Corey Floyd on the Circuit

[Hurleyman216]

His team is about to lose to Pro Skills and he hasn't looked great in this game. In his defense, his best 2 moves of the 2nd half both should have been layups or and-1's and he was called for a charge. This game is basically unwatchable with all the fouls called and it seemed to me to be pretty lopsided. Lots of touch fouls on Team Final and not much called the other way. Hard to even tell who the better players are in this game because the game literally had no flow whatsoever.

 

[Watchdog]

They lost 64-58, so maybe they made a comeback?
Still no box score an hour after the game.

 

[seeya27]

 

[seeya27]

 

[Gutter King]

Maybe the Huskies can get back at Villanova by posting up their guards.

I can't imagine how it feels on the court, but it was demoralizing as a fan watching Gillespie get that when he wanted to. Getting 6-8 points a game like that would take some pressure off our offense next year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I really think that if Hurley has a type, this is it. If Martin was a better finisher, he'd fit that type as well. Tough defender, strong rebounder, decent shooter, decent ball handler and can score through contact around the rim. You can win with a whole team of those guys.

One of the under-appreciated things about Bouknight is the way he didn't fear contact at the rim, unlike Jalen Adams who was incredible at avoiding it (leading to fewer FTs and more missed shots).

 

[Watchdog]

But, haven't some here said he has limited verticality?

 

[NJHusky]

If Martin was a better finisher,

BUT that is a big deal for a guy like him. His bunny % is borderline atrocious at this level

 

[huskiesNhoos]

kind of getting some Nate Robinson vibes...minus several inches on his vertical

 

[WhereistheDove?]

kind of getting some Nate Robinson vibes...minus several inches on his vertical

I'm curious to hear why. Different positions, one is very small for his position and relied on elite quickness, the other relies on his strength more than anything as Floyd doesn't seem to have great quickness. They both have pretty impressive verticals but are very very different players.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

BUT that is a big deal for a guy like him. His bunny % is borderline atrocious at this level

If you watched him at Massanutten you wouldn't have thought Martin had trouble finishing around the rim. Given that Floyd is shorter, and relies on bullying kids with his physicality, it seems like a leap to assume he's going to be better at it than Martin at the college level.

 

[6xChamps]

Floyd’s all over the court right now. Been key to a 15-0 run I think he has 7 during the stretch.

 

[ToolzieFan]

I watched most of the second half today. This was my first time watching him play. I am certainly no expert, but he looks like such a solid player who makes winning plays, and one you want on your team. I do see why he isn’t ranked too much higher. He isn’t quite an elite creator or shot maker. He just does a lot of things well. He had a few nice assists, including a beautiful lob. He could have had another assist or two if his teammate made a shot, and he sometimes made the pass that led to the assist. Again, thanks others here have seen him more or are better talent evaluators, but I give Hurley and the staff a ton of credit for identifying and closing on Floyd so early.

 

[ToolzieFan]

Oh, and he definitely played better than Justice Williams.

 

[NJHusky]

If you watched him at Massanutten you wouldn't have thought Martin had trouble finishing around the rim. Given that Floyd is shorter, and relies on bullying kids with his physicality, it seems like a leap to assume he's going to be better at it than Martin at the college level.

Understand your logic, but some guys just know how to play under the rim. Martin didn't get blocked often...he just bricked his shots.

 

[huskiesNhoos]

I'm curious to hear why. Different positions, one is very small for his position and relied on elite quickness, the other relies on his strength more than anything as Floyd doesn't seem to have great quickness. They both have pretty impressive verticals but are very very different players.

I paid more attention to Robinson when he was out here in Denver towards end of his career so had lost some of that elite quickness. Just stronger, undersized guards that can get to the basket. Basically all the footage I've seen of Floyd is twitter highlights so I'm going off of not a lot. @Ricker and @husky429 provide the real analysis...my thoughts are just background noise

 

[HuskyHawk]

If you watched him at Massanutten you wouldn't have thought Martin had trouble finishing around the rim. Given that Floyd is shorter, and relies on bullying kids with his physicality, it seems like a leap to assume he's going to be better at it than Martin at the college level.

People here tried to comp Marcus Smart, but when I compared him to Martin...oh no he's better than that. We always do this with recruits. I'm guilty too sometimes. I still believe Andre Jackson will transform himself into a shorter, more athletic version of Magic Johnson (who also couldn't shoot at first).

 

[ctchamps]

Understand your logic, but some guys just know how to play under the rim. Martin didn't get blocked often...he just bricked his shots.

In Martin’s case it has to be confidence yips. Very rarely if he started out missing shots he ended up making them. The converse was also true.

 

[david]

Not responding to anyone, but just a general comment, I feel like some people watch a 17 year old play and compare them to other kids who are 19 year old seniors. He can still grow, get more athletic, get stronger etc. If he ends up a legit 6’4” when he graduates watch out.

 

[Husky68]

In Martin’s case it has to be confidence yips. Very rarely if he started out missing shots he ended up making them. The converse was also true.

Seems like he is afraid of getting shot blocked (especially on offensive rebounds) so he quickly sort of flings the ball up rather than shooting. See similar actions with Whaley. Need to have patience like Sanogo to hesitate, fake, move to more effective shooting position and then shoot not fling the ball. No harm in taking offensive rebound back outside and start new play rather than fling low % shot (even if close in).

 

[6xChamps]

Peach Jam has totally changed my opinion on Floyd. I thought he’d be a really good four year role player/eventual starter but now I’m thinking he has All Big East team potential by year 3/4. He’s just consistently really good every time he plays.

 

[UConnStats]

Peach Jam has totally changed my opinion on Floyd. I thought he’d be a really good four year role player/eventual starter but now I’m thinking he has All Big East team potential by year 3/4. He’s just consistently really good every time he plays.

Kind of funny that he is clearly better than Justice Williams yet Williams is somehow top 50. A lot of highly ranked kids are getting exposed this weekend. Another example that comes to mind is Xavier commit Kam Craft completely outperforming his 5 star teammates Washington and Casey.

 

[husky429]

Kind of funny that he is clearly better than Justice Williams yet Williams is somehow top 50. A lot of highly ranked kids are getting exposed this weekend. Another example that comes to mind is Xavier commit Kam Craft completely outperforming his 5 star teammates Washington and Casey.

They've been able to hide because of Covid. 2022 and 2023 are gonna end up being total ish-show classes.

I was saying after watching Montverde that Williams is overrated and got roasted for it on here. He is way, way too passive of a player for his ranking.

Of our old recruits, Westry and Wicher have looked the part of their rankings generally... Wilcher probably even deserves a bump into the top 5. Williams and Roddy Gayle have gotten exposed IMO. Akil Watson has been pretty bad, but he's playing up to be fair.

Lemond has looked absolutely awful. 34% from the field and 0% from 3 this entire weekend on only 5 attempts (all in garbage time).

Bowen hasn't disappointed. Neither has Edwards.

Seems like our other recruits have been hit or miss depending on the game.

Ducharme has been putrid from 3, but his coach is still letting him shoot, and he's been hitting his FTs.. I'm hoping it's just a bad weekend.

 

[Huskyforlife]

They've been able to hide because of Covid. 2022 and 2023 are gonna end up being total ish-show classes.

I was saying after watching Montverde that Williams is overrated and got roasted for it on here. He is way, way too passive of a player for his ranking.

Of our old recruits, Westry and Wicher have looked the part of their rankings generally... Wilcher probably even deserves a bump into the top 5. Williams and Roddy Gayle have gotten exposed IMO. Akil Watson has been pretty bad, but he's playing up to be fair.

Lemond has looked absolutely awful. 34% from the field and 0% from 3 this entire weekend on only 5 attempts (all in garbage time).

Bowen hasn't disappointed. Neither has Edwards.

Seems like our other recruits have been hit or miss depending on the game.

Ducharme has been putrid from 3, but his coach is still letting him shoot, and he's been hitting his FTs.. I'm hoping it's just a bad weekend.

How can you tell if it's just a cold spell vs the kid being overrated? Like wasn't Justice Williams a top 3 player in the PCL as a junior?

 

[husky429]

How can you tell if it's just a cold spell vs the kid being overrated? Like wasn't Justice Williams a top 3 player in the PCL as a junior?

Good question. Short answer is probably: we're all just guessing.

Better answer? Style of play and confidence. Lemond looks completely and totally timid on the floor and doesn't even look to shoot if the game is within 15 points. Seriously. Like Gaffney at his worst. Whereas Ducharme (playing up to 17u) is missing shots but has a good-looking stroke, makes his FTs, and is still aggressive trying to score the ball even if it isn't going in.

I've seen Williams in multiple games over the course of months now, and haven't seen the borderline 5* people have described yet. He has the pieces to be really good, but at a certain point, you either put it together or don't. I'm not saying he isn't a 4* caliber or high-major player... I'm just saying he has clearly looked overrated is all. He'll be a good defender, and will just need to develop his shot. IMO Floyd has a more clearly defined role and path to playing time.

I expect up and down performances, which has happened with a lot of the other guys we're recruiting at Peach Jam. That's expected when you're playing every day, sometimes twice a day.

 

[UConnStats]

How can you tell if it's just a cold spell vs the kid being overrated? Like wasn't Justice Williams a top 3 player in the PCL as a junior?

He’ll definitely look to rebound this year as he was not much of a factor at MVA last year. But he doesn’t have a good jumper and isn’t an elite athlete/finisher at the rim, so he’ll be limited offensively. I do think he can be a PG at the college level and could be a plus defender there too. Good player/prospect, but Floyd is more ready to actually contribute.

 

[seeya27]

 

[Huskyforlife]

Good question. Short answer is probably: we're all just guessing.

Better answer? Style of play and confidence. Lemond looks completely and totally timid on the floor and doesn't even look to shoot if the game is within 15 points. Seriously. Like Gaffney at his worst. Whereas Ducharme (playing up to 17u) is missing shots but has a good-looking stroke, makes his FTs, and is still aggressive trying to score the ball even if it isn't going in.

I've seen Williams in multiple games over the course of months now, and haven't seen the borderline 5* people have described yet. He has the pieces to be really good, but at a certain point, you either put it together or don't. I'm not saying he isn't a 4* caliber or high-major player... I'm just saying he has clearly looked overrated is all. He'll be a good defender, and will just need to develop his shot. IMO Floyd has a more clearly defined role and path to playing time.

I expect up and down performances, which has happened with a lot of the other guys we're recruiting at Peach Jam. That's expected when you're playing every day, sometimes twice a day.

He’ll definitely look to rebound this year as he was not much of a factor at MVA last year. But he doesn’t have a good jumper and isn’t an elite athlete/finisher at the rim, so he’ll be limited offensively. I do think he can be a PG at the college level and could be a plus defender there too. Good player/prospect, but Floyd is more ready to actually contribute.

Good stuff, thanks.

Edit I wrote out a whole reply about Justice and Corey that got deleted when I pressed post somehow... too lazy to rewrite it. But Corey is gonna be good.

 

[TeasedDonut]

No disrespect to the kid- but Floyd put up better numbers than Williams in every game at Peach Jam. Give me the guy that consistently produces during games and fits into what Hurley is building over the higher-ranked kids any day of the week.

 

[seeya27]

None of this is a surprise. The pedigree is really strong: Both Corey's father and his uncle played AAU for Bob Hurley Sr. And the uncle is Tate George's younger brother. He was destined to be a UConn great.