappointed our coach of our USA team has her name on an award with such bias.
Was Sabrina the PG for Oregon or the SG?
It's not surprising you get a lot of offensive rebounds if your guards miss a lot of shots.
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Those are facts and opinions. What is BS? Ty had 19 points, 11assist, 0 turnovers against UConn. Sabrina had 9 points, 9 assist, 4 turnover. In the final 4 Sabrina struggled shooting the ball against Didi Richards. Ty had her way with Didi Richards in the Virgin islands. 20 points and 7 assist.
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Point guard
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Graves seems to play two point guards which seems to work. Previous three years it was Sabrina and Maite Cazorla. This year it was Sabrina and Minyon Moore. Sabrina led the team in assists every year.
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Betcha I could do the same with Ty. Again, a unanimous POY and 1st Team AA who is the PG for her team and she loses to a player that did not make the 1st or 2nd team AA. It doesn't wash and disrespects the game. Dawn has to approve the selection and she should have said no to this nomination. Shows that she puts her team above others, both SC selections were not the best PG's in the nation when it was awarded. Guess I got to add another one to ignore.
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We average 47% from the field and our opponents average 33%. The problem is they don't get a lot of offensive rebounds.
And Harris struggled against Maryland, Indiana, and South Dakota, all top-25 teams.
Oregon would be an upgrade over the Indiana team that beat South Carolina by 15!
This award is supposed to go to the "best guard" in D1, not simply the best point guard. I know that Ionescu will win plenty of awards, but I really don't know how voters could objectively select Harris over Ionescu for "best guard" honors based upon their respective performances during the '19-'20 season.
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Dawn had to approve nominations Really?
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You do realize that team success is weighed in these decisions. Tiffany Mitchell has had a better career than 3 of the 4 players you listed. The player from Iowa was college player of the year. I don't think she got drafted in the first round. So to use when a player gets drafted to weigh a collegiate award is silly.
Tiffany Mitchell was coming off a serious injury and her numbers her senior year was not the same as her junior year (the year she won the award). She was projected to go higher before all that. A'ja was the player of the year in the SEC Tiffany's senior year.
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Wow. Tough crowd. SC was a really good team. A few of u sit here and say SC did not deserve the #1 ranking and Harris do not deserve the award . I smell some BS. You might not like Dawn personality but she is a great coach. And Harris is one of the top 3 PG in the nation and deserved the award. I watch a lot of basketball and SC had a great chance on winning it all. This team was locked on defense and had scores.. Period. Yall are MADD.
Transitive property or it is Six Degrees of Separation doesn't work in basketball. I could say Indiana could defeat Oregon because Indiana beat the team ( Louisville) who beat Oregon but it's no guarantee that Indiana would defeat Oregon just because they beat Louisville.
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The voters are in Philadelphia. They probably only saw the big games like me when Ionescu was average at best. Maybe the Pac 12 should make their content more available. IF you go by the numbers, I would have given it to Rhyne Howard since she torched almost every team she played. I think she will be a better pro than Ionescu.
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Ty does. That is why she has a national championship her Freshman year and led her team to 32-1 record. I truly believe she would have got her second one this year.
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You are wrong for that. I didn't even mentioned Arizona State.
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