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College point shaving indictments

BGesus4 said:
Is it wrong that I’m upset that it’s all big east and mid to low majors #someonesaveus
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Assuming Platt above is correct, DePaul is the only Big East school to be exposed. And they’re basically mid major anyways
 
I can't imagine what these kids are being offered to rig games and the threats that come with it.
 
Wave your hand if you didn't see this coming when our leaders decided that gambling was an inalienable right.

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Drumguy said:
It's a real problem. I'm a CPA and I see a lot of people now coming in with gambling wins and losses - some addicted to gambling - all ages and genders.
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similarly I am an enrolled agent and many gamblers are asking about losses - keep referring them to hobby vs professional and if I don't see you on WSOP good luck passing an IRS audit!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A major school game is a lot easier to hide the action on. $10,000 could move a spread on a low major game. You could hide $1 million on a major conference game.
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And how much are the point shavers getting paid? Are they making a $1M over the course of the season?
NIL is guaranteed, legal money.
A player would need significantly more in gambling payments (vs NIL) to bear that risk.
 
I had some shady friends/acquaintances back in the day (my early 20s in the 90s). One of them got word that a couple guys on a lower level Big Ten team were shaving. I put $100 down on two games and won. I stopped after that.

Fast forward to the 4th or 5th game and a couple of the guys I knew took out most of their (small) savings. One guy "borrowed" like $10k from his parents without them knowing. We're all at a shore house getting updates on the scores from an espn ticker and planning on tearing up the bars with the winnings. The team is down big... but they start coming back. Apparently the coach pulled the two star players that were in on the shaving and the team made a valiant effort. Losing, but covering. Guys lost loads of money. I'm not sure I've bet on sports since then other than some group bets with friends while at casinos.

This has always happened, and it will keep happening. Ironically, what's hurting the game could help it. You generally need a good player to be the shaver. If a kid is making hundreds of thousands or more, he may be less apt to shave. And even the mid-majors may feel that they can make more money by performing well and transferring. I'd actually be surprised if there wasn't as much, or more, POINT (edited 😀) shaving going on in the women's game.
 
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Vowelguy said:
And how much are the point shavers getting paid? Are they making a $1M over the course of the season?
NIL is guaranteed, legal money.
A player would need significantly more in gambling payments (vs NIL) to bear that risk.
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At some of those schools $1M for NIL is greatly exaggerated. Gimme a bag with $10k and I got spending money…NIL is deposited into bank accounts or at min a check but has to be cashed so cash is still king
 
Newsflash: College sports is crooked. Always has been, always will be.

You can go back 50 years to players getting bags of money, girls, cars, etc. NIL helped with some of that, but I'm sure there is squishy NIL and non-NIL situations nowadays. You have recruiting violations, contacting players outside the rules. Coaches in cahoots with scumbag sneaker reps and agents. Players committing serious legal crimes (drunk driving, sexual allegations, etc) and somehow that getting swept under the rug.

The marketing of college sports is great with the yeah-rah-rah good ol' fashioned Americana playing to the masses...but make no mistake, it's always been and always will have a slimy undercurrent.
 
Deepster said:
Newsflash: College sports is crooked. Always has been, always will be.

You can go back 50 years to players getting bags of money, girls, cars, etc. NIL helped with some of that, but I'm sure there is squishy NIL and non-NIL situations nowadays. You have recruiting violations, contacting players outside the rules. Coaches in cahoots with scumbag sneaker reps and agents. Players committing serious legal crimes (drunk driving, sexual allegations, etc) and somehow that getting swept under the rug.

The marketing of college sports is great with the yeah-rah-rah good ol' fashioned Americana playing to the masses...but make no mistake, it's always been and always will have a slimy undercurrent.
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Can safely remove “college” and your post still rings true and broader.
 
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superjohn said:
Just the tip of the iceberg, it's everywhere in sports.

Meanwhile you still can't go anywhere without sports gambling being thrown in your face.
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There is a freaking casino in the PBA for Pete’s sake. There are sports talk shows on virtually every sports network about how to beat the bookies ( hint you can’t but those guys get paid to teach you anyway.).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This could nuke the sport. The market of fans interested in buying tickets to or watching a scripted basketball or football game is pretty small.
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I agree it is a serious problem but nuke the sport sounds a bit dramatic. That would require a far greater level of scripting than what this seem to involve. Only those who bet on sports care about these types of trivial outcomes like point spreads, overs, unders, individual stats, etc. True fans care about wins and losses. But the blue bloods care too much about winning and losing to be tempted by this.

I wonder too if the NIL money will help reduce the temptation. More money will always be a temptation for some, but it must at least curtail it somewhat, right? My guess is the ones being targeted are not making NIL money. But how much influence do they have on an outcome? There is a pretty small number who make no NIL and yet can change an outcome, particularly at the blue bloods.
 
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Too bad we've already played DePaul twice. It would be a fun in-game contest to see who can identify the point shavers!
 
John said:
it's really not - gambling has nuked programs, so why not an entire sport.
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People aren't going to stop watching UConn basketball because the outcome of the Fordham/LaSalle game might be rigged.
 
Donyell 360 said:
I agree it is a serious problem but nuke the sport sounds a bit dramatic. That would require a far greater level of scripting than what this seem to involve. Only those who bet on sports care about these types of trivial outcomes like point spreads, overs, unders, individual stats, etc. True fans care about wins and losses. But the blue bloods care too much about winning and losing to be tempted by this.

I wonder too if the NIL money will help reduce the temptation. More money will always be a temptation for some, but it must at least curtail it somewhat, right? My guess is the ones being targeted are not making NIL money. But how much influence do they have on an outcome? There is a pretty small number who make no NIL and yet can change an outcome, particularly at the blue bloods.
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Yes, there's a reason that these things are hard to detect -- they rarely impact the kind of outcomes that fans care about, i.e. wins and losses.
 
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