College point shaving indictments

[Mr. French]

Sad for my UB Bulls but that was a few years ago when they were awful, their squad is pretty good as a mid-major now and hopefully the riff raff is gone from the program.

 

[Horsebrnhil]

I certainly hope we NEVER see UConn players involved in any of this. Would totally suck! Personally I don’t like gambling, never have. I will say I always like when we don’t cover the spread, though. Gambling can make fans into a$&holes.

Tim, UCONN was involved. Not in this one but in the point shaving scandal of the 1960s. 2 players were charged. Yeah, yeah I know, old ancient history, another era. As was been said, here, it's the tip of the iceberg. Actions like this, the unfettered transfers, the huge NIL money, will rot the college game from the inside.

 

[thekollieman]

The Marquette/NC State game in 2024 was one of the fishiest games I can remember. Marquette was a 6.5 point favorite and the over/under was 151.5. This was a really good Marquette team.

Joplin and Mitchell simultaneously had the worst game I think I ever saw either of them have. During the season, Joplin shot 50% from 2 and 35.5% from 3. Mitchell was 63.1% and 26.5%. In that game, Joplin was 2-10 overall, 0-7 from 3, 0-3 from the free throw line. Mitchell was 2-8, 0-4, 4-5. They were a combined 0-11 from 3.

The thing that really stuck out about the game was the passing. They didn't turn the ball over much, but none of their passes were clean. Cam Jones could be wide open on the perimeter, and the pass would be at his knees or 2 feet to his left. Not bad enough to result in a turnover, but it was hard to catch and shoot off a really bad pass. There were probably 10 of those, maybe more. If I was going to fix a game, and I didn't want it to show up in the box score, that is how I would do it. Just be a little off with my passes, and my teammates either wouldn't take their shots or would take a contested one after they gathered it.

I watched the game with a buddy of mine, and we both saw the same thing. And you could hide huge bets on a Sweet 16 game and no one would catch it.

NC State 67-58 Marquette (Mar 29, 2024) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the NC State Wolfpack vs. Marquette Golden Eagles NCAAM game from March 29, 2024 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

I know people keep pointing out that there was gambling corruption before all the apps and ubiquity of sports gambling that we have today, but so long as we have it as available and promoted as it is now, things like this pattern you and your buddy noticed will always be legitimately suspicious. I’m not trying to pile on and accuse those players, but we seriously cannot assume it was above board because of, like you said, just how easy it’d be to get away with in that context. It’s a damn shame.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Good for you. Maybe more if you shuffled burgers at Wendy’s?

That would be a much less fun hobby.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I personally love the gambling on individual pitches in baseball games. Like the investigations into pitchers who spike one into the dirt 5 feet in front of the plate when there’s $500k riding on that pitch being a ball.

 

[Donyell 360]

Events are not binary. 100% of people don't need to dislike something for it to fail. Sometimes all it takes are 10 or 20% of people to abandon something for it to enter a doom loop. Do you think 20% of fans would abandon the sport if it was scripted?

If people think the game they are watching is scripted, yes, it will reduce viewing. But one of the reasons manipulators are choosing certain games to manipulate is because no one is watching them so easier to get away with it. The games that people watch are probably not being affected for reasons I have already stated.

But you are avoiding my response. You claimed I said "scripting games was good." I never said that and you haven't acknowledged misquoting me. Not sure if it was an honest mistake, trolling or lack of reading comprehension. If it was an honest mistake I would think you would just admit it.

 

[ucp990411]

Almost. Another reason I’m glad Etienne never committed. He’s one of the charged defendants.

We stopped recruiting him very early.

 

[ucp990411]

I personally love the gambling on individual pitches in baseball games. Like the investigations into pitchers who spike one into the dirt 5 feet in front of the plate when there’s $500k riding on that pitch being a ball.

And then the batter swings and misses so the pitch that was supposed to be a ball is a strike and the gambler loses. LOL

 

[ucp990411]

Nobody is throwing a Sweet 16 game.

Hmmm. Really?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If people think the game they are watching is scripted, yes, it will reduce viewing. But one of the reasons manipulators are choosing certain games to manipulate is because no one is watching them so easier to get away with it. The games that people watch are probably not being affected for reasons I have already stated.

But you are avoiding my response. You claimed I said "scripting games was good." I never said that and you haven't acknowledged misquoting me. Not sure if it was an honest mistake, trolling or lack of reading comprehension. If it was an honest mistake I would think you would just admit it.

I am making a point. 100 years of those running sports freaking out over gambling means they probably aren’t all wrong. This isn’t moralizing, this is about cash, and those running sports know there will be less of it if the games lose integrity.

 

[Donyell 360]

I am making a point. 100 years of those running sports freaking out over gambling means they probably aren’t all wrong. This isn’t moralizing, this is about cash, and those running sports know there will be less of it if the games lose integrity.

Feel free to make whatever point you like. Just don't misquote me. It doesn't actually help your argument. A strawman makes your argument weaker.