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Phoenix with no real ice has a hockey team out in the God forsaken West Valley no less.
Yet with a population of 1,000,000 Mexican America’s who love soccer we don’t have an MLS team.
How is that possible?

Despite the outward appearances, given the seeming explosive growth of new MLS franchises over the last half-decade, MLS does take its time and due diligence in evaluating prospective investment bids (getting an MLS franchise is not precisely like becoming an owner of a franchise in the other major leagues or most other American sports leagues down the line; you're an "investor-operator" who buys into the league and has the exclusive rights to OPERATE a franchise, but all the league's teams are owned by the umbrella MLS and the league's profits shared amongst them) for likelihood of success upon joining up. Most of the cities that have gotten expansion have had sustained and notable success in lower leagues to help their bid along.

Phoenix Rising FC, the local team, has been making a push for the last several years for consideration. Just hasn't seemed to come to any real fruition yet. While they've been pretty decent in terms of success and attendance, they also haven't been measurably better than cities who've been tapped for MLS (St. Louis, Nashville, Cincy, Charlotte; also counting Sacramento here, even though they dropped their bid earlier this year).

MLS does seem to be on track for getting to 32 (Austin was 27, Charlotte and St. Louis will be 28 and 29 when they join, and Sacramento was due to be 30th), so Phoenix might just get a look-see.

Also, just to be fair and candid: just having a large soccer-mad population doesn't necessarily translate into strong interest for the local product, especially if, say, the population there is Mexican-American and may very well have stronger interest in Liga MX teams even though they're expats.
 
The Buffalo Bills are rumored to be considering relocation if Buffalo doesn't build them a decent new stadium. Why not try what Gov. Roland attempted to do with the Patriots but with the Bills. Bring them to Hartford. It would sure help Hartford's economy. The Bills' current lease expires in July 2023. UConn could share the facility and get a 64,000 seat stadium. It would show Connecticut is serious about football and would send a message to the P5 or P4 conferences about UConn football. That we are serious. We deserve a membership.


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Our mascot, should the Bills make the unlikely decision to come here, should be a pizza slice or some brisket. Time to put our best foot forward.
 
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Well that solves the NHL's problem of which of the 9 western teams next year would not be in the Pacific division.
Move to Quebec? Houston? Toronto?
 
Well that solves the NHL's problem of which of the 9 western teams next year would not be in the Pacific division.
Move to Quebec? Houston? Toronto?
I think they already planned on moving Arizona to the Central division.
 
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I still think there was a chance the Patriots would have come to Hartford back when Roland was governor. Their home state just came up with a better offer. One problem with Connecticut: we always think we are not good enough to compete nationally in many things, be it attracting a pro team, getting UConn into P5, or turning UConn into a world-renown research (AAU) university. These things can be done.
100%. We suffer from a perpetual small thinking complex. Hardly a thing we do isn’t compromised, downsized or done half way. There is no vision. Hell, our flagship university can’t even establish a top 100 computer science program in the midst of a digital revolution underway for the last 25 years.
 
100%. We suffer from a perpetual small thinking complex. Hardly a thing we do isn’t compromised, downsized or done half way. There is no vision. Hell, our flagship university can’t even establish a top 100 computer science program in the midst of a digital revolution underway for the last 25 years.
As far as the Pats deal went, it wasn't small thinking that scuttled the plan; it was the lack of execution. And just to repeat, the home state did not come up with a better offer.
 
As far as the Pats deal went, it wasn't small thinking that scuttled the plan; it was the lack of execution. And just to repeat, the home state did not come up with a better offer.
I asked Jonathan Kraft once if the organization serious about coming to Hartford. He said, “of course we were”. I do not know if was truly serious.
 
I asked Jonathan Kraft once if the organization serious about coming to Hartford. He said, “of course we were”. I do not know if was truly serious.
Kraft later said he would have made billions on the deal. They were serious about billions. They only bailed when it became clear Rowland couldn't get the stadium built on time.
 
Kraft later said he would have made billions on the deal. They were serious about billions. They only bailed when it became clear Rowland couldn't get the stadium built on time.
Link?
 
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If you have to go the Pats website to support your (well @Waquoit's) point, maybe it is not on solid ground.

The Pat's waited until the two days before they'd actually have a financial commitment and then bailed. Rowland threaten to sue them and said he'd be a Giants fans from that point forward.
What point are you trying to make? I'm saying that the Pats were dead serious about moving to Hartford. It wasn't one elaborate feint.
 
@Waquoit While the Pat's were publicly stating the commitment to Hartford, there were secret negotiations to keep them in Mass.

What Governor Rowland didn’t know was that momentum had been building back in Massachusetts to keep the Patriots. In December 1998, Dan Rooney, the owner of the Steelers and an influential figure in league circles, bumped into Paul Kirk Jr., the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, at a dinner in Washington, D.C. Kirk was a Boston power player, with deep ties to both the political and business scenes, and he also knew the league well. He was on the short list of candidates when the NFL last picked a commissioner.

“What can you do to help us keep the Patriots in Massachusetts?” Rooney asked. Like others around the league, Rooney was concerned about abandoning the Boston TV market. Kirk said he’d be happy to help, so, a few days later, Rooney put him in touch with NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue. They spoke about creating a stadium plan in Massachusetts, to give the Patriots an alternative to the Hartford deal. After that, Kirk decided to build a team of civic leaders to lead the effort, and Tagliabue decided to send a league executive to help. His stadium expert: Roger Goodell. Since the Hartford deal forbade Kraft from negotiating with other states, Goodell would essentially act as a liaison for both the league and Kraft, negotiating a deal on the Patriots’ behalf.


The Pat's waited until the two days before they'd actually have a financial commitment in the Hartford project and then bailed. The issues with steam plant had been resolved. All the other development took place. There was nothing that stopped the move to Hartfort

Link to detail SI story on the project
 
More bad faith from you. I ask again, what point are you trying to make? Again, my point was that "the Pats were dead serious about moving to Hartford" and they didn't because Rowland didn't have the issue of the steam plant nailed down. And to refute that point you link an article that says, "The Patriots worked out a new stadium deal in Massachusetts, in large part because of issues with the steam plant" in the third paragraph. The entire first part of the article was about the steam plant.

But you just ignore that. Everything thing you cut and paste occured after it became clear CT wouldn't be able to build the stadium in time. All that came from it was some infrastructure from the state and loan money from the NFL. Without that context, it looks more nefarious than it was. If you were a boxer "Bad Faith" would be a cool nickname, but here...
 
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More bad faith from you. I ask again, what point are you trying to make? Again, my point was that "the Pats were dead serious about moving to Hartford" and they didn't because Rowland didn't have the issue of the steam plant nailed down. And to refute that point you link an article that says, "The Patriots worked out a new stadium deal in Massachusetts, in large part because of issues with the steam plant" in the third paragraph. The entire first part of the article was about the steam plant.

But you just ignore that. Everything thing you cut and paste occured after it became clear CT wouldn't be able to build the stadium in time. All that came from it was some infrastructure from the state and loan money from the NFL. Without that context, it looks more nefarious than it was. If you were a boxer "Bad Faith" would be a cool nickname, but here...
I guess, except the article expressly says that the steam plant issue was resolved over two weeks before Kraft pull the plug on it. So saying that the steam plant was the impediment is not accurate since issue was resolved.

I don’t think you really understand what the phrase “bad faith“ actually means. Let me try to help by giving you an example. Stating that you are committed to moving to Hartford while there were secret negotiations to keep you in Massachusetts would be negotiating in “bad faith.”

I hope that helped.
 
I guess, except the article expressly says that the steam plant issue was resolved over two weeks before Kraft pull the plug on it. So saying that the steam plant was the impediment is not accurate since issue was resolved.

I don’t think you really understand what the phrase “bad faith“ actually means. Let me try to help by giving you an example. Stating that you are committed to moving to Hartford while there were secret negotiations to keep you in Massachusetts would be negotiating in “bad faith.”

I hope that helped.
The steam plant issue was never resolved. Bad faith is not answering the direct question of what point are you trying to make?
 
The steam plant issue was never resolved. Bad faith is not answering the direct question of what point are you trying to make?
Did you read the article? Read the article.
 
Sure. The state will will build a new NFL stadium with the Bills then moving in. It will happen right after the new Hartford Civic Center has been built. ;)
Well, won’t the Canadiens need a place to play when they relocate?
 
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