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College Soccer could leave the NCAA

I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.
 
ZooCougar said:
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I replied in the PAC 12 thread but belongs here.

This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better. Marshall belongs. The Big East including Akron belong. This proposal is just crazy.

www.ncaa.com

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
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Kolumbo said:
I replied in the PAC 12 thread but belongs here.

This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better. Marshall belongs. The Big East including Akron belong. This proposal is just crazy.

www.ncaa.com

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
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None of that stuff from the past matters. Just like our 6 championships may not matter.
 
upstater said:
I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.
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That simply doesn’t matter. The best “collegiate” players will gravitate to this new league.

Some of those schools like Akron may not even exist soon.
 
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I also noticed a post about a soccer meeting on the cuse board scheduled for the first week of March. Got me curious about what was going on.

syracusefan.com

Important Meeting Planned to Discuss the SU Men's Soccer Program (Featuring Coach Ian)

Update: The meeting will be held on Thursday night, March 6th at 7:30 PM. Expect an email from SUAD with meeting information in the new few days. A Microsoft teams meeting is being planned for a weekday night the first week of March to discuss the Syracuse Men's Soccer program. Anyone...
syracusefan.com syracusefan.com
 
ZooCougar said:
But SDSU is in.

They just don’t want us.
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Right?

I kept hearing about how I was crazy for thinking that we were on the wrong side of the coming divide so you can imagine my surprise here.
 
ZooCougar said:
None of that stuff from the past matters. Just like our 6 championships may not matter.
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I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.
 
Fishy said:
Right?

I kept hearing about how I was crazy for thinking that we were on the wrong side of the coming divide so you can imagine my surprise here.
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I was told by someone here that Big East would be part of the reckoning though.
 
Kolumbo said:
I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.
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Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.
 
ZooCougar said:
That simply doesn’t matter. The best “collegiate” players will gravitate to this new league.

Some of those schools like Akron may not even exist soon.
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Why would any college care if the best college players gravitate to their school? No one is watching
 
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Kolumbo said:
I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.
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He's so close to getting it.
 
upstater said:
Why would any college care if the best college players gravitate to their school? No one is watching
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Why are they considering forming a new league and seceding from the NCAA? One that is much better developmental platform. Not that this is particularly hard to do since NCAA men’s soccer has long been considered essentially a dead end.

I guess they do.
 
ZooCougar said:
Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.
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You don't make any sense. Why will soccer players gravitate to a soccer league which no one cares about? Basketball I get. Soccer, no. Why are soccer players gravitating to a program in West Virginia which plays in the Sun Belt? Why does Akron currently have the best program in Ohio while Cincy closed up shop? You are arguing both sides or neither side, I don't know which.
 
Kolumbo said:
You don't make any sense. Why will soccer players gravitate to a soccer league which no one cares about? Basketball I get. Soccer, no. Why are soccer players gravitating to a program in West Virginia which plays in the Sun Belt? Why does Akron currently have the best program in Ohio while Cincy closed up shop? You are arguing both sides or neither side, I don't know which.
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Because they are getting paid more.

For a Kolumbo you are an awful detective.
 
upstater said:
I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.
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And they will do it without hesitation
 
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ZooCougar said:
Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.
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Bingo. When those guys finish school they're headed right back to their home country's second and third divisions unless they want to join the work force
 
ZooCougar said:
Why are they considering forming a new league and seceding from the NCAA? One that is much better developmental platform. Not that this is particularly hard to do since NCAA men’s soccer has long been considered essentially a dead end.

I guess they do.
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This is what I'm asking. Why bother. Keep the $$ and pay for football and bball instead
 
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upstater said:
This is what I'm asking. Why bother. Keep the $$ and pay for football and bball instead
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Since the late 2010s a group of D1 men’s coaches have been pushing for reforms to make Men’s College more or actually relevant again in the soccer ecosystem.

The long pole in the tent was dispensing with a fall only season and going to Fall/Spring model so they could get more time developing players.

This of course never happened. The NCAA blew it off, many schools resisted the idea because soccer shares facilities with other sports, often women’s sports and there are too many scheduling conflicts.

This quite obviously is an outgrowth of that effort and the NCAA’s abject stubbornness to be stewards of the sport is driving these schools to secede.

They USL is involved with this, and the league would fall under the USSF Structure. It will probably be its own division or rolled into the 3rd or 4th Division.

My guess is that they will have a league competition plus they will participate in the US Open Cup competing against pro teams.
 
Kolumbo said:
I replied in the PAC 12 thread but belongs here.

This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better. Marshall belongs. The Big East including Akron belong. This proposal is just crazy.

www.ncaa.com

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
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2024 UVM beat Marshall not Akron
 
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