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contract Incentive for 1,000 APR

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auror said:
These. Are. Not. Mutually. Exclusive.
Laser. Focus. Isn't. A. Thing. For. College. Basketball. Students. Anyways... Even. Under. Calhoun.
Kentucky. Had. 1000. APR. 4. Years. In. A. Row.
UK Shines Again in NCAA Academic Progress Rates (APR)
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If the administration allows the basketball program to operate like they do at Kentucky than it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t so it does.
 
BFieldHusky said:
More important this real is a destination job for Hurley. If some team wants him before his 5th year they are writing a check for 8 million dollars.
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I think he stays here, especially if he already has a NC by year 5. His family won't want to leave the Northeast, and as his boys grow you know what college they'll be rooting for and to attend eventually.
 
huskyrob1 said:
I think he stays here, especially if he already has a NC by year 5. His family won't want to leave the Northeast, and as his boys grow you know what college they'll be rooting for and to attend eventually.
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I thought one already attends Seton Hall?
 
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Chief00 said:
Thanks for making my point. If one and done Kentucky had a 1,000 APR 4 consecutive years - it demonstrates it’s not a goal worth chasing.
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A few comparables:
- John Calipari receives $50k for every APR >975 APR: John Calipari to earn $50,000 bonus for UK's academic progress rate
- Roy Williams receives $75k for every APR >975: UNC ups Roy Williams' contract through 2019-20 season

The APR, we know, is a sham. But it's a sham that's important to the NCAA, as it suggests to the casual fan that the NCAA might not be as corrupt as it is. Given that the NCAA punishes harshly those who fail to participate in the sham, and the coach has a role in maintaining the sham, it's reasonable to include an incentive in the contract. UNC rewards Roy Williams for making sure his players get A's in fake classes. Why shouldn't UConn reward Hurley similarly?
 
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pj said:
Chief, how do Kentucky, UNC, and Duke maintain 1,000 APRs with talented guys who leave school early? They have them take nothing classes in the summer, fall, and intersession, get A's for showing up, and then they can fail every class in the spring and still have a perfect APR.

So the incentive here is not for Hurley to value academics, but to become as skillful as the competition at evading academics.
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The Apr is a completely bogus measurement stat. Witness the above poster citing KY and UNCheat
 
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pj said:
A few comparables:
- John Calipari receives $50k for every APR >975 APR: John Calipari to earn $50,000 bonus for UK's academic progress rate
- Roy Williams receives $75k for every APR >975: UNC ups Roy Williams' contract through 2019-20 season

The APR, we know, is a sham. But it's a sham that's important to the NCAA, as it suggests to the casual fan that the NCAA might not be as corrupt as it is. Given that the NCAA punishes harshly those who fail to participate in the sham, and the coach has a role in maintaining the sham, it's reasonable to include an incentive in the contract. UNC rewards Roy Williams for making sure his players get A's in fake classes. Why shouldn't UConn reward for Hurley similarly?
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PJ, excellent post until the end - assuming the end is not satire. Chief’s Point is we should not be modeling our academics after UK’s one and done academics sham and UNC fake classes while they still excel on NCAA metrics. One year Alabama football had a much higher APR than Harvard basketball - does anyone need to know more?
#ChiefConfirmed
 
A perfect APR shouldn't be (& likely will not be) Hurley's focus but nothing wrong with having it in picture so he doesn't ignore it...........1000 isn't important but being comfortably above the minimum is so 1 or 2 malcontents can't wreck a season.
 
Chief00 said:
PJ, excellent post until the end - assuming the end is not satire. Chief’s Point is we should not be modeling our academics after UK’s one and done academics sham and UNC fake classes while they still excel on NCAA metrics. One year Alabama football had a much higher APR than Harvard basketball - does anyone need to know more?
#ChiefConfirmed
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It's a corrupt trade that benefits all parties (players, university, coach, TV networks, fans). The only thing I dislike is the lying. But at some point, the corruption is so obvious that it almost ceases to be lying. At that point one might as well participate, it's just the way this business is done. It's a semi-pro basketball team connected to a university. The NCAA in the UNC case showed us clearly what the business is. If you don't want to be in that business, drop to Div II.
 
pj said:
It's a corrupt trade that benefits all parties (players, university, coach, TV networks, fans). The only thing I dislike is the lying. But at some point, the corruption is so obvious that it almost ceases to be lying. At that point one might as well participate, it's just the way this business is done. It's a semi-pro basketball team connected to a university. The NCAA in the UNC case showed us clearly what the business is. If you don't want to be in that business, drop to Div II.
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Or D3 - like someone we know.
 
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Penfield said:
Let's go back to a time before we cared about APR and lost scholarships and eventually got banned from the NCAA tourney. That was great
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Seriously. You are smart.

There is a ocean sized gulf between meeting the standard and 1000.

Rewarding him for hitting 1000 does exactly what Chief says.

Pay him for staying eligible - don’t pay him for maxing out a stupid metric that gives him a reason not to push for some kids with questionable academics.

If you think you can win with a bunch of bookworms you can’t. If you are so blind to this reality go root for Trinity and stop rooting to destroy this basketball program.
 
whaler11 said:
Seriously. You are smart.

There is a ocean sized gulf between meeting the standard and 1000.

Rewarding him for hitting 1000 does exactly what Chief says.

Pay him for staying eligible - don’t pay him for maxing out a stupid metric that gives him a reason not to push for some kids with questionable academics.

If you think you can win with a bunch of bookworms you can’t. If you are so blind to this reality go root for Trinity and stop rooting to destroy this basketball program.
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I still don't understand why we don't do what every other major college program does. Just make it happen and forget about it.
 
Three quarters of you would donate a major organ to Jim Calhoun.

He’d pour acid in his eyes rather than read the nonsense about academics in these threads today.

He brought Nate Frigging Miles here. A person so stupid he broke a restraining order within 15 minutes.

Welcome Dan Hurley - now go win basketball games with a debate team against a bunch of southern community colleges.

Then beat NBA factories which skip this class nonsense.

But the moms are going to swoon over that pitch.
 
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whaler11 said:
Seriously. You are smart.

There is a ocean sized gulf between meeting the standard and 1000.

Rewarding him for hitting 1000 does exactly what Chief says.

Pay him for staying eligible - don’t pay him for maxing out a stupid metric that gives him a reason not to push for some kids with questionable academics.

If you think you can win with a bunch of bookworms you can’t. If you are so blind to this reality go root for Trinity and stop rooting to destroy this basketball program.
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Excellent post. Whaler11 on a roll speaking the truth - get out of his way.
 
whaler11 said:
Seriously. You are smart.

There is a ocean sized gulf between meeting the standard and 1000.

Rewarding him for hitting 1000 does exactly what Chief says.

Pay him for staying eligible - don’t pay him for maxing out a stupid metric that gives him a reason not to push for some kids with questionable academics.

If you think you can win with a bunch of bookworms you can’t. If you are so blind to this reality go root for Trinity and stop rooting to destroy this basketball program.
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There's no point in paying him to stay eligible. If the team isn't eligible with our history, you're firing him anyways. In that case, you're just paying him to not be fired aka a salary. There is no incentive.

APR is not a forgiving metric. One mistake-filled semester lingers for years and can affect the team even after you fire the coach responsible. Setting the goal far above the requirement ensures a safety net.

You also reference winning with bookworms. We both know the intelligence of players has 0 to do with APR and referencing that is asinine. With personal tutors. specific class choices and only requiring players to stay eligible (not exactly graduate with Latin honors), it's only a matter of ensuring your players are not willfully ignoring classwork entirely.
 
auror said:
There's no point in paying him to stay eligible. If the team isn't eligible with our history, you're firing him anyways. In that case, you're just paying him to not be fired aka a salary. There is no incentive.

APR is not a forgiving metric. One mistake-filled semester lingers for years and can affect the team even after you fire the coach responsible. Setting the goal far above the requirement ensures a safety net.

You also reference winning with bookworms. We both know the intelligence of players has 0 to do with APR and referencing that is asinine. With personal tutors. specific class choices and only requiring players to stay eligible (not exactly graduate with Latin honors), it's only a matter of ensuring your players are not willfully ignoring classwork entirely.
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My God even the smart people have lost it this week.

Nobody outside of the MEAC and SWAC is ever ineligible based off the APR. It’s literally next to zero. It’s impossible to botch unless your administration is working against you.

Every legitimate basketball school in the country solved this by ending the pretense they are there for school.

Why does everyone but UConn understand this?
 
whaler11 said:
My God even the smart people have lost it this week.

Nobody outside of the MEAC and SWAC is ever ineligible based off the APR. It’s literally next to zero. It’s impossible to botch unless your administration is working against you.

Every legitimate basketball school in the country solved this by ending the pretense they are there for school.

Why does everyone but UConn understand this?
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Let me do a whaler impression.

Moran, you're not even addressing the argument. This board is full of illiterate half-blood princes.

Of course our administration should rig the academics. Hopefully they are. For PR reasons and to maintain #casualfan illusions, we still need to have a Coach APR bonus.

But if we're paying the money, we might as well have the bonus do something. And the hair-brained idea of a bonus for just staying eligible still does nothing. We can at least have the coach try for a safety net if we accidentally grade stuff.
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Sorry, I slipped in a few Chief memes.
 
The only problem is it fuels the narrative that the APR is a legitimate measure and that we're apologetic for having run afoul of it. Why do we give people like Emmert credence? Giving KO his first contract because of first-semester grades in 2012 was the same way.
 
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