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This year's team is starting to resemble 2016-2018 when it comes to finishing at the rim.

And that's not a compliment.
 
Dan Hurley had been so good at recruiting and identifying portal guys that I thought he was damn near automatic at it. Especially the portal - RJ, Tyrese, Nahiem, Joey C, Tristen, Cam... seemed he couldn't miss and kept getting better.

21-22 was a good team. 22-23 was a great team. 23-24 was about as close to a perfect team that there's been this century.

Now I'm wondering if there's hubris to deal with.

It's a sketchy analogy, but as a Pirates fan, I feel a bit like I did in the 2015 off-season when our GM, coming off three straight wild card appearances and averaging 94 wins a season mostly due to superb pitching and pen work from reclamation projects, wouldn't meet JA Happ's (rather reasonable) salary demands, stating, "Pitchers should pay us to pitch here." Granted, the Pirates haven't seen the post-season since and Danny is still winning, thus the analogy is imprecise, but the emotions are pretty close.
First congrats on Paul Skenes as ROY. Kid is must watch.

You’re onto something here. Hurley’s Midas touch lead to overconfidence he could reclaim anyone that could process the system. He confidence is not subtle.

The Mahaney selection makes so little sense the deeper we go. You can’t teach size, speed, quickness and toughness on a team that lacks all of that in the backcourt. A reach to find Cam 2.0, as well as he worked. I can rattle off 20-25 kids that were better fits. A kid like Poplar comes to mind.
 
you don't lose a game like that on your home court
UConn can't afford another home court loss
Now they need to beat one of Creighton, Marquette or St Johns on the road
 
Refs suck
Hassan is a dog
Defense was laughable at times
Team only works with Liam , Alex is the leader , but ultimately an elite role player type.
Not ideal for carrying your offense. All the losses post maui come down to we really could of used those 10-15 points from Liam. And we win easily. They look like an incomplete team because they are. Healthy in march, team still has potential
 
If people can block out making subconscious comparisons to last year's team, they will realize UConn has a pretty good team. I think they do.
This is a pretty level headed statement. Expectations can eat you alive. They are killing Karaban and have played a major factor in the mindset of this years team. Somehow need a reset where team throws off the weight of those expectations and just plays hoop with energy and enthusiasm. Is against the world, bring on the world!
 
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Tough loss. I thought it was nice to see Stewart really step up. And honestly, I'm tired of the complaining about the refs. UCONN is far and away the jewel of the big east. If they really wanted to do something about it, they would throw their weight around and get it solved.
When the refs clearly decide the game and there is no defending the call, it’s dumber to say don’t mention the refs than to mention them.
 
The announcers said at end of the game “this is the benefit of not fouling” at the end of the game for Creighton.

I was yelling at the TV “No this is the benefit of not getting called for fouls for the entire game.”

Somehow, during the loose balls, they can WWF on our players with no fouls being called, but when we reach to grab a ball, it’s suddenly a foul.

Hate to say it, but karaban did kind of hurt us today… those three or four miss lay ups and miss defensive assignments came back to bite us from the end. And that last shot was just not good enough.

It was a very high-level basketball game and Creighton was playing out of their minds, so it is what it is.

Once again, I love the way that Stewart played and Hassan a true champion. Johnson got called for some Phantom fall, but he played well.

Mahaney just has to be so much better than he is right now, if we want to compete at the highest level levels.
And the moment creighton touched the ball it’s a jump ball. Kalkbrenner is slower than molasses in the paint, we get our hands all over the ball but it’s a foul every time. He should be called for 3 seconds basically every time he had the ball in the post.

I think you could find 15 miserable calls or non called that went their way.

We didn’t play well, but that doesn’t mean the refs should be able to ensure we don’t win by making biased calls. Creighton wasn’t great either save for one guy going off and Ashworth hitting a few shots from mars
 
It was a great atmosphere. The crowd was electric! But ...
Creighton deserved to win. Period.
 
The team held back and didn’t put effort in? I hear this all the time and it’s never true. It’s players beating other players with quickness and skill. Or it’s help defense on Kalkbrenner leaving a 3 open or the reverse. These players are trying and trying hard.
If you listened to Dan Hurley in the huddle at the after Creighton came roaring back against them after an early lead he was clearly heard to say on tv:
"our defense got soft; you got soft. You let them get right back into it because you were soft". etc. I don't think Danny agrees with your summary comments. Mostly that was Solo getting continually toasted by Neal. I don't think it is Solo being lazy. He seems to have deer in the headlights or anxiety looks in his eyes at times. I'm not giving up on him. I think he is too good an athlete and just needs to keep listening to the coaches. We have seen so many young players blossom over time with coaching. He just needs to listen and believe. He is still only a midseason sophomore.
 
I was watching the game while playing poker so with no sound. Watching the game now. It really is too bad we lost the game as the crowd did everything they could to give us an edge.

The reality is everything we thought were strengths are not as much strengths.

Ball is a great shooter but he can not or will not play defense.

Johnson is a more effective player than Reed because Reed just disappears. We thought that could be coached up but it looks like the progress is slow.

AK what can you say he just does not have the skill set to be the main guy. Don’t think he ever will. His is defended the same way every game and the other team gets the same good results.

Diarra is clearly our best player. Let than one marinate…..he was a great energy guy off the bench last year and this year he is our heart and soul.

Liam coming back will help but we are just not consistent enough at anything to be a very good team. Just like all have said maybe a top 25 team but just don’t see how these pieces will elevate to be much more than a at best second weekend team. But if we get behind in the first round game the ghosts is years past could show up again.

Just disappointed as I thought we would be better than we are…..McDermott seems to have our number 2-7 against him. If Hurley and staff figures out a way to get this team playing more competitive and closer to their overall potential it will be the best coaching job he has pulled off at UConn. Honestly man for man we are more talented than Creighton but we were not a better basketball “team”.

Also Kalkbrenner fouled Diarra on that dive for the ball in the first half and that was definitely a shooting foul on Diarra at the end of the game.
 
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I’m not surprised at all at where we are. To be really good, we needed a huge jump from Solo and Stew, we needed Samson to contribute more offensively and protect the rim, we needed Mahaney to be really good and we needed McNeeley to be as good as advertised. For all of that to happen was a big ask.

I actually came into the season thinking Diarra might be our best player and I knew AK couldn’t create off the dribble. I’m just disappointed the all star coaching staff hasn’t blown me away again with their genius. Reality is, you can’t win natties every year.

There’s still time for another amazing transformation, but our flaws seem a little too obvious this time around. We need more defensive speed and offensive firepower. We also need a serious rim protector to play this style of defense.
 
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McDermott is excellent, he ate Danny's lunch again. Talent wise there's no way Creighton should've done that to us at UConn. Under two minutes left Hurley calls timeout and I'm begging for him to draw up an elbow jumper for Solo and once again Hurley draws it up for AK to crash down the lane and throw up a floater. It's maddening at this point, AK isn't that guy and that's not his game. Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If you slow down Kalk and Ashworth enough like that Creighton isn't supposed to have a prayer of winning a game like that on the road. He spread us out and went to Neal on iso's and he killed us.

Hass was incredible and he's our best all-around player with McNeeley out. He did everything to try and will us to a win but it was only Jaylin helping him out on a lot of set ups from Hass until Solo helped out late. Can't win with just Hass as Batman and Jaylin as Robin with nothing from AK and Reed. I'm really disappointed with Reed no longer being a part of our offense.

I'm sad for Hass, that was an all-time effort and performance and then the refs criminally screwed him out of 3 ft's to tie the game at the end. I'm so sick and tired of the way the refs treat us, we're the back to back champs. If refs treated Kansas and Kentucky like this the fans would be showing up at the conference headquarters and at their houses.

Jaylin and Solo showed a lot of really good things on offense and Jaylin's Odell Beckham impression was incredible, still don't know how he did that. It will help us a lot when McNeeley comes back but man do we need him back.
McDermott has Hurley’s number. Beat a guy 8 times out of 10 and it’s hard to see it any other way. It happens. He is a good coach who has figured out a way to beat UConn. And of course he has the talent to pull it off. Other coaches haven’t figured it out. But his guys didn’t get lost with all the movement. They stayed home on defense. And on many occasions on offense they made the extra pass.

I will say that there seems to be a special rule book for Kalkbrenner. He is an offensive foul looking for a call when he takes it to the rim. And if travelling and 3 seconds were still rules they actually called any more he’d be a turnover machine.
 
What scares me is that although we have a great recruiting class are any of them premier athletes. They seem to all be offensive guys first and defenders second. We need an infusion of high end athletic ability to blend into the mix.

I will admit I am not as well versed on the exact talents of our recruiting class, but it does not seem to be overly athletic.

Really don’t see AK going pro after this year unless something changes drastically. Roebe, Mullins, Adam’s and Furphy are any considered better athletes than basketball players? Who’s is playing defense next year? Who is going to create off the dribble next year?

You just can’t expect non athletic players to all be Cam Spencer because let’s be honest he was playing chess on the floor and most were playing checkers. That super high BBIQ can be gotten with experience but think about how Cam at 6’4” would get into the lane use ball fakes, head fakes and rotating on his pivot foot to get the shot off.

Just imagine at his size if AK could do the same things when he gets into the lane. Kind of knew this was going to be a tough ride this year but losing at home with that crowd is really downer.
 
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There's so much doom and gloom in this thread. I wasn't expecting to hear rays of sunshine but wow I guess the world is gonna end now.
 
AK, (after his performances) should seriously consider staying for his senior season. Teams fits and starts has led to calls for Dan Hurley's head. Newsflash, this is NOT last years team. It's going to take time for this team to mesh. Diarra, and Ball play well together, Johnson is still too foul prone, Reid is learning Hurleys system, as is Mahany, the injury bug has bitten them as well. Maybe, just maybe by tournament time, this will all work itself out. It just remains to be seen.
 
There's so much doom and gloom in this thread. I wasn't expecting to hear rays of sunshine but wow I guess the world is gonna end now.
World is not going to end but the UConn season will more than likely end sooner than we had all hoped. Unless there is a miracle of St Anthony.
 
I watched the replay, if only because I wanted to see if James Breeding was really as bad as it felt being there. It was worse

The raw numbers, maybe I missed something, I almost hope I did because I don't want any official to be this bad.

Breeding called 8 or 9 fouls.

3 fouls were on Creighton

Just before halftime, an arguably wrong touch foul Creighton wanted him to call that took a 3 point basket away from us. An intentional foul on Creighton with 14 seconds left. An intentional; foul on Creighton with 8 seconds left when he wrongfully denied us three free throws. He called three fouls on Creighton, all choreographed by Doug McDermott

5 or 6 calls on UConn.

A moving pick on Reed which wasn't a foul.
A legitimate reach in call on Ball under the hoop
A late in the game rebounding foul on Alex,
A late in the game charging call on Alex
A late in the game touch foul on Hass giving the best free throw shooter in the country two free throws keeping their lead at 3
Can't remember the 6th call

He called 8 or 9 fouls, all of them for the benefit of Creighton. He even called anticipation fouls at the end of both halves as instructed by Greg McDermott

Maybe I missed something, I'm not going to pretend I meticulously broke down the game film, kinda on the fly actually, but my argument doesn't change. James Breeding is a horrible referee with complete bias against Hurley and UConn. I'm being kind here. He's got to go
 
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When the refs clearly decide the game and there is no defending the call, it’s dumber to say don’t mention the refs than to mention them.

You can win this game well before the refs have the ability to decide the game with a call like that. Alex missed a lay in, a floater or 2 while Hassan made 2 awful decisions at crunch time can’t take it to Kalk in that situation and worse down only 1 with plenty of time you can’t foul Ashworth ever. Hey I hate that the refs believe this Blue Jay team doesn’t foul but just win the game, make winning plays. Problem is their best player in this game is a 6th man so we don’t have the horses!
 
There's so much doom and gloom in this thread. I wasn't expecting to hear rays of sunshine but wow I guess the world is gonna end now.
I think we all have dreams of a historic three-peat and are seeing the holes and reality of where this team is right now. Lots of work to do and not a ton of time left to do it.

The perils of being a fan of a 6 time champ.
 
What scares me is that although we have a great recruiting class are any of them premier athletes. They seem to all be offensive guys first and defenders second. We need an infusion of high end athletic ability to blend into the mix.

I will admit I am not as well versed on the exact talents of our recruiting class, but it does not seem to be overly athletic.

Really don’t see AK going pro after this year unless something changes drastically. Roebe, Mullins, Adam’s and Furphy are any considered better athletes than basketball players. Who’s is playing defense next year? Who is going to create off the dribble next year.

You just can’t expect non athletic players to all be Cam Spencer because let’s be honest he was playing chess on the floor and most were playing checkers. That super high BBIQ can be gotten with experience but think about how Cam at 6’4” would get into the lane use ball fakes, head fakes and rotating on his pivot foot to get the shot off.

Just imagine at his size if AK could do the same things when he gets into the lane. Kind of knew this was going to be a tough ride this year but losing at home with that crowd is really downer.
Being an “athlete” doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to be a great defender.

As Exhibit A, I offer you Solo Ball
 
I like AK a lot but he is not the alpha of this team. He is important cog but not the Alpha. Liam might be it, but he is out. Right now the team best player was last years 6th man.
It's pretty clear that this is a transition year. AK, Diarra and SJ are all very good college players and will help pass on the UConn culture while anchoring a pretty good basketball team in the meantime but they aren't exactly the centerpieces of a top 5 contender on their own
If people can block out making subconscious comparisons to last year's team, they will realize UConn has a pretty good team. I think they do.
Agreed. Also, I think this team can still hit another level if and when it gets healthy and we shorten the rotation. Since I believe this is a transition year, I'm all for continuing the 10-11 man rotation through about mid February. If there could be any complaint about last season it's that the sophomore class basically came into this year as Freshman with how little experience they got, so I don't think we want to do that again.

I imagine that at some point this will slim down to an 8 man rotation with Reed Jr, Stewart and Mahaney being the three off the bench. I mean we get absolutely nothing from Ross in the minutes he's on the court and Nowell will be good but those minutes can also be better utilized. Its pretty clear McNeeley is the best player on the team and when we get him back it allows AK to slide back into a more appropriate roll for his skill set so we'll kill two birds there.

I'm excited to see how this team develops over the next month and a half. I still think they can make the second weekend in March if a few things come together.
 
I’m not surprised at all at where we are. To be really good, we needed a huge jump from Solo and Stew, we needed Samson to contribute more offensively and protect the rim, we needed Mahaney to be really good and we needed McNeeley to be as good as advertised. For all of that to happen was a big ask.

I actually came into the season thinking Diarra might be our best player and I knew AK couldn’t create off the dribble. I’m just disappointed the all star coaching staff hasn’t blown me away again with their genius. Reality is, you can’t win natties every year.

There’s still time for another amazing transformation, but our flaws seem a little too obvious this time around. We need more defensive speed and offensive firepower. We also need a serious rim protector to play this style of defense.
What's scary is the roster next year appears to have the same problem... no real toughness or athleticism
 
McDermott has Hurley’s number. Beat a guy 8 times out of 10 and it’s hard to see it any other way. It happens. He is a good coach who has figured out a way to beat UConn. And of course he has the talent to pull it off. Other coaches haven’t figured it out. But his guys didn’t get lost with all the movement. They stayed home on defense. And on many occasions on offense they made the extra pass.

I will say that there seems to be a special rule book for Kalkbrenner. He is an offensive foul looking for a call when he takes it to the rim. And if travelling and 3 seconds were still rules they actually called any more he’d be a turnover machine.

This is not a comment to you specifically but to all the “McDermott has Hurley’s number” guys…

To be fair, 3 of Creighton’s wins were in the 20-21 season where we were just a scrappy “mid” team with limited offense who played hard-nosed defense. We were underdogs in all 3 games to a strong team with a Coach whose program was already “built”. The home & MSG games were 2- and 4-pt losses.

In 21-22, we were a better team but still had the same issues with offense & lost each of those by 4 & 2 pts (in Omaha). I don’t have time to look up the lines but if we were favored in XL, it probably wasn’t by much.

My point is, realistically, until yesterday’s game, the series was basically at 2-2 since Hurley has gotten to the “mature” point of his team rebuild.

Don’t get me wrong, I really think McDermott is a great coach and great game planner and definitely comes up with schemes to neutralize other teams strengths.

But this “owning” narrative is overplayed.
 
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This is not a comment to you specifically but to all the “McDermott has Hurley’s number” guys…

To be fair, 3 of Creighton’s wins were in the 20-21 season where we were just a scrappy “mid” team with limited offense who played hard-nosed defense. We were underdogs in all 3 games to a strong team with a Coach whose program was already “built”. The home & MSG games were 2- and 4-pt losses.

In 21-22, we were a better team but still had the same issues with offense & lost each of those by 4 & 2 pts (in Omaha). I don’t have time to look up the lines but if we were favored in XL, it probably wasn’t by much.

My point is, realistically, until yesterday’s game, the series was basically at 2-2 since Hurley has gotten to the “mature” point of his team rebuild.

Don’t get me wrong, I really think McDermott is a great coach and great game planner and definitely comes up with schemes to neutralize other teams strengths.

But this “owning” narrative is overplayed.
Spot on. Remember when Cooley “owned” Hurley? That narrative sure changed quickly. Like you said, McDermott is a very good coach and prepares well for us. But until he gets to a final four he’s not a great coach. Danny is already a legendary coach.
 
Being an “athlete” doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to be a great defender.

As Exhibit A, I offer you Solo Ball
Solo was more aggressive offensively this game, but cmon, put a body on someone when defensive rebounding. Guys are going over, around, and through him on the glass.
Sampson tries to one-arm rebound. Unfortunately, his arms aren't strong enough to hold anyone off. Miss the bbiq and rebounding of Cam, Newton, Jackson, Donovan, Castle. Opponents getting way too many chances.
The deficiencies are super apparent.
 
First congrats on Paul Skenes as ROY. Kid is must watch.

You’re onto something here. Hurley’s Midas touch lead to overconfidence he could reclaim anyone that could process the system. He confidence is not subtle.

The Mahaney selection makes so little sense the deeper we go. You can’t teach size, speed, quickness and toughness on a team that lacks all of that in the backcourt. A reach to find Cam 2.0, as well as he worked. I can rattle off 20-25 kids that were better fits. A kid like Poplar comes to mind.
I think that’s a little bit of 20/20 hindsight on Mahaney. At the time it didn’t seem like too much of a reach to take the leading scorer and all conference player from a top 25 team. He can shoot and create his own shot I can understand why they thought he would be a fit for the stuff they try to run. It just hasn’t worked out. I do agree we would be better served by picking up a dawg at guard to go along with AN next season. We are set at 2G with Solo and Adams.
 
I think folks need to ease up. We lost 7 guys to the pros in two years. Seven. From 2010 to 2020 that number was only five. Our guys are working hard, trying to figure it out and playing team ball. That's all I can ask. We lose a game and now the Fellowship decides to leave Samson alone and sink their teeth into Tarris? They had a similar funk two years ago around this time. Why can't we enjoy the journey instead of continuing to pick out the flaws?
 
1. I am not “blame the ref” guy. Never have been. But when game after game I see nearly all questionable calls go against us, gotta start to pay attention. When I continue to see the number of calls over a 40 minute game be so overwhelmingly against us, gotta belive the trend.
2. We are going to show better once we get the tourney in March. This team shoots the rock very well.
3. One person alluded to it being silly (my word not his) that we are waiting for a freshman to save us. Well, to that I say this: that freshman‘s skillset cannot be provided by anyone else on the team. He is playing the “CAM” role, to wit, when we need a basket to stop a run, and the outside shot is not falling, he takes the ball to the hoop and draws a foul. He grabs the contested board. He is a sharpshooter. And he brings lots of energy. This kid will help us get better in March.
4. Need The Bear.
5. We will be okay,
 
I think we all have dreams of a historic three-peat and are seeing the holes and reality of where this team is right now. Lots of work to do and not a ton of time left to do it.

The perils of being a fan of a 6 time champ.
It might seem like time is short and there's a lot to be done. But 2 years ago at this time of January the general feeling on the board was we were gonna miss the tournament and Dan Hurley was headed for the hot seat if not fired. And then we won back to back championships.

Which isn't to say I think we're winning it all this year, but I'm expecting a very different team 2 months from now when the tournament is starting
 
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