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Creme's preseason top 25

vowelguy said:
And I ask again: had they lost to Temple, would you even have them in the top 20?
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No & if Temple beat Oregon and then went on to beat Duke (2) and Maryland (3) Temple wouldn't be ranked 13th. The ranking is based on the potential of what they have coming back and Oregon has plenty.
 
I think Baylor at #2 , Ohio St at #3 , Texas at #4 , ND at # 5 is a bit weird on how much creme likes these individual teams. Baylor will probably be very good but idk if they're going to be #2 next year. Ohio St doesn't play enough defense to be top 10 and they won't outscore good defensive teams, Texas was pretty erratic even with 8 McDAA they were kind of the mirror image of Tennessee, some days they were good other days they were bad. Let's see if Karen Aston can mesh all that talent. ND has strong guards and wings but their post play this year is suspect especially if BT isn't 100 % and Erin Boley transferring. Kathryn Westbeld and Kristina Nelson aren't particularly dominant. You could make an argument with SC, ND, and Baylor being ranked is some type of order right behind UCONN. No other team has shown the same kind of consistency of Winning then these three programs. SC has won 4 straight regular season title and 3 straight tourney titles, ND has won All ACC titles since joining and Baylor has won 7 Big 12 titles. On top of that each of them a constant Final Four contenders.
 
Ctpaul0825 said:
17-18 could be our best team ever! I firmly believe that when Geno said "if you are going to get us you better get us this year" he was not kidding. Looking forward to some of the "prettiest basketball" ever to be played.
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I hope you are right but the Jefferson, Stewie, etc. team had one of the most unique blends of offense and particularly defense-hard to emulate. Stewie and Jefferson had the ability to shut anyone down-even the Maya teams did not have these skills.
 
TerpWomenFan said:
You did better than Charlie Creme. tOSU at #3 is a joke but you may have them a little too low. Great job with Louisville. I think people are sleeping on them. I had Duke lower. I'm not convinced of their supporting players and their coach. BTW, Maryland at #17 was correct. They'll be almost like Oregon. Start slow (relative to their schedule) and play better by tournament time. I think they'll get two or three additional players (graduate transfers and maybe the freshman PG who visited this weekend - Lewis)
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I may just have to lower my expectations on tOSU initially so I can be pleasantly surprised later on. haha. I initially had Duke below OSU but flipped them with Tennessee. Lexie Brown is just such a strong player it tipped their scale for me. I think Maryland will still win the Big10 tournament. I'd only see them losing to MSU (Cooks is going to be trouble in the Big10) and OSU during the Big10 season. I wish I could say Maryland wouldn't need Lewis because OSU needs her more, but you guys could use her too. :(
 
vowelguy said:
And I ask again: had they lost to Temple, would you even have them in the top 20?
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They didn't. They beat a very good Temple team, a very good Washington team, a very good Duke team, and a very good- check that- an excellent Maryland team. And every player from that team comes back. And every one of those starters and top subs comes back. And each is at the age when they should be improving. Not a team with fifth-year seniors like Tennessee who are unlikely to do better than they did last year.

And they're bringing in ringers from Europe. Yep, top 10 in my book.
 
Oregon St. missing from his top 25 and not even in his next group considered? I bet they finish the season ranked, and I also think it's a pretty good chance they finish ahead of both Arizona St. and Cal in the conference standings, both of whom he has ranked. I think underestimating OSU because they lost some key players is going to become an annual tradition.
 
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I agree UConn should be ranked #1. I know some maybe saying, but UConn loss to Mississippi State. Technically UConn didn't get beat by Mississippi State, UConn beat themselves, and Mississippi State were the beneficiaries.
 
Geno and staff have shown over the years that it takes more than top recruits to dominate and win it all!
TN still has Holly Warlick and her sub par assistants to try and mold that talented class. She had worlds of talent this year and they never played like a team on offense or defense!
You give Holly and staff this years UCONN team and they lose 8 to 9 games and don't make it past the 2nd round IMO!
This so-called #1 recruiting class will pull a NoCar with DD and the rest of those world-beaters and flee Knoxville before graduation!
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Geno and staff have shown over the years that it takes more than top recruits to dominate and win it all!
TN still has Holly Warlick and her sub par assistants to try and mold that talented class. She had worlds of talent this year and they never played like a team on offense or defense!
You give Holly and staff this years UConn team and they lose 8 to 9 games and don't make it past the 2nd round IMO!
This so-called #1 recruiting class will pull a NoCar with DD and the rest of those world-beaters and flee Knoxville before graduation!
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Diamond should have jumped to the WNBA. With no real improvement in 3 years, why will the 4th be any different? Her desire to help (coach?) the freshmen could lead to more of the same troubles. Apparently, she thinks Holly needs coaching help. How will that play out?
 
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vowelguy said:
Miss St is a difficult guess for next year. They were not an offensive juggernaut. They were a defensive power, and that comes from playing great team defense. They have lost 4 of their top 7, including D specialists like Dillingham. They have some questions to answer.
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Exactly. They also lost Richardson, who's a big guard/forward and a very good defender. They return their big key pieces in William, Vivians and McCowan, but they might actually take a step back defensively.

As good as McCowan is (she had a huge sophomore leap), she still needs more conditioning.. especially now that Okorie will no longer be there to spell her. If their big 3 can come together in a big way then they will still be a top 10 team I think..
 
SCGamecock said:
Exactly. They also lost Richardson, who's a big guard/forward and a very good defender. They return their big key pieces in William, Vivians and McCowan, but they might actually take a step back defensively.

As good as McCowan is (she had a huge sophomore leap), she still needs more conditioning.. especially now that Okorie will no longer be there to spell her. If their big 3 can come together in a big way then they will still be a top 10 team I think..
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I think SC will be better then #6. Losing Davis, Coates, and Gray only mean that Harris, Cuevas-Moore, and Jennings will have to step up. There's no doubt in my mind that they will and with A'js leading them this team will still be a force.
 
CBus13 said:
Oy.

11. Duke - Depending on the adjustment of Jade Williams in the college game, Duke could be higher by the end of the first month. Brown is what makes this team go, but losing Lambert and Primm hurts. Belton was highly ranked in high school, she could be a good piece to help replace what was lost inside

That would be my early top "12". Feel free to poke holes.
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After 3 season ending knee injuries...... Im not expecting Belton to be much of a factor this coming season. I hope Im wrong, but she seems to be snake-bit. Jade Williams needs to be ready to start from day one. Mikalya Boykin needs to be ready from day one. I was hoping she would be able to ease into her transition to college playing behind Lambert......but thats not an option now. Head bang
 
triaddukefan said:
After 3 season ending knee injuries. Im not expecting Belton to be much of a factor this coming season. I hope Im wrong, but she seems to be snake-bit. Jade Williams needs to be ready to start from day one. Mikalya Boykin needs to be ready from day one. I was hoping she would be able to ease into her transition to college playing behind Lambert.but thats not an option now. Head bang
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I was hoping you'd provide insight. I knew Belton played significant minutes her freshmen year but I haven't seen much from her since. Unfortunate for her. She and Kianna Holland seem to have similar luck. Are you expecting (hoping?) those two freshmen will help fill out your starting 5? I was struggling to think of who was going to most likely step in for Oderah Chidom and Lambert.
Brown, Greenwell, Odom, Williams, and Boykin?
 
CBus13 said:
I was hoping you'd provide insight. I knew Belton played significant minutes her freshmen year but I haven't seen much from her since. Unfortunate for her. She and Kianna Holland seem to have similar luck. Are you expecting (hoping?) those two freshmen will help fill out your starting 5? I was struggling to think of who was going to most likely step in for Oderah Chidom and Lambert.
Brown, Greenwell, Odom, Williams, and Boykin?
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The problem with that lineup is their isnt any known scoring punch off of the bench. I was hoping Boykin could provide that. Perhaps Gorecki will start..... but she hasnt played since December of 2015 due to injury. Head bang I think at the start of the season.... Erin Mathias will start.... she started a handful of games this past season.... but I'd much rather see her as the first big off of the bench.

I looked at the team pic from the End of Season Award Ceremony..... and 3 of the PF/C's either were wearing knee braces or were coming off of an ACL Tear (Schubert) Head bang
 
triaddukefan said:
The problem with that lineup is their isnt any known scoring punch off of the bench. I was hoping Boykin could provide that. Perhaps Gorecki will start..... but she hasnt played since December of 2015 due to injury. Head bang I think at the start of the season.... Erin Mathias will start.... she started a handful of games this past season.... but I'd much rather see her as the first big off of the bench.

I looked at the team pic from the End of Season Award Ceremony..... and 3 of the PF/C's either were wearing knee braces or were coming off of an ACL Tear (Schubert) Head bang
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Oy. Looks like you could use an extra month of off-season. I remember seeing Mathias in a few of the games I did see. She moved a lot quicker and smoother than I expected from her.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Oregon St. missing from his top 25 and not even in his next group considered? I bet they finish the season ranked, and I also think it's a pretty good chance they finish ahead of both Arizona St. and Cal in the conference standings, both of whom he has ranked. I think underestimating OSU because they lost some key players is going to become an annual tradition.
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I wouldn't have them top 25 at this point either. They lost in the Sweet 16 this year, they lose their all-American who pretty much carried them to what limited offensive success they had this year, and they lose their best perimeter defender in Hanson. That's a lot to replace and some big shoes to fill.
 
Did anyone notice that this guy cannot even count the fingers on one hand? His article started with, 'For the first time in four years, blah blah blah'. It should be the first time in five years! If he cannot count the fingers, would you trust him to rank the top 25? He will probably lose the track once it reaches 4!
 
hussybulldog said:
Did anyone notice that this guy cannot even count the fingers on one hand? His article started with, 'For the first time in four years, blah blah blah'. It should be the first time in five years! If he cannot count the fingers, would you trust him to rank the top 25? He will probably lose the track once it reaches 4!
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Not technically an inaccurate statement, since apparently we're getting technical here.
 
Bestiarius said:
Diamond should have jumped to the WNBA. With no real improvement in 3 years, why will the 4th be any different? Her desire to help (coach?) the freshmen could lead to more of the same troubles. Apparently, she thinks Holly needs coaching help. How will that play out?
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May be ... she is thinking to take Holly's job next year ...
 
Plebe said:
I wouldn't have them top 25 at this point either. They lost in the Sweet 16 this year, they lose their all-American who pretty much carried them to what limited offensive success they had this year, and they lose their best perimeter defender in Hanson. That's a lot to replace and some big shoes to fill.
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They got too dependent on Wiese at times. Earlier in the season McWilliams, Tudor and Pivec all showed the ability to shoot from deep and score. Good length among that group for perimeter players and I think 2 of them can play PG. They have a Fr. PG coming in, and Kalmer was probably the best of the returning players attacking off the dribble, she just didn't get a lot of minutes. Gulic and Brown are solid at the 4 and 5. Need someone to replace Orum as the first big off the bench, but I think incoming Fr. Corosdale has a bunch of potential. I can see why people are casually writing them off, but I think they are going to surprise people. Again. Honestly Weisner was a better overall player than Wiese and they survived losing her. They lost Weisner, Hamblin and Hunter from the Final 4 team and hardly missed a beat the next season.
 
nwhoopfan- I agree on your assessment of Oregon St. They were too dependent on Wiese throughout the year. The problem was that in the last four games ( beginning with their Conf. play off loss to Stanford ) Wiese got into a shooting slump. She couldn't buy a basket and that was one of the reasons they didn't advance. I never cared too much for teams that rely to much on a few players for that very reason. I also don't care for teams who's point is a volume shooter for that same reason. They tend to shoot even when they are cold since they have the ball in their hands all the time. They could have still won that game against FS despite Wiese's slump but the coach didn't make the necessary adjustments on either offense or defense. Rueck is a good coach but he let that game get ,away from him. FS , who were much quicker, were getting most of their points via drives and short pull ups from within the key, yet he continued to play a pressure man to man. The FS guards just used their quickness to consistently blow right around the taller OS defenders.
 
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With all of the talent that the top teams have lost through graduation, transfer and injury, it's really a crapshoot after UConn at # 1. I don't think SC and MS St will be better next season, but I expect them to hang around as top 5 teams because of Wilson at SC and the 3 returning starters at MS St. Aside from that there are just too many question marks for Baylor, tOSU, ND, TX, Duke, TN (HW), Louisville & Stanford. Oregon & UCLA look like they can make legitimate moves into the top ten next season, but we'll have to see.

Frankly, as a Husky fan, I'm feeling really, really, really good about how next season is setting up.
 
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