Mr. Wonderful
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The semantic masturbation is reaching x-rated levels.
I'm beginning to see the genius in this plan. Maybe if we don't mention the post-season ban people won't notice that we're not, you know, playing this post-season.
And, come to think of it, your sentiment would make the perfect marketing pitch to any potential recruit: Come to UConn, where you can play for Kevin Ollie--or somebody obviously better!
Sheesh. Can't believe I didn't see that angle before. I mean, it's not like these kids really care who their coach is going to be, right? Kevin is their coach, period. Well, except for the fact that he's not. I'm sure that's easily lost on them. Especially the ones who've said they want to play for him.
Thanks for setting me straight. If only there was a Facebook-like way for me to pay extra to have your posts displayed most prominently every time I log on. I would gladly pony up for faster and more efficient access to your wisdom and insights.
Do you consider a two-year contract a long term deal?I feel the same way about your brilliant insights. I *like* Kevin Ollie. I think he may be a great coach someday. But the overreaction to the one year contract is unbelievable. Our prior coach had cancer three times. We also damn near lost him to South Carolina. It didn't kill the program or even dent it. Neither will this. The administration had to balance a tiny possible impact on recruiting with the risk the KO will prove unable to do the job. I think they struck a fair balance.
There was no coach available to them that they could have confidence was a long term solution. So rather than give an interim contract to Hobbs or Blaney, with an announced search in the spring (talk about a hit to recruiting) they decided to hire KO who has the potential to be the solution. Giving him a long term deal would be overweighting the recruiting hit against the the risk that he fails.
The decision is made. Let's stop this nonsense of arguing about it and get behind the team.
I get it. Everybody wants to win. I'm just surprised at the tepid response to Kevin and the lack of enthusiasm for him. As I've said, it's contagious either way. I was psyched initially, but if the level of support he gets here is any indication, I'm starting to feel like he's dead man walking already and that bums me out.Just because some of us do not care to rant about the contract does not mean we are not behind Kevin and the team. I get that your passionate about it and that's fine. But others can still be fans and behind the program without having the same reaction you have.
I get it. Everybody wants to win. I'm just surprised at the tepid response to Kevin and the lack of enthusiasm for him. As I've said, it's contagious either way. I was psyched initially, but if the level of support he gets here is any indication, I'm starting to feel like he's dead man walking already and that bums me out.
Manuel and the administration don't like Ollie. If he doesn't have a huge season and get a top recruit (Vonleh), he's gone come spring time.
I get it. Everybody wants to win. I'm just surprised at the tepid response to Kevin and the lack of enthusiasm for him. As I've said, it's contagious either way. I was psyched initially, but if the level of support he gets here is any indication, I'm starting to feel like he's dead man walking already and that bums me out.
I think this part is right.This whole thread is among the most insane in recent memory. Kevin Ollie, a man who is vastly underqualified for the position he now holds, and who wouldn't have gotten so much as a sniff from the likes of U Hartford, let alone outside of Connecticut, where nobody has ever even heard of the guy, is suddently such a hot commodity that UConn will lose him? Please. There's not another major program that would have given him even this one year deal. If he hadn't been a UConn player...would you want him? If he was a little known scrappy PG who played at Michigan State, had a long but undistinguinshed career as an NBA backup and was a second level assistant for Izzo for three years? He'd be at the top you your list? Really?
I think there's a good chance that Calhoun is right, that KO is the real deal and that we will have made a great transition from the legend. If so, we'll see it within a few months and he'll be extended. But there is certainly a chance he will not be the answer, and we'll see that too. We won' extend him and he won't get any other offers either, except maybe as an assistant in the NBA.
Really? Honestly, 8893, you're one of my favorite posters here, but I think on this issue you've created a false conflict between supporting Ollie and not being sufficiently angry at Manuel.
I think the support for KO on this site and in general has been overwhelmingly positive. Personally, I've been a pro-KO guy since the moment he stepped back on campus and was thrilled when he got the job. But I'm also not going to go overboard in criticizing WM. Like many others, I wish he had given KO a 2- or 3-year deal with a low buyout. But I do understand his perspective even if I don't agree with it. But just like you want WM to give Ollie a real chance, I think we should give WM a real chance and not assume that he's lying when he says he wants KO to succeed.
As for the effect of the 1-year deal on the recruiting trail, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think it's totally overblown. A coach can always be fired, with a 1-year deal or a 5-year deal. KO has to convince players to believe in a guy with no head coaching experience; if they choose to believe in him, then they will believe that he will succeed. We managed to get recruits to come with JC wavering for the last 2 years. KO can get recruits to come by looking them in the eyes and saying, "I'll be here." Yes, of course other coaches will point out that KO can get fired. Leonard Hamilton certainly knows what it's like to be on the hot seat.
Just to be clear: I was not one "who always wanted KO to get the job." My only issue is that, once it was decided that he would get it, I do not believe that the seven-month contract gives him the best chance for success, which should have been the common goal from that point forward. I believe it is more than a slight hindrance to recruiting. And I do not believe a long-term contract was required; just two seasons, with a less-expensive buy-out after one if he has a Bobby-V-in-Beantown type first season. That would have eliminated the issue for someone like, say, Parker, who I gather only expects to stay for one season. And I'm not saying we would have gotten Parker or XRM in any event; but the speed with which we were dropped from consideration by both suggests, to me, that the lack of any assurance that KO will still be here is an issue. Nothing else changed in the meantime; unless we conclude that KO did not impress during the in-home visit.I can imagine that those of you who always wanted KO to get the job can't understand why there is so little commitment. But imagine you didn't think he was the best choice. Imagine you could think of 2-3 others you'd prefer who might be available. Then how would you feel? I suspect that's how the administration feels.
I think this part is right.
I do think he should have gotten a longer contract, and that some will use it against him. It's up to him to push through and convince them its not a short term thing. But it's wrong to think he wasn't handicapped. It's not because the administration doesn't like him, or are actively trying to sabotage him--but instead, they are motivated by your points here. The problem is that, in this scenario, intent hardly matters: the effects are the same...uncertainty and more fire power for negative recruiting that was already going to be there (due to the inexperience).
No, it's not just that most here are happy with the seven-month contract and don't believe Kevin, or anyone in his position, would be handicapped by it.Really? Honestly, 8893, you're one of my favorite posters here, but I think on this issue you've created a false conflict between supporting Ollie and not being sufficiently angry at Manuel.
Is it hyperbolic? Yeah, but even UHart's coach spent two years as UHart's Associate Head Coach from 2006-2008, and then two more years as UPenn's Associate Head Coach (under Miller), before he became head coach there. Now, if Kevin Ollie had been from UHart, I think he would have a great chance. He's just not a big name.Well, I thought that was hyperbolic. Especially this: He wouldn't have gotten so much as a sniff from the likes of U Hartford, let alone outside of Connecticut, where nobody has ever even heard of the guy.
We've seen that many people were interested in his services, esp. the NBA. Wouldn't have gotten so much as a sniff from U. Hartford? Really? Maybe the NBA people are all liars. Maybe Larry Brown's advice to Ollie was a lie to.
But, regardless, as has been stated multiple times, the main concern is recruiting for this year.
Well, I thought that was hyperbolic. Especially this: He wouldn't have gotten so much as a sniff from the likes of U Hartford, let alone outside of Connecticut, where nobody has ever even heard of the guy.
We've seen that many people were interested in his services, esp. the NBA. Wouldn't have gotten so much as a sniff from U. Hartford? Really? Maybe the NBA people are all liars. Maybe Larry Brown's advice to Ollie was a lie to.
But, regardless, as has been stated multiple times, the main concern is recruiting for this year.
I think the support for KO on this site and in general has been overwhelmingly positive. Personally, I've been a pro-KO guy since the moment he stepped back on campus and was thrilled when he got the job. But I'm also not going to go overboard in criticizing WM. Like many others, I wish he had given KO a 2- or 3-year deal with a low buyout. But I do understand his perspective even if I don't agree with it. But just like you want WM to give Ollie a real chance, I think we should give WM a real chance and not assume that he's lying when he says he wants KO to succeed.
Is it hyperbolic? Yeah, but even UHart's coach spent two years as UHart's Associate Head Coach from 2006-2008, and then two more years as UPenn's Associate Head Coach (under Miller), before he became head coach there. Now, if Kevin Ollie had been from UHart, I think he would have a great chance. He's just not a big name.
I don't think the NBA people are liars. I think he will likely be a good head coach (here or elsewhere...hopefully here), and I think they were sincere. But it is still difficult to be hired by people without any track record.
WM deserves his chance too.
He does? His chance at what?
He does? His chance at what?
Missed this part the first time. Sorry. I know I said I was done, but this part hits so precisely at the problem imo.We managed to get recruits to come with JC wavering for the last 2 years. KO can get recruits to come by looking them in the eyes and saying, "I'll be here." Yes, of course other coaches will point out that KO can get fired. Leonard Hamilton certainly knows what it's like to be on the hot seat.
I saw the same press conference. There is a material difference between what you said the first time and what you meant, and you know it, Nomar. C'mon man, we live on words. They matter.Well, we'll agree to disagree. We must have watched a different press conference, because the Kevin Ollie I saw will have no problem saying to a recruit: "Together, we will succeed at UConn." (Perhaps "I'll be here" is too strong. I suppose "I believe I will be here" is more what I actually meant.)
I get your point; I just totally disagree that with the notion that KO will be tongue-tied and unable to project confidence in himself, because I don't think he sees the uncertainty that you see. I'm not Kevin Ollie. I didn't claw my way through 13 NBA seasons and I'm not a God-fearing man. So maybe I'd hold back some. KO won't.
He was responding to my post. Our point is that people should not assume that Manuel does not like Ollie and does not want him to succeed simply because Calhoun forced his hand. You (not talking to you personally) can either take him at his word, which I do, or you can choose not to. I don't understand the rationale behind not taking him at his word. Protecting yourself against potential disappointment? Looking "in the know"? I don't really understand the point of getting worked up without any evidence other than the length of the contract. IMO, people don't know enough about Manuel's character to conclude that he wants Ollie to fail. On the other hand, you don't need to know anything about Manuel to know that if Ollie succeeds, Manuel succeeds.
EDIT: I just re-read Selles's post and I'm at a loss to understand why you required any explanation. But I've written this post, so I'll leave it notwithstanding its superfluousness.
Doing his job maybe? You may not agree with his decisions but it is difficult to argue that his decisions, up to this point are illogical, irrational or show incompetence. CT, like every other state, is struggling financially. Any kind of a buyout on a multi-year contract, aside from an insultingly low one, would have been irresponsible give Ollie's lack of head coaching experience. You may disagree with that last statement all you want but many people in the state would have been pissed had Ollie been given such a contract and then fired due to lack of performance relative to the high expectations of this position. The number of people who would agree in the state far outnumber the number of fans, former players and other friends of Ollie who disagree.
But, again, the real issue here is the public complaining about the situation which will not be altered by said complaining. No good can come of continuing to publicly make assumptions about Manuel's lack of confidence in Ollie and/or his intentions of not giving him a real chance. But some bad can.........
It may make people feel better to express their angry among like-minded people but what's the point of doing so if the situation will remain the same after doing so and now you are just pissed off and, maybe, your public outcry has weakened the program?
What I don't understand is this idea that Manuel needs to show that he can run a search. Why? That's why I responded to Selles. At least I think that's what he was referring to. Besides, Manuel is going to show that skill soon with regard to football anyway.
If people are concerned about money, they should seriously end the programs at UConn. Since when are such decisions made according to the number of people who agree or disagree with a 3 year Ollie contract? I thought UConn sports was a wing of the school meant to market the school. Is that not the case? When you're putting $100 million behind the rent, another $100 million in facilities for bball and football, this is no joke. This is precisely why you try not to be penny-smart and pound-foolish.