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What does ASU have anything to do with us? Congrats on dropping a random fact in the convo…
If ASU could beat Creighton, UConn should have beaten them easilly, twice. Where was the defensive and offensive intensity in the 1st half? They need to have their backs against the wall in order to play like they did in the 2nd half? Other than the Auburn, 1st Gtwn and perhaps the 2nd Nova games, they seem not to be able to put two complete halfs together. Defensive and offensive intensity in both halfs is a must during tournament play.
 
When a team is 5-0 against you and beats you the same way every time and you don't adjust to take away what they do and to better attack their defense, well, that's coaching. Hurley hubris is to blame for this one and the one at home. I love what he's done for the program, but he simply has to be more flexible about how we play on both ends. Needs a long talk with Belichick in the offseason. Basketball isn't football, but you still can't afford to be so predictable. UConn has to be the easiest team to scout in the whole country.
 
UConn is having the same season as 90% of the top 25 maybe 95%. I’m still unsure whether UConn fans watch any non UConn games. Add that to us being in a top 3 conference. It happens. We just lost to a tournament team on the road. After knocking off multiple quality teams prior. Yet Hurley sucks. We need some perspective. We’re still a really good, flawed team. The same team we were after Nova. Breathe.

Like the entire top 10 has been losing for 2 weeks now lol
Its insane how people lose their minds after a loss like this. Creighton was desperate for a win to guarantee they get in the tournament, it was life or death for them. We had one of our worst performances of the year yet we were still in the game (on the road with a rowdy crowd on dollar beer/fan appreciation night). Its clear most of the people in here do not pay attention to or watch anything other than BE basketball or even outside of UConn because I agree UConn is having a similar season to 90% of the top 25, we play in a very tough conference, losses happen.
 
Mac and Jay have similar schemes/models that they believe in. They recruit players to those schemes re: roster construction and rotations. Works for them. As an opposing coach--You know what you're playing against- Your strengths vs their schemes. They will impose their will on you if you let them.

Plenty to be positive about re: our team.. Adjust/learn and win the next game.
 
When a team is 5-0 against you and beats you the same way every time and you don't adjust to take away what they do and to better attack their defense, well, that's coaching. Hurley hubris is to blame for this one and the one at home. I love what he's done for the program, but he simply has to be more flexible about how we play on both ends. Needs a long talk with Belichick in the offseason. Basketball isn't football, but you still can't afford to be so predictable. UConn has to be the easiest team to scout in the whole country.
We did those things. Do you think we attacked their defense the same way in this one as last game? Or even the same way throughout the game? We made them adjust after we started killing them.

They killed us on offense one way in the beginning of the 1st half and then we limited them to 14 points over a 15 and a half minute stretch (we scored 29) bridging halftime and the 8 minutes before and after.

They adjusted again and we made some minor adjustments, but McDermott drew up a couple nice plays at the end at crucial times. We drew up a couple nice plays and had the ball in our best players hands in great spots and we missed the shots. Guys miss shots on the road more often.
 
Boy, this is frustrating. Is Hurley really the guy? Remember, Hurley was in the locker room for 2/3 of the Villanova game, our biggest win of the season...
 
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Its insane how people lose their minds after a loss like this. Creighton was desperate for a win to guarantee they get in the tournament, it was life or death for them. We had one of our worst performances of the year yet we were still in the game (on the road with a rowdy crowd on dollar beer/fan appreciation night). Its clear most of the people in here do not pay attention to or watch anything other than BE basketball or even outside of UConn because I agree UConn is having a similar season to 90% of the top 25, we play in a very tough conference, losses happen.
I'm upset about this loss because it means we're 90% locked into a 5 seed in the NCAAT. The only path to a 4 seed is winning the BET. I really do not want anything to do with playing an underwhelming Indiana, Memphis, or UNC team in the first round.
 
Boy, this is frustrating. Is Hurley really the guy? Remember, Hurley was in the locker room for 2/3 of the Villanova game, our biggest win of the season...
If you don't think Hurley is the right guy for this program then you are clueless. Do you remember where this program was at 4 years ago?? We have great young talent, excellent recruiting classes coming in and the way he's developed guys like Bouk and Sanogo is very impressive. We're a top 20 team in the country that has the potential to make a deep March run. Asking if Dan Hurley is the right guy is comical
 
I'm upset about this loss because it means we're 90% locked into a 5 seed in the NCAAT. The only path to a 4 seed is winning the BET. I really do not want anything to do with playing an underwhelming Indiana, Memphis, or UNC team in the first round.
Winning 2 gets us two more Q1 wins, so I think it's still possible if we just get to finals.
 
You’re getting too worked up over jumbled conference records. If we lose the 3 seed it’s due to a damn tiebreaker not because we underachieved. Can you honestly say you expected better than 13-6 (assuming a Saturday win) in this conference? If so how much better?
I didn't say anything about our conference record. I'm talking about McDermott owning Hurley over two different teams and having to replace basically a whole new roster. Creighton should not be beating us this season, especially without their point guard.
We did those things. Do you think we attacked their defense the same way in this one as last game? Or even the same way throughout the game? We made them adjust after we started killing them.

They killed us on offense one way in the beginning of the 1st half and then we limited them to 14 points over a 15 and a half minute stretch (we scored 29) bridging halftime and the 8 minutes before and after.

They adjusted again and we made some minor adjustments, but McDermott drew up a couple nice plays at the end at crucial times. We drew up a couple nice plays and had the ball in our best players hands in great spots and we missed the shots. Guys miss shots on the road more often.
We never adjusted to Kalkbrenner, he scored 20 points in the final 16 minutes of the second half all off of layups/dunks.
 
We can say whatever, the bottom line at this point is we just do not match up well with them...is this 3 or 4 straight losses?
 
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I think part of the anger after this one, at least on my end, is that it’s yet another one step forward (finally got over Nova) followed by a step back. I understand progress isn’t linear, but like so many hear I WANT, no, I NEED UConn to be back. And after the Nova win, there was some palpable buzz of pushing for that protected seed. You know, where the actual second weekend participants generally come from.

With this loss, I think we’re locked into the 5/6 range (assuming we beat DePaul) unless we win the BET. And that’s a tougher first round game, not geographically protected, and a harder road back to the second weekend and the relevance so many of us are pining for.

This year has been overall a step in the right direction. We’ve spent almost all of it with a little number next to our name. That’s vital for national recognition. But we never really threatened to make that push to the next level, always throwing up a clunker (WVU, both Creighton games) when we had the chance. And I think that’s where the frustration sets in.
 
CBB is crazy. You can gameplan until the cows come home and then get foiled by some scrub or freshman player deciding to play out of his mind.

In the 7 games prior to last night, Kaluma had shot 3-23 from 3pt range. Leaving him open for 3's is a solid gameplan. Kid decides to make his first 3 attempts, including a BS banked 3. Was key to setting the tone for the game, as those shots were pivotal in Creighton opening up that 16-pt 1st half lead. We had to plan catch-up the rest of the night.
 
I didn't say anything about our conference record. I'm talking about McDermott owning Hurley over two different teams and having to replace basically a whole new roster. Creighton should not be beating us this season, especially without their point guard.
We never adjusted to Kalkbrenner, he scored 20 points in the final 16 minutes of the second half all off of layups/dunks.
Fair enough but you brought up preseason conference picks multiple times in this thread. Marquette beat Nova 2x this year too. The conference is a huge jumble and not much separates the 1 seed from the 6 seed. 13-6---assuming we get there---is pretty darn good.
 
I’m calling this a good loss. You’re not supposed to win every night in the BE. We showed that we can come back, on the road, and this may have brought us back down to earth. The guys were probably looking ahead to MSG (or the Final 4).
 
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We never adjusted to Kalkbrenner, he scored 20 points in the final 16 minutes of the second half all off of layups/dunks.
He didn't score on the same plays over and over. This wasn't Hall and Richmond.

We adjusted to some of them, but McDermott continued throwing new wrinkles at us.

He scored on offensive rebounds. He scored on slipped screens. He scored on solid screen pick and roll. He scored on free throws after a switch got Martin on him. He scored on a fast break when he beat Sanogo down the court. He scored on a post up. He even shot a 3 (that Sanogo blocked).

A few of his buckets were just because of Sanogo's laziness/tiredness. At least 3.
 
He didn't score on the same plays over and over. This wasn't Hall and Richmond.

We adjusted to some of them, but McDermott continued throwing new wrinkles at us.

He scored on offensive rebounds. He scored on slipped screens. He scored on solid screen pick and roll. He scored on free throws after a switch got Martin on him. He scored on a fast break when he beat Sanogo down the court. He scored on a post up. He even shot a 3 (that Sanogo blocked).

A few of his buckets were just because of Sanogo's laziness/tiredness. At least 3.
Sanogo is tired because we have him chasing too far and expending energy he doesn't need to. I think most of those blamed on Sanogo last night were because Sanogo is pulled out as Hurley wants him to be and Creighton exploits it. They did it all night, and the last time we played. It isn't new. Expecting a 5 to always recover that position in time to block a shot or disrupt it is not reasonable. Olajuwon and Russell couldn't be expected to do that, and they are probably the best that ever did it. Hurley has to give Sanogo a rest on D and let him roam the paint. If not all the time, some of the time. Especially when the opposing 5 is killing us in the paint.
 
This is what I said in the Thread "ASU Beats Creighton in Omaha!" back in mid December:

Great game for Coach Dan's brother, Bobby, and the Sun Devils!

The Bluejays did not look as sharp as past teams. From what I saw our Huskies should match up well with them. Their center is the major concern. This game film will be very instructive on how to beat them!
 
He didn't score on the same plays over and over. This wasn't Hall and Richmond.

We adjusted to some of them, but McDermott continued throwing new wrinkles at us.

He scored on offensive rebounds. He scored on slipped screens. He scored on solid screen pick and roll. He scored on free throws after a switch got Martin on him. He scored on a fast break when he beat Sanogo down the court. He scored on a post up. He even shot a 3 (that Sanogo blocked).

A few of his buckets were just because of Sanogo's laziness/tiredness. At least 3.
One made ft and then one made ft off of an and 1 layup. 18 points off of dunks and layups in the last 15 minutes for Kalkbrenner.
 
This is what I said in the Thread "ASU Beats Creighton in Omaha!" back in mid December:
Kaluma went 1/5 from 3 in that one, 3/5 today. Looks like Hurley took your advice and tried leaving Kaluma wide open and it backfired.

Overall Creighton shot 20% from 3 against them and 41% across 2 games against us.
 
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Creighton was selected 2nd in the preseason rankings last year. We were 4th. Stop acting like we lost to some bottom feeder. They were expected to be a better team and ultimately showed it.

Does it suck to get swept by them this year, ofcourse. Tonight’s game, much like the 1st game at home, was frustrating to say the least. We clearly lack shooters and McDermott coached with that in mind. Let’s learn from it and move on.
Creighton replaced its entire starting roster from that year and last night they were without their starting point guard. We should have won. They were much better coached and prepared than we were.
 
Creighton replaced its entire starting roster from that year and last night they were without their starting point guard. We should have won. They were much better coached and prepared than we were.
Their starting point guard was probably their 5th best player. He's a freshman and has been pretty inefficient all year. He shoots below average on 3s, 2s, doesn't draw fouls, turns it over higher than average, and had the 10th/11th best assist rate among starting BE guards. He'll be good eventually, but after a game to adjust, they're not much worse off. In the 2 games they've had a lower turnover rate than their season-long average, despite playing 2 of the best teams in the league.
 
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Their starting point guard was probably their 5th best player. He's a freshman and has been pretty inefficient all year. He shoots below average on 3s, 2s, doesn't draw fouls, turns it over higher than average, and had the 10th/11th best assist rate among starting BE guards. He'll be good eventually, but after a game to adjust, they're not much worse off. In the 2 games they've had a lower turnover rate than their season-long average, despite playing 2 of the best teams in the league.
This is laughable, you clearly don't watch many Creighton games.
 
If you don't think Hurley is the right guy for this program then you are clueless. Do you remember where this program was at 4 years ago?? We have great young talent, excellent recruiting classes coming in and the way he's developed guys like Bouk and Sanogo is very impressive. We're a top 20 team in the country that has the potential to make a deep March run. Asking if Dan Hurley is the right guy is comical
He very few meaningful adjustments intra-game. You sound like a toady!
 
Their starting point guard was probably their 5th best player. He's a freshman and has been pretty inefficient all year. He shoots below average on 3s, 2s, doesn't draw fouls, turns it over higher than average, and had the 10th/11th best assist rate among starting BE guards. He'll be good eventually, but after a game to adjust, they're not much worse off. In the 2 games they've had a lower turnover rate than their season-long average, despite playing 2 of the best teams in the league.

This is the best take I’ve seen on here. Nembhard is really talented but having him play 35 plus minutes isn’t ideal. Most Jays fans turn a semi-blind eye to his shortcomings due to his resemblance to Zegarowski game-wise, but I agree we can be just as good without him due to Trey Alexander...

...which leads me to the other thing I would comment on: the ASU game. First, it’s not fair to use a team’s worst effort of the season as some sort of baseline for judgement. Also our offense is incredibly complicated to run; the choreography is such that if you don’t have a lot of time in the system you’ll gum it up, and when you have 4 new guys and one fairly new one (OConnell) it’s a disaster. Alexander was the state POY in Oklahoma last year but he was nearly useless in the non-con, he was so unsure of himself his go-to moves were to dribble into the lane, stop, and desperately try to pass it back out, and the other was to throw a pass to no one. Now that he’s playing 35 minutes a game and has most of a season under him, he’s playing with confidence and is night and day better. Same with Kaluma, he’s far better now than then as well.

If UConn had played us then, with you guys playing well enough to beat Auburn, we would have lost by 20 plus, even if the game had been here. That’s how far we’ve come, but it’s not surprising since we are giving so many minutes to players new to the system.
 
For this year:
I'd take Kalkbrenner over Whaley.
Ryan Hawkins over Jackson.
Kaluma over Hawkins.
O'Connell vs. Polley is a toss-u

For this year:
I'd take Kalkbrenner over Whaley.
Ryan Hawkins over Jackson.
Kaluma over Hawkins.
O'Connell vs. Polley is a toss-up.

If you don't think Hurley is the right guy for this program then you are clueless. Do you remember where this program was at 4 years ago?? We have great young talent, excellent recruiting classes coming in and the way he's developed guys like Bouk and Sanogo is very impressive. We're a top 20 team in the country that has the potential to make a deep March run. Asking if Dan Hurley is the right guy is comical
You make it sound like Dan Hurley is a great coach. What has he proven, he likes to be a cheerleader and chest bump players, he has proven that. Dan Hurley is not a good in game coach.
 
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