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KingAG said:
I’m dumbfounded. His ft shooting hasn’t been consistent. That’s true. But his rebounding has been consistent all year. The numbers back it up. Last game he got crap for doing exactly what you’re asking(passing out of double teams).

His averages and advanced metrics make it impossible for him to be as inconsistent as yall are painting him to be. He’s been consistently good all year. Just say yall wanted a player of the year candidate. He doesn’t have to be that to be what we need.

His defensive presence and his interior presence along side Silas is why are defense is where it is. Are defensive efficiency improves dramatically when he plays. Did you forget what our rebounding looked like when he was out? Add all of that to the fact we haven’t lost a game he’s played in this season, Lmao. He’s the new punching bag.
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Everyone goes by the "eye test," which means something different to different people, and they take cues from things like body language, which could be meaningful or not. The numbers show he's been everything we'd want him to be.

I said this before the start of the year, when a certain briefs writer was talking him up as a lottery pick. That was just a prelude to knocking him when it turned out he's not that -- which is exactly how it's played out.
 
Inyatkin said:
Everyone goes by the "eye test," which means something different to different people, and they take cues from things like body language, which could be meaningful or not. The numbers show he's been everything we'd want him to be.

I said this before the start of the year, when a certain briefs writer was talking him up as a lottery pick. That was just a prelude to knocking him when it turned out he's not that -- which is exactly how it's played out.
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I think there are plenty of fans that think he could do much more with his physical talents. He has dominant size and athletecism, simply doesn't have the motor, consistency or focus to really use it to what many feel like is his potential. We've seen glimpses of it. When you're given a 6'11" 265lb body made of granite with light feet and good hands, agility, a fan wants more.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Tarris’s problem is that he loves to keep the ball low and go under and up with his shots. Adama kept the ball high and had that hook that was deadly. That’s how Tarris ends up with ugly attempts and turnovers
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And yet he scores more efficiently than Adama did and has the same turnover rate as him.
 
RuffRuff said:
I think there are plenty of fans that think he could do much more with his physical talents. He has dominant size and athletecism, simply doesn't have the motor, consistency or focus to really use it to what many feel like is his potential. We've seen glimpses of it. When you're given a 6'11" 265lb body made of granite with light feet and good hands, agility, a fan wants more.
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You spent all last year bemoaning the fact that Reed wasn't starting over Samson Johnson, a player you now acknowledge actually did have something to offer, a reason to play him other than some weird loyalty thing from Hurley

So you'll forgive me if I don't want to hear more of your deep sighs about a center who has let you down.
 
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Inyatkin said:
You spent all last year bemoaning the fact that Reed wasn't starting over Samson Johnson, a player you now acknowledge actually did have something to offer, a reason to play him other than some weird loyalty thing from Hurley

So you'll forgive me if I don't want to hear more of your deep sighs about a center who has let you down.
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@PC last year is what I've been hoping from Tarris, more often. He was dominant and had urgency. Samson was a really nice change of pace, rim runner. It was hard to have a starting 5 that couldn't rebound - I think you could acknowledge that. Tarris has all the makings of a dominant 5, if he wanted to be.
 
superjohn said:
And yet he scores more efficiently than Adama did and has the same turnover rate as him.
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Still something I wish he could clean up. Yes to this point in a down year for the conference, he has made one more basket per 50 attempts than did Adama in ‘23. Let’s not forget Adama also took 52 3s

In the tournament Adama was 67.5% from the field and 77% from the line
 
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Rocktheworld said:
Still something I wish he could clean up. Yes to this point in a down year for the conference, he has made one more basket per 50 attempts than did Adama in ‘23. Let’s not forget Adama also took 52 3s

In the tournament Adama was 67.5% from the field and 77% from the line
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Adama went from inefficient on two pointers to incredibly efficient in his final season shooting .637% from two. Tarris has always been incredibly efficient from two as a UConn player and he's shooting .645% from two this season.

It's fair to get on Tarris for his terrible ft shooting but getting on him for ugly attempts and turnovers is silly. He leads the conference in field goal %.
 
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RuffRuff said:
@PC last year is what I've been hoping from Tarris, more often. He was dominant and had urgency. Samson was a really nice change of pace, rim runner. It was hard to have a starting 5 that couldn't rebound - I think you could acknowledge that. Tarris has all the makings of a dominant 5, if he wanted to be.
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PC had no real center is why
 
RuffRuff said:
Now look up and down this years BE, Ben Gold? Isaac Traudt?
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Issac Traudt isn't their starting center. Green is and he's actually pretty good, he just shouldnt be playing center. I'd take him as a AK replacement next year with Pierce.

Ben Gold sucks. But Taris did drop 13-10-3 on him in 22 minutes.
 
KingAG said:
Issac Traudt isn't their starting center. Green is and he's actually pretty good, he just shouldnt be playing center. I'd take him as a AK replacement next year with Pierce.

Ben Gold sucks. But Taris did drop 13-10-3 on him in 22 minutes.
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Green is a forward.

Look at BE centers outside of the top 3 teams. It could be the worst collection of centers the BE has ever seen. Does Butler even have a center? DePaul? These teams have PF at center, 6'8" type centers. Tarris should be crushing this conference.
 
RuffRuff said:
Green is a forward.

Look at BE centers outside of the top 3 teams. It could be the worst collection of centers the BE has ever seen. Does Butler even have a center? DePaul? These teams have PF at center, 6'8" type centers. Tarris should be crushing this conference.
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Question, do you think its a flaw of the guys around him that a guy shooting 64% from the field is only getting 9 fg attempts a game? Is a small percentage of this on Taris? Sure. He doesn't always do the best job establishing position. But I think this team lacks guys who can make proper entry pass outside of Alex and Silas. Adama had Alex, Tristen and Ajax in one starting lineup. Donovan had Tristen, Cam, Alex, and Steph. The former is really 2 PG's with AJax being a point forward, and the latter is literally 3 NBA level pgs. Taris doesn't have that luxury. 2/5 of his starting line up (solo, and Braylon) are looking for their shot 80% of the time. I think its no mistake when Stewie shares the floor with Taris instead of Solo and Braylon he gets more looks. Big men can't get themselves the ball the way guards do. If were going to have a fair and honest discussion we have to place a big part of the blame on the teammates not giving him the ball enough. If you want him to score more tell his teammates to give him the ball. His 64% shows he will convert
 
KingAG said:
Question, do you think its a flaw of the guys around him that a guy shooting 64% from the field is only getting 9 fg attempts a game? Is a small percentage of this on Taris? Sure. But I think this team lacks guys who can make proper entry pass outside of Alex and Silas. I think its no mistake when Stewie shares the floor with Taris instead of Solo and Braylon he gets more looks. Big men can get themselves the ball the way guards do. If were going to have a fair and honest discussion we have to place a big part of the blame on the teammates not giving him the ball enough.
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Watch Tarris post and seal - it's not just about the guards. A guy in the post has to find ways to post with intention, so the guards have chemistry with him. I've seen them look him off too many times because they didn't see him as a clean target.

Tarris has been "fine". You say he's firing on all cylinders based on his stat line, which is where you lose cred. Guy should be 18/10 and first team All BE slam dunk based on weakness of league, his team and physical advantages.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Watch Tarris post and seal - it's not just about the guards. A guy in the post has to find ways to post with intention, so the guards have chemistry with him. I've seen them look him off too many times because they didn't see him as a clean target.

Tarris has been "fine". You say he's firing on all cylinders based on his stat line, which is where you lose cred. Guy should be 18/10 and first team All BE slam dunk based on weakness of league, his team and physical advantages.
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Taris has been fine. I don't think I've ever used the term "firing on all cylinders". Its not just his stat line, its his advanced metrics. You continue to ignore the defensive side of the ball. I wont. It was never going to be a slam dunk, Zuby plays his same position. And in the preseason you projected him to be better than Taris, I remember.

Finally, you lose all credibility when you ignore everything I just said, which is fact, and solely blame it on Taris. Have you seen Solo, Braylon, Ross and Malachi try to give Reed an entry pass? Theyre terrible at it. It doesn't absolve Reed from any blame. But it plays a big part.

And there lies the difference between me and you. I can have an objective conversation on Reed. You can't. You labeled him soft for missing time due to a quad injury. You've never been objective about him. For whatever reason. You rely on numbers and metrics for everyone of your other opinions. When it comes to Taris, they suddenly don't matter. You're a sleepers media fan. It all makes sense. Taris isn't a perfect player. I've never claimed him to be. But you can literally use the "they can be better" for every player in the country. Because I have not seen on perfect player on any team this year.

So lets settle on some facts. Taris is top 5 in defensive efficiency in the country. Taris is top 10 in fg percentage in the country. And top 10 in both PER and defensive plus minus. UConn's defensive and offensive efficiency rise drastically when he's on the court. Taris will be at minimum 2nd team all BE, him and Zuby have very similar numbers, with Zuby playing about 10 more minutes a game. UConn has not lost a game this season when Taris has played. UConn has the number one 5 man unit in the country, this unit includes Taris. Taris would be the first UConn big man to average at least 14, 8, 2 blocks and a steal a game since Emeka Okafor. Not sure if you know, but that guy was pretty good.

Oh yeah and he wasn't healthy for the first half of the season, and may still not be.

Now again, tell me how underwhelming he's been. Its a joke.
 
KingAG said:
Taris has been fine. I don't think I've ever used the term "firing on all cylinders". Its not just his stat line, its his advanced metrics. You continue to ignore the defensive side of the ball. I wont. It was never going to be a slam dunk, Zuby plays his same position. And in the preseason you projected him to be better than Taris, I remember.

Finally, you lose all credibility when you ignore everything I just said, which is fact, and solely blame it on Taris. Have you seen Solo, Braylon, Ross and Malachi try to give Reed an entry pass? Theyre terrible at it. It doesn't absolve Reed from any blame. But it plays a big part.

And there lies the difference between me and you. I can have an objective conversation on Reed. You can't. You labeled him soft for missing time due to a quad injury. You've never been objective about him. For whatever reason. You rely on numbers and metrics for everyone of your other opinions. When it comes to Taris, they suddenly don't matter. You're a sleepers media fan. It all makes sense. Taris isn't a perfect player. I've never claimed him to be. But you can literally use the "they can be better" for every player in the country. Because I have not seen on perfect player on any team this year.

So lets settle on some facts. Taris is top 5 in defensive efficiency in the country. Taris is top 10 in fg percentage in the country. UConn's defensive and offensive efficiency rise drastically when he's on the court. Taris will be at minimum 2nd team all BE, him and Zuby have very similar numbers, with Zuby playing about 10 more minutes a game. UConn has not lost a game this season when Taris has played. UConn has the number one 5 man unit in the country, this unit includes Taris. Taris would be the first UConn big man to average at least 14, 8, 2 blocks and a steal a game since Emeka Okafor. Not sure if you know, but that guy was pretty good.

Oh yeah and he wasn't healthy for the first half of the season, and may still not be.

Now again, tell me how underwhelming he's been. Its a joke.
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No, I projected Tarris to be better than Zubi. I've had high expectations that he would show out given the starter role this year. All we have is Maya at this point if we want data, Zubi is ranked 9 spots ahead. All I'm saying is that if Tarris put in 80% of the effort of Zubi, he's be an AA. He has all the physical tools. Whether he is hurt or not, who knows. Maybe he is and he heals up and that makes a difference. I'll eat crow happily.

Are you using that random tweet with bad data to substantiate them being the best 5 man? The one that has Virginia Tech two. Look again.
 
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