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Creighton vs SC

Creighton did not make it to the elite 8 by not having a chance .. if they get hot on offense and South Carolina does what they do on offense yes they have a chance .. why do folks act like SC is unbeatable? They were beat by a very average Kentucky team .. South Carolina is a very good team but by no means unbeatable
 
oldhuskie said:
Isn't it ironic that the team with the easiest path to the Final Four in the beginning, just got an even easier one by sheer luck. Of course South Carolina earned not just a number one seed, but the overall highest number one seed, but potentially getting to Minneapolis without having to face 2,3, or 4 in your region is fortunate indeed.

By contrast on the other side of the bracket it went more to schedule and the number 1 and 2 seeds are matched up in the finals for their regions. I will have to check out the betting odds but I suspect SC's chances are improving quite a bit.
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a seed is just a body of work, it doesn't mean that they were a top 8 or top 12 team. For people that watched North Carolina please tell me that was not a top 12 team. That team is going places with their coach who also did a phenomenal job at Princeton. Miami who had just upset Louisville which is a 1 seed was a team under the radar. SC had their toughest tests in rd of 32 and sweet 16. Louisville imo has had an easy path, they had Gonzaga, a banged up Tenn, and now a Michigan team that barely escaped South Dakota and avoided Baylor.
 
iri10 said:
They have the Louisville vs. Griner Baylor chance...which is to say, very little chance at all. I think Louisville would have lost that game 18 or 19 times out of 20.

And like the Louisville/Baylor game, as others have mentioned, shooting 3s out of their mind while being well guarded is the only chance they have. In addition they will need to get at least some rebounds.

I don't think Creighton is as good as that Louisville team was, and this South Carolina seems to be at least as good if not better on defense than Baylor was. On the flip side, this South Carolina team doesn't seem as good at offense as that Baylor team.
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Correct..beside Griner they also had Odyssey Sims..probably the best point guard in the nation
 
Creighton plays their game they have a chance. Hit their outside shots and pack it in . This should be a low scoring game. I expect Creighton to keep it in the 50's low 60's. Creighton is a very good team that executes their game plan
 
I think that if the referees call a tight game then that would help Creighton.
 
GoCardinal said:
I doubt South Carolina has seen a team that shoots the 3 as much as Creighton. Against really good perimeter shooting teams, South Carolina seemed to struggle a bit defending the 3pt line. Missouri and Stanford both went 7-15 from 3 against them. If Creighton can find a way to muck the game up inside like Missouri did with smaller players AND hit the 3, there’s a chance.
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You picked 2 games out of 30 plus to draw that conclusion? Stanford hit 6 out of 11 in the first half. Half of the shots there was nothing you could do about it. The second half Stanford got shut down completely. Stanford went 1 for 4 because SC started running you off the line and ramping up the defense. The Missouri game was just a bad game all around. If we have one of those games, we could lose to Creighton. The fact is if you pull up all the stats amongst the major conferences, SC has the #1 ranked 3-point defense across the board. The only schools ahead of SC are small schools. That being said, Creighton will be a challenge from that standpoint.
 
browns said:
Does Creighton have any shot against mighty SC today. The easy answer is no way SC by 25..However they are very well coached and run a nice offense If they can take a page from Mizzo and pack in the paint and make Henderson and Cooke beat them and run their motion offense like they did against Iowa and use up a lot of the clock then somehow hit a high percentage of their 3's then they could pull it off...that's a lot of if's but as they say "that's why they play the game"
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I think it’s unlikely that SC wins by 25. Creighton’s style and tempo suggest a much closer game, perhaps 12-13, unless Creighton can continue to make shots from the perimeter. If they do, the game could be very close. A really good shooting performance might even produce the upset.
 
Unless S.Carolina’s guards step up, they are most definitely vulnerable. And I just don’t see that against a harassing defense. Still, substantial favorites but surely vulnerable.
 
browns said:
Does Creighton have any shot against mighty SC today. The easy answer is no way SC by 25..However they are very well coached and run a nice offense If they can take a page from Mizzo and pack in the paint and make Henderson and Cooke beat them and run their motion offense like they did against Iowa and use up a lot of the clock then somehow hit a high percentage of their 3's then they could pull it off...that's a lot of if's but as they say "that's why they play the game"
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They have a chance only because they are in the game. No one ( particularly UCONN fans ) is not shocked that they made it to the elite 8. Certainly, they did not show that level of talent our games with them. Or was it that game where CD's last minute drive to basket won the game for us? We had no chance when we played SC, although that was light years ago. But I am in the camp that says " reality will bite today." Creighton will realize how far from the very top they are, despite a record-setting season. South Carolina will never trail and the game will be over early.
 
No. Even if they shot 3's at a 55% clip they will still lose. They will get out rebounded by 20 rebounds and they can't stop Boston. They don't have a prayer of stopping Boston even if they double her all night. They matched up well against Iowa State...etc. Those days are now over.
 
I said in a previous thread that’s I’m hoping for a some 2013 Louisville-Baylor magic for Creighton. If they are going to let SC play bully ball, Creighton needs to bring the same energy Louisville did in that 2013 game
 
darkstar1 said:
Unless S.Carolina’s guards step up, they are most definitely vulnerable. And I just don’t see that against a harassing defense. Still, substantial favorites but surely vulnerable.
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A defense that was ranked 184th in Scoring Defense, 257th in FG % Defense, and 300th in 3-pt. FG % Defense coming into tonight's game? After playing the 32nd ranked NET, the 36th ranked RPI, and 55th ranked SOS schedule this season?

UNC was supposed to have a decent defense. They held South Carolina to a full 2 pts below their season average. With SC shooting 33%.

Missouri was out-rebounded by 10 rebounds by South Carolina, 47 to 37. They had 6-4 Ladazhia Williams and 6-1 Hayley Frank as starters, and rotated 6-1 Kiya Dorroh and 6-1 Sara-Rose Smith into the game. Creighton starts 6-1 Emma Ronsiek and 6-0 Carly Bachelor, with 6-1 Morgan Maly and 6-0 Mallory Brake as their tallest reserves. Missouri was taller than Creighton will be, even without Aijha Blackwell playing.

South Carolina took 18 more shot attempts than Missouri did, and made 4 more completions. Missouri had a 43.1% completion rate to the Gamecocks' 38.2 %. Most of the Gamecock's misses were from the 3-pt. line, where they were 6-21. Missouri was 7-15 from the arc. But that 1 extra point for the Tigers against 8 extra points for the Gamecocks in additional FG completions did not win them the game. It was the 8 extra free throw points they got by going 13-16 at the charity stripe, compared to South Carolina going 5-9. South Carolina was called for 15 fouls compared to Missouri being called for just 11 fouls. 8 pts minus 7 pts leaves 1 point in favor of Missouri, and they won 70-69.

Now, will South Carolina be called for the majority of fouls in tonight's game? Will the decided size mismatch in the paint towards the Gamecock's appear too bully-ball for the officiating? Will Creighton's players suddenly find themselves being whipped and lashed about on the court as if by a EF5 tornado? The Gamecocks bigs will have to be wary of this phenomenon. They can't get into early foul trouble, and nullify that clear advantage.

But regardless of how poor South Carolina's offense is, it appears that the Bluejays' own defensive liabilities may assist the Gamecocks in this area. And the Gamecocks come into the game #2 in Rebounding per Game and #1 in Rebounding Margin, while Creighton is ranked 190th and 85th respectively. The Bluejays will NEED to have a strong offensive efficiency outing against a very tough defense - perhaps not as harassing as Creighton's - but still a proven defense (3rd in Scoring Defense, 1st in FG % Defense, 18th in 3-Pt. FG % Defense). I think odds are more stacked up against Creighton than they appear to be against South Carolina - their strength goes up against strength, while the Gamecock's weakness goes up against a greater weakness....
 
caliwbb said:
SC played SD early in the year.
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I still don’t think South Dakota’s offense is exactly like Creighton’s. Sjerven plays a pretty significant role in SD’s offense attack, Creighton doesn’t necessarily play through a post from what I’ve seen.
 
shiverz45 said:
You picked 2 games out of 30 plus to draw that conclusion? Stanford hit 6 out of 11 in the first half. Half of the shots there was nothing you could do about it. The second half Stanford got shut down completely. Stanford went 1 for 4 because SC started running you off the line and ramping up the defense. The Missouri game was just a bad game all around. If we have one of those games, we could lose to Creighton. The fact is if you pull up all the stats amongst the major conferences, SC has the #1 ranked 3-point defense across the board. The only schools ahead of SC are small schools. That being said, Creighton will be a challenge from that standpoint.
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Yes, because out of those 30 how many of those games were against prolific shooting teams? Surely, you aren’t insinuating SC guards the 3 well because they held other poor shooting SEC teams to sub 20% from 3. Whether Stanford was “shut down” from 3 or not, there still is evidence that SC struggled guarding it lol. Stanford’s offense is also different from Creighton’s. Whether Missouri was a bad game all around or not, it still adds to the point that SC had problems defending against a 4 to 5 out offense.

Do I think Creighton will win? Probably not, because they don’t have the size and refs are blind to Boston’s fouls. But their style has proven to give SC issues in the past.
 
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Has Creighton tried a zone defense; I have not seen the whole game? I would try a box and one, also. Not a fan of doubling or triple teaming Boston. Better to pressure the guards on the perimeter. I mean, it is a difficult task, because SC is just better at every position. The idea of packing the lane and let others beat you, will not work, because there is a misconception that SC players can't shoot from outside. Not true, especially when they are open.'

All in my amateurish opinion.
 
Well....Creighton is down 30 with 8:13 left. Their ship has been taking on water since the first quarter. The clock has struct midnight for Cinderella. That game is over. :( Creighton was never in that game.
 
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Ferrarifan said:
1. Do the refs call SC for fouls?
2. Can we score against a SC defense that is allowed to "play"?

No and no.
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Refs: We do give SC total 10 fouls even all 5 starters only have 4 fouls. What you want us to do better?
 
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Lilliputians not given a chance by the officials when they were already at a big disadvantage in the land of the giants?

SC wanted to send a message? Doesn't work that way.....different matchups and now a different UConn team.
 
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