College Soccer could leave the NCAA

[ZooCougar]

How is the money going to work? Training, coaching, etc.?

This will require more resources from football.

Probably the same way all lower division soccer does. Run in the red. College Soccer is already a money loser anyways.

I saw Oregon State and SDSU are invited and we’re not. Great.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Probably the same way all lower division soccer does. Run in the red. College Soccer is already a money loser anyways.

I saw Oregon State and SDSU are invited and we’re not. Great.

And people really think they won’t lock the Big East out of March Madness

 

[WrenchFan69]

I saw Oregon State and SDSU are invited and we’re not. Great.

Gotta think that's at least somewhat a function of location? Having only 4 schools on the west coast wouldn't be ideal

 

[upstater]

Probably the same way all lower division soccer does. Run in the red. College Soccer is already a money loser anyways.

I saw Oregon State and SDSU are invited and we’re not. Great.

No, I mean expenditures for more games and more coaches, etc. Trainers and travel and food, etc.

In other words, more money needed for this.

And schools are doing this why?

 

[Fishy]

“UCONN WILL NEVER BE LEFT OUT!”

Oh, look, more plans that leave UConn out.

 

[upstater]

I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.

 

[ZooCougar]

“UCONN WILL NEVER BE LEFT OUT!”

Oh, look, more plans that leave UConn out.

But SDSU is in.

They just don’t want us.

 

[Kolumbo]

I replied in the PAC 12 thread but belongs here.

This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better. Marshall belongs. The Big East including Akron belong. This proposal is just crazy.

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.

www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
.......

 

[ZooCougar]

Gotta think that's at least somewhat a function of location? Having only 4 schools on the west coast wouldn't be ideal

That’s Copium.

 

[ZooCougar]

I replied in the PAC 12 thread but belongs here.

This would be extremely sad. Here are championship games which include teams not on that map. A lot more than I expected so I stopped at 1977. And this doesn't even include the semi-finals. Heck, the "other tournament" which excludes the Power conference programs would probably be better. Marshall belongs. The Big East including Akron belong. This proposal is just crazy.

DI Men's Soccer Championship History | NCAA.com

The complete list of NCAA Men's Soccer DI champions from the first season to today.

www.ncaa.com

2024 UVM over Akron
2020 Marshall over Indiana
2019 Georgetown over UVA
2018 Maryland over Akron
2012 Indiana over Georgetown
2010 Akron over Louisville
2009 UVA over Akron
2006 UC Santa Barbara over UCLA
2005 Maryland over New Mexico
2004 Indiana over UC Santa Barbara
2003 Indiana over St. John's
2000 UConn over Creighton
1999 Indiana over Santa Clara
1996 St. John's over FIU
1992 UVA over San Diego
1991 UVA over Santa Clara
1989 Santa Clara over Rutgers
1988 Indiana over Howard
1987 Clemson over San Diego State
1986 Duke over Akron
1985 UCLA over American
1983 Indiana over Columbia
1981 UConn over Alabama A&M
1980 San Francisco over Indiana
1979 SIU Edwardsville over Clemson
1978 San Francisco over Indiana
1977 Hartwick over San Francisco
.......

None of that stuff from the past matters. Just like our 6 championships may not matter.

 

[ZooCougar]

I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.

That simply doesn’t matter. The best “collegiate” players will gravitate to this new league.

Some of those schools like Akron may not even exist soon.

 

[Kolumbo]

I also noticed a post about a soccer meeting on the cuse board scheduled for the first week of March. Got me curious about what was going on.

Important Meeting Planned to Discuss the SU Men's Soccer Program (Featuring Coach Ian)

Update: The meeting will be held on Thursday night, March 6th at 7:30 PM. Expect an email from SUAD with meeting information in the new few days. A Microsoft teams meeting is being planned for a weekday night the first week of March to discuss the Syracuse Men's Soccer program. Anyone...

syracusefan.com

 

[Fishy]

But SDSU is in.

They just don’t want us.

Right?

I kept hearing about how I was crazy for thinking that we were on the wrong side of the coming divide so you can imagine my surprise here.

 

[Kolumbo]

None of that stuff from the past matters. Just like our 6 championships may not matter.

I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.

 

[ZooCougar]

Right?

I kept hearing about how I was crazy for thinking that we were on the wrong side of the coming divide so you can imagine my surprise here.

I was told by someone here that Big East would be part of the reckoning though.

 

[ZooCougar]

I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.

Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.

 

[upstater]

That simply doesn’t matter. The best “collegiate” players will gravitate to this new league.

Some of those schools like Akron may not even exist soon.

Why would any college care if the best college players gravitate to their school? No one is watching

 

[Fishy]

I know it doesn't matter to the power conferences but it does matter to soccer. I don't follow it closely enough to know recruiting and how much schools will pay soccer players. Somehow Marshall out there in West Virginia has players from Canada, Brazil, Japan, England, Denmark, France, Portugal, Serbia, Jersey. Some power programs probably still won't give a sheet about soccer. So what's the point of a 32 program league when there will likely be better programs outside of the league.

They are basically taking all current soccer programs from the P5. They should include the Big East just as we believe a Power split in basketball should include the Big East.

He's so close to getting it.

 

[ZooCougar]

Why would any college care if the best college players gravitate to their school? No one is watching

Why are they considering forming a new league and seceding from the NCAA? One that is much better developmental platform. Not that this is particularly hard to do since NCAA men’s soccer has long been considered essentially a dead end.

I guess they do.

 

[Kolumbo]

Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.

You don't make any sense. Why will soccer players gravitate to a soccer league which no one cares about? Basketball I get. Soccer, no. Why are soccer players gravitating to a program in West Virginia which plays in the Sun Belt? Why does Akron currently have the best program in Ohio while Cincy closed up shop? You are arguing both sides or neither side, I don't know which.

 

[ZooCougar]

You don't make any sense. Why will soccer players gravitate to a soccer league which no one cares about? Basketball I get. Soccer, no. Why are soccer players gravitating to a program in West Virginia which plays in the Sun Belt? Why does Akron currently have the best program in Ohio while Cincy closed up shop? You are arguing both sides or neither side, I don't know which.

Because they are getting paid more.

For a Kolumbo you are an awful detective.

 

[Ha Who]

Because they are getting paid more.

For a Kolumbo you are an awful detective.

I have wanted to say that for years

 

[Patman]

I just checked out the rankings of the top soccer schools in the last decade and was surprised to see that the Big East is actually really good.

Not just UConn, but Providence, Georgetown, Creighton, and Akron who affiliates, Butler too!

That's 6 teams in the top 40 being iced out.

And they will do it without hesitation

 

[Patman]

Say this to yourself repeatedly until you understand it.

College Soccer Doesn’t Matter

Start now.

All the players worth having will be in that league.

All of the internationals are just castoffs that couldn’t cut it as pros in whatever place they came from.

Bingo. When those guys finish school they're headed right back to their home country's second and third divisions unless they want to join the work force

 

[upstater]

Why are they considering forming a new league and seceding from the NCAA? One that is much better developmental platform. Not that this is particularly hard to do since NCAA men’s soccer has long been considered essentially a dead end.

I guess they do.

This is what I'm asking. Why bother. Keep the $$ and pay for football and bball instead