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So is giving preference to the higher seeded team just a convenient tie-breaker or is it also viewed as a reward to the higher seeded team? Either way, I hope that part of the rule (or guideline or whatever it is) is scratched this year.

It is viewed a a reward.

In 2006, our friends in Knoxville, viewed by many as the #5 team, got to face #1 UNC in Ohio because the location was closer to TN fans. (As the committee chair explained.)

Meanwhile, #4 Ohio St (whom the Vols thought they would face) got sent out west, and promptly lost in the 2nd round. Setting the stage for that region's #2 seed to advance.

That #2 seed was Maryland.
 

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Hosting "travesties" are caused by those unwilling to host.

I've said this before and I'll say it again -- hosting is a financial risk, not to mention a physical and logistical burden to the host.

As for the "weak west" and not deserving a hosting -- I'm not sure how the heck anyone predicts anything a year and half or so in advance. Would you have yanked/nixed Gonzaga's host-ship? How foolish after they did a bang up job and had a huge turnout?

I'm guessing time zones play into the TV coverage/map.

I also wonder how important it is for other folks to see teams they don't usually see BECAUSE of geography? How else are you going to build the game?
 

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Hosting "travesties" are caused by those unwilling to host.

I've said this before and I'll say it again -- hosting is a financial risk, not to mention a physical and logistical burden to the host.

As for the "weak west" and not deserving a hosting -- I'm not sure how the heck anyone predicts anything a year and half or so in advance. Would you have yanked/nixed Gonzaga's host-ship? How foolish after they did a bang up job and had a huge turnout?

I'm guessing time zones play into the TV coverage/map.

I also wonder how important it is for other folks to see teams they don't usually see BECAUSE of geography? How else are you going to build the game?
I am not saying the weakish west doesn't deserve a regional site, but so does the very strong Atlantic coast and the very strong South. In a year when they were going to place not two but three regionals in the central section of the country to then give the weakish west the only non-central regional seems a bit silly. Ideally you would like to see a regional within 300 miles of say Philadelphia, 300 miles of Atlanta, 500 miles of Lincoln, and 500 miles of San Fran or Los Angeles.
As for the building of the game - not sure the geographic dispersement of teams is that important in the NCAAs - much easier to do that with regular season schedules - something most of the top teams have done very well over the years.
 
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Duke just lost to North Carolina, so that changes the brackets. Top four: UConn, Notre Dame, South Carolina, and a reluctant vote for Stanford who lost a game they never should have lost.
 

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With truly no knowledge (or interest) in the methodology of bracketology a query:

Would it improve our chances for a reasonable placement if we really destroyed Louisville on the next two occasions?
Or would it guarantee that we would be placed in the Yum, Yum palace?
 

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Bring 'em on... We ain't afraid of anything...

It doesn't matter who we face or when... We are better...

I hope it is structured that we meet ND in the finals... Two undefeated teams dominating play this year... A fight to the end...

It will be exciting but we will Kick A*** .

They are all going DOWN...

Cut down the nets... Number 9 coming up...
 
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With truly no knowledge (or interest) in the methodology of bracketology a query:

Would it improve our chances for a reasonable placement if we really destroyed Louisville on the next two occasions?
Or would it guarantee that we would be placed in the Yum, Yum palace?


As Charlie Crème pointed out, if UConn doesn't want to get sent to Louisville, then losing to Louisville would help, because that would help ensure that Louisville is a 1 seed, UConn would still be a one seed, so would have to go elsewhere.
And as I pointed out some time ago, if Louisville doesn't want to face UConn, they should lose to UConn and lose a couple others. If they are dropped to a three seed or worse, Selection Committee Principles and Procedures prohibit conference teams from potentially facing each other prior to the final (with an exception which doesn't apply).
 

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In fact (just being silly for a moment) if you take it to the logical conclusion, ignoring the fact that both Geno and Jeff want to win, what if they both decided they didn't want to face each other in the regional, both reached the conclusion that the best way to avoid that is a loss, and both instructed their players not to attempt a shot. First zero-zero result in basketball history.
 
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I thought it was more the desire to have teams play close to home, making it easier for their fans to go the games.

Creme is very much a letter of the law guy. A couple of years ago, Texas A&M was sent to NC and not Iowa for a regional and Creme was indignant. I said: "Given that it's a several-hour plane ride to both, I'd say the spirit of the rule was not violated." His response: "The rule says distance only. The committee ignored its own rules." Harsh, imho.
Maybe "distance" should be measured travel time. Maybe "distance" should be measured using intervals of time or miles rather than points. Maybe two or more destinations where flight times or miles are within say, I don't know, +/-10% of each other should be considered the same "distance" and match ups should be determined by the S-curve.
 
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Selection Committee Principles and Procedures prohibit conference teams from potentially facing each other prior to the final

Really? Since when? The previous women's rule was that the committee would "try" to avoid teams meeting in the regional semis.
 
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IMO UConn should go to Nebraska. One it would be great for WCBB and attract a lot of casual fans. Second they've earned the position to not face a top ranked team on their own floor. Its UConn and everybody else so let everybody else fight it out to see who will face UConn in the FF.

no, it's uconn and nd, and everybody else.
 

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Really? Since when? The previous women's rule was that the committee would "try" to avoid teams meeting in the regional semis.
As you know, there are some "if possibles" as well as some absolute rules. I sometimes misremember which is which.

However, this one sounds absolute:

Conference teams shall not meet prior to the regional

final

Unless a ninth team is selected from a conference.
 
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Maybe "distance" should be measured travel time. Maybe "distance" should be measured using intervals of time or miles rather than points. Maybe two or more destinations where flight times or miles are within say, I don't know, +/-10% of each other should be considered the same "distance" and match ups should be determined by the S-curve.

The rule says
most geographically compatible

which I think gives them the ability to consider time. It may or may not give them the flexibility to allow minor difference to be ignored. I fully support the intervals approach, in fact I sent a letter to Carolayne Henry(chari of sleciton scommittee) last week proposing such a measure, which would give them a little more flexibilitythan they have now. Charlie Creme told me I was too late, but I'm not sure he fully followed my email to him.
 
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As you know, there are some "if possibles" as well as some absolute rules. I sometiems misremeber which is which.

However, this one soudns absolute:

Conference teams shall not meet prior to the regional

final

Unless a ninth team is selected from a conference.

Ok thanks. Gonna be tricky with the number of quality ACC teams.
Getting to be kind of a silly rule given how big conferences have become. Is it really a big deal to face a "conference" foe that you only play 1x a year? I would amend the rule to "Teams who played >1 time that year can't meet before the regional final."
 

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Ok thanks. Gonna be tricky with the number of quality ACC teams.
Getting to be kind of a silly rule given how big conferences have become. Is it really a big deal to face a "conference" foe that you only play 1x a year? I would amend the rule to "Teams who played >1 time that year can't meet before the regional final."

That's an intriguing proposal.

The old BE did have 9 teams one year, IIRC. Creme projects 8 ACC this year, but next year, it could easily be 9 or maybe even 10.
 
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Not much, but Louisville even dropped in Sagarin, falling from 6th to 7th.
When employing a ranking measurement, movement isn't strictly a function of one team. If Louisville moved from 6th to 7th, another team had to move to 6th. Perhaps it was the performance of the other team that affected the rearrangement more than anything Louisville did.
 

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When employing a ranking measurement, movement isn't strictly a function of one team. If Louisville moved from 6th to 7th, another team had to move to 6th. Perhaps it was the performance of the other team that affected the rearrangement more than anything Louisville did.

Exactly. As I noted upthread, it was more the movement of MD up than Louisville down.
 
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Exactly. As I noted upthread, it was more the movement of MD up than Louisville down.
Which I read not two minutes after I posted. I swear! You are indeed a wise man.
 

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no, it's uconn and nd, and everybody else.

ND beat MD by only 4 points. It's still UCONN and everybody else. To put ND on the same level as UCONN just simply isn't a good assessment, unless UCONN can't get healthy.
 

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The rule says
most geographically compatible

which I think gives them the ability to consider time. It may or may not give them the flexibility to allow minor difference to be ignored. I fully support the intervals approach, in fact I sent a letter to Carolayne Henry(chari of sleciton scommittee) last week proposing such a measure, which would give them a little more flexibilitythan they have now. Charlie Creme told me I was too late, but I'm not sure he fully followed my email to him.

Which #1 seed that is not hosting will be most geographically compatible with Lincoln, Nebraska? I can't wait for that explanation.
 

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Which #1 seed that is not hosting will be most geographically compatible with Lincoln, Nebraska? I can't wait for that explanation.

Baylor. Louisville will lose two more times to UCONN and will end up a 2 seed, which will end up sending UCONN to play Louisville on their home court.
 

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Baylor. Louisville will lose two more times to UCONN and will end up a 2 seed, which will end up sending UCONN to play Louisville on their home court.

That would make the committee's job easier.
 

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Ok thanks. Gonna be tricky with the number of quality ACC teams.
Getting to be kind of a silly rule given how big conferences have become. Is it really a big deal to face a "conference" foe that you only play 1x a year? I would amend the rule to "Teams who played >1 time that year can't meet before the regional final."
It has never been that difficult to arrange to separate 8 teams into four regionals and make sure the teams are on different sides of the regional draws - By the time you get past the first 4 or 5 teams you are getting pretty low in the seeding and no one really questions dropping/raising a 6 seed one level or shipping them across the country to avoid it.
What people generally complain about more is putting a conferences best two teams into the same regional as a 1 and 2 seed which is quite likely to happen based on the geography rule - Uconn/Rutgers, Baylor/A&M, and I believe Uconn/ND and probably some others as well in instances where they had already played 2 or 3 times.
 
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Baylor. Louisville will lose two more times to UCONN and will end up a 2 seed, which will end up sending UCONN to play Louisville on their home court.

Oh yeah and Baylor is a lock to win every game huh?

Didn't they lose to Kansas?

If Louisville loses by 10 to UConn it's more impressive than anyone Baylor has defeated this year.
 
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So Charlie Creme has #5 Stanford and #8 Tennessee as the 1-2 seeds in the West.

That makes sense. If your constructing the weakest bracket imaginable.

Duke with 3 blowout losses on their home court gets the privilege of a neutral court, while UConn goes to play the #3 team in the country on their home court for a 4th time in 7 weeks.

Hooray Women's Basketball!
 
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