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RuffRuff said:
Is it Dan Hurley's responsibility to ensure your continued development once in the league or is his responsibility to get you drafted as high as possible? I'd opt for the latter. Dan Hurley is not the G League. His priority is to build winning rosters, to the program, the fans and the university.

He gives kids the stage, puts them in a position to win. He is not a magician or an alchemist. He got Jordan Hawkins & Andre Jackson drafted lottery & early second because they were part of a winner.

I'd argue that outside of McNeeley, he's gotten every kid the last few years drafted higher than they could have dreamed. Even Castle - who was the 10th ranked HS recruit yet second of that class to go in that draft (after Shephard).

Once you're in the league, with their resources & $$, it's on the kid to develop in areas they need to, not friggin Hurley's.

Ludicrous.
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Coaches have no responsibility to prepare the players properly for the NBA. Got it.
 
HW611 said:
Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.

50.7% from the above the break 3.
- 22% higher than the average D1 player

11% from midrange 2s
- 2% lower than the average D1 player

10% from in the paint
- 9% lower than the average D1 player

15.5% at the the rim
- 14.6% lower than the average D1 player

Let’s look at Solo for fun.

53.6% from above the break 3.
- 24% higher than the average D1 player

5% from midrange 2s
- 6% lower than the average D1 player

12% from in the paint
- 7% lower than the average D1 player

20% at the rim
- 11% lower than the average D1 player

Almost like these things are a trend or something

Here’s some pretty visual charts to go with it.
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Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.
 
HW611 said:
Coaches have no responsibility to prepare the players properly for the NBA. Got it.
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It's a coaches priority to create the best roster to win year over year, by getting the right players and developing those players for the system. Along the way, players should be developing their strengths. The cream should rise naturally. Hurley shouldn't be deliberately running a system of iso ball to tailor to NBA translation, or working with players one on one with a focus on their NBA game, while in college - give.me.a.break.

Cal runs a system that translates to the NBA - by rolling it out there and telling 18 year olds to "go". Does that win? Is he doing a better job at the college level than Hurley? He does pump out a ton of NBA players (mainly because he's hoarded top 10 freshmen). Last I looked, UK ran him out of town and made Hurley an offer because they were sick of Cal's system because they want to win, not just be an NBA minor league system.

You are just following the wrong program dude. There are a few out there that are more of your design (Duke, Ark, Marquette).
 
Gurleyman said:
Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.
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The statement was that he did more than shoot 3s. I show stats and facts to show not really.

Boneyard comes moving the goal post.
 
Nameless said:
I'll be the first to acknowledge I haven't watched the NBA much for the past 5-6 years. So perhaps I'm missing something. But I don't understand why some people speak of Hawkins as if he's a bust already (not saying that's what you're doing, just talking about the general sentiment.) He's shown flashes of being a really productive scorer, but he's streaky. That's exactly who he was at UConn his sophomore year. It's crazy to look back at his stats and see he shot a tick under 41% overall that season, because he is such a sniper when he's on. But there were some games he was just off, as well as some games where he was off most of the game but was able to shoot himself out of it towards the end. The numbers reflect that. I get that his shooting splits are even lower in the NBA, but he is still just under 35% from deep through 2 seasons and was over 36% his first season. The potential as a shooter is still there, as he's only 23.

Again, I haven't watched the Pelicans or the NBA much for awhile. I'm unsure of the exact role he plays for the team. But I think he could maybe benefit from going to a team that has no playoff hopes for a season and being one of the core players. Not necessarily a star, but a guy playing 30min/night on a team that is just looking to develop young guys and get a good draft slot as they reset/rebuild.
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Jordan Hawkins is a specialist, 3 pt shooting. He's shown little else in his game. Jordan Hawkins shot 33% from 3 last year. Al Horford shot better than that from 3 the last 10 years, over 40% in a couple years. When you're a specialist at something, you have to be really good at it.

And it's Hurley's fault Hawkins is one dimesional two years out. We really got to get Hurley out of here. The guy is all about winning at the college level, leaving lasting memories for Uconn fans, and not nearly enough about the journey of making our guys great NBA players. Guy needs to go ASAP. I Jeff Calhoun coaching these days, available?
 
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HW611 said:
Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.

50.7% from the above the break 3.
- 22% higher than the average D1 player

11% from midrange 2s
- 2% lower than the average D1 player

10% from in the paint
- 9% lower than the average D1 player

15.5% at the the rim
- 14.6% lower than the average D1 player

Let’s look at Solo for fun.

53.6% from above the break 3.
- 24% higher than the average D1 player

5% from midrange 2s
- 6% lower than the average D1 player

12% from in the paint
- 7% lower than the average D1 player

20% at the rim
- 11% lower than the average D1 player

Almost like these things are a trend or something

Here’s some pretty visual charts to go with it.
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LOL isn't that kinda what you'd want to see from your 3pt shooting snipers? Those numbers don't really prove your point as much as you think they do. ~40% of their shots weren't from 3!!!

Love those graphics though!

Anyways, maybe we should take this nonsense to a different thread and not crap up the Landrew thread.
 
Gurleyman said:
Wow. We have kids play to their strengths more than their weaknesses. Shocking. It’s like we’re trying to selfishly win games for our own benefit or something.
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If HW611 was our coach, he'd be playing all our freshman development players big minutes during crucial BE games, deliberately losing them so we can "better develop NBA players". And having all the players do tennis ball dribbling drills while seated on the bench.

The only think HW611 and I have in common is our bromance with Ross. ;-)
 
HW611 said:
The statement was that he did more than shoot 3s. I show stats and facts to show not really.

Boneyard comes moving the goal post.
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I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just unwittingly obtuse.

You previously screenshotted two graphics that directly refute your reply above.
 
JustbrewitMan said:
If HW611 was our coach, he'd be playing all our freshman development players big minutes during crucial BE games, deliberately losing them so we can "better develop NBA players". And having all the players do tennis ball dribbling drills while seated on the bench.

The only think HW611 and I have in common is our bromance with Ross. ;-)
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Solo and Reibe would be running point, Jayden Ross would be starting 2 guard.
 
pj said:
We're first!

(I thought it might be alphabetical but Ole Miss is to the right of Purdue. So maybe order is meaningful.)
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While I try not to look into these things too much, I had the same thought. All reports I've heard are it's down to us and Louisville. Those are the 2 first teams with the good guys out in front... Fingers crossed. I really like Landrew
 
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JustbrewitMan said:
I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just unwittingly obtuse.

You previously screenshotted two graphics that directly refute your reply above.
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C'mon man - we need Solo out there running point because if JC was here he'd be sculpting him into the next Russ. He'd be nursing from the JC teet as a wee frosh, soaking in all those PG enzymes while being blindfolded dribbling a basketball rolled in butter, and juggling a bowling pin in the other hand. Don't you know that JC was all about development? The winning, eh, that came because everyone was developed. JC treated his program like basketball puberty - you'd come in with none and leave with a full set with basketballs dangling from the ends.

Screw Silas and Smith, let those stale transfers ride the pine. What we need right now to maximize this groups NBA potential is for Solo to be weaving and spinning through the lane with his newly taught handle.

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RuffRuff said:
Jordan Hawkins is a specialist, 3 pt shooting. He's shown little else in his game. Jordan Hawkins shot 33% from 3 last year. Al Horford shot better than that from 3 the last 10 years, over 40% in a couple years. When you're a specialist at something, you have to be really good at it.

And it's Hurley's fault Hawkins is one dimesional two years out. We really got to get Hurley out of here. The guy is all about winning at the college level, leaving lasting memories for Uconn fans, and not nearly enough about the journey of making our guys great NBA players. Guy needs to go ASAP. I Jeff Calhoun coaching these days, available?
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I do realize he's a specialist, and at this point he has shown little to make anyone think he's more than that. I know the 33% is bad. But he was at 36.6% the year before, which isn't. It was still on over 4 attempts per game too which isn't a small sample size and only 1 less attempt than this past season. I think Hawkins is a good shooter, but even elite shooters have down seasons (Lillard was over 40% for 2 seasons combined then shot 32% out of nowhere one season in Portland) so I can see this past season being a "sophomore slump" if you will.

I was more making the point he seems to be the type of guy that needs minutes and shots to be effective. It's why I mentioned him having poor shooting games here that he shot himself out of as the game went on. Case in point, his first 7 games last year he played over 31mpg and averaged about 17.6ppg on 37.5% from deep. His minutes fell off after that and his shooting percentages followed. IIRC, the same thing happened his rookie season when some vets returned from injuries early in the year. A counterpoint to all of this is his minutes did increase again towards the end of the season, but overall the numbers didn't climb back up to where they were early in the year (10.7ppg, 33.7% in about 25mpg.)

I just think some people are too hard on him. He can play, just think he needs to keep developing and for that he needs consistent minutes. I still think his floor is having a long career as a shooter off the bench, and he has the potential to grow into a starter on a good team.

My comment had nothing to do with you and 611's argument, so unsure why you included the second part.
 
Nameless said:
I'll be the first to acknowledge I haven't watched the NBA much for the past 5-6 years. So perhaps I'm missing something. But I don't understand why some people speak of Hawkins as if he's a bust already (not saying that's what you're doing, just talking about the general sentiment.) He's shown flashes of being a really productive scorer, but he's streaky. That's exactly who he was at UConn his sophomore year. It's crazy to look back at his stats and see he shot a tick under 41% overall that season, because he is such a sniper when he's on. But there were some games he was just off, as well as some games where he was off most of the game but was able to shoot himself out of it towards the end. The numbers reflect that. I get that his shooting splits are even lower in the NBA, but he is still just under 35% from deep through 2 seasons and was over 36% his first season. The potential as a shooter is still there, as he's only 23.

Again, I haven't watched the Pelicans or the NBA much for awhile. I'm unsure of the exact role he plays for the team. But I think he could maybe benefit from going to a team that has no playoff hopes for a season and being one of the core players. Not necessarily a star, but a guy playing 30min/night on a team that is just looking to develop young guys and get a good draft slot as they reset/rebuild.
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People speak of him as being a bust because he's been a bust so far. All he does is shoot and he's bad at it. He was tied for the worst shooter in the league last season.

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Nameless said:
I do realize he's a specialist, and at this point he has shown little to make anyone think he's more than that. I know the 33% is bad. But he was at 36.6% the year before, which isn't. It was still on over 4 attempts per game too which isn't a small sample size and only 1 less attempt than this past season. I think Hawkins is a good shooter, but even elite shooters have down seasons (Lillard was over 40% for 2 seasons combined then shot 32% out of nowhere one season in Portland) so I can see this past season being a "sophomore slump" if you will.

I was more making the point he seems to be the type of guy that needs minutes and shots to be effective. It's why I mentioned him having poor shooting games here that he shot himself out of as the game went on. Case in point, his first 7 games last year he played over 31mpg and averaged about 17.6ppg on 37.5% from deep. His minutes fell off after that and his shooting percentages followed. IIRC, the same thing happened his rookie season when some vets returned from injuries early in the year. A counterpoint to all of this is his minutes did increase again towards the end of the season, but overall the numbers didn't climb back up to where they were early in the year (10.7ppg, 33.7% in about 25mpg.)

I just think some people are too hard on him. He can play, just think he needs to keep developing and for that he needs consistent minutes. I still think his floor is having a long career as a shooter off the bench, and he has the potential to grow into a starter on a good team.

My comment had nothing to do with you and 611's argument, so unsure why you included the second part.
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The 36% by NBA standards is pretty low.
 
HW611 said:
Jordan Hawkins total FGA% that year.

50.7% from the above the break 3.
- 22% higher than the average D1 player

11% from midrange 2s
- 2% lower than the average D1 player

10% from in the paint
- 9% lower than the average D1 player

15.5% at the the rim
- 14.6% lower than the average D1 player

Let’s look at Solo for fun.

53.6% from above the break 3.
- 24% higher than the average D1 player

5% from midrange 2s
- 6% lower than the average D1 player

12% from in the paint
- 7% lower than the average D1 player

20% at the rim
- 11% lower than the average D1 player

Almost like these things are a trend or something

Here’s some pretty visual charts to go with it.
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talk about fabricated statistics.....than the average D1 player? or the average D1 SHOOTING GUARD??

I bet we all know the answer to that

This is what is known as Data Mining. No one is falling for it. But keep going.....you somehow continue to establish new lows for yourself
 
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husky429 said:
Andre was done developing. He is the player he is, basically. He just isn't wired to score.

Donovan is killing it in the league.

Hawkins not being able to shoot in the league was a surprise to most folks. He's just not big enough for the league. A year at UConn wouldn't have changed that.
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I guess we have a different idea of killing it. Hawkins problems are lack of confidence. His stroke is amazing. Another year could have solved that issue. His 3 point percentage Was 38 percent at uconn? Stroke says 45.
 
Fan1978 said:
I guess we have a different idea of killing it. Hawkins problems are lack of confidence. His stroke is amazing. Another year could have solved that issue. His 3 point percentage Was 38 percent at uconn? Stroke says 45.
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Hawkins takes a lot of contested 3s off of movement. He did the same here, but the guys he was shooting over weren't for the most part NBA level defenders.
 
JustbrewitMan said:
I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just unwittingly obtuse.

You previously screenshotted two graphics that directly refute your reply above.
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Learning that being below D1 average at something is satisfactory now.

Got it.
 
RuffRuff said:
C'mon man - we need Solo out there running point because if JC was here he'd be sculpting him into the next Russ. He'd be nursing from the JC teet as a wee frosh, soaking in all those PG enzymes while being blindfolded dribbling a basketball rolled in butter, and juggling a bowling pin in the other hand. Don't you know that JC was all about development? The winning, eh, that came because everyone was developed. JC treated his program like basketball puberty - you'd come in with none and leave with a full set with basketballs dangling from the ends.

Screw Silas and Smith, let those stale transfers ride the pine. What we need right now to maximize this groups NBA potential is for Solo to be weaving and spinning through the lane with his newly taught handle.

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Fan1978 said:
I guess we have a different idea of killing it. Hawkins problems are lack of confidence. His stroke is amazing. Another year could have solved that issue. His 3 point percentage Was 38 percent at uconn? Stroke says 45.
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He's never been a 40% three point shooter and he shot 50% from three in the NCAA tournament. His stock was as high as it was going to get and he would've been a fool if he came back.
 
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Nameless said:
I'll be the first to acknowledge I haven't watched the NBA much for the past 5-6 years. So perhaps I'm missing something. But I don't understand why some people speak of Hawkins as if he's a bust already (not saying that's what you're doing, just talking about the general sentiment.) He's shown flashes of being a really productive scorer, but he's streaky. That's exactly who he was at UConn his sophomore year. It's crazy to look back at his stats and see he shot a tick under 41% overall that season, because he is such a sniper when he's on. But there were some games he was just off, as well as some games where he was off most of the game but was able to shoot himself out of it towards the end. The numbers reflect that. I get that his shooting splits are even lower in the NBA, but he is still just under 35% from deep through 2 seasons and was over 36% his first season. The potential as a shooter is still there, as he's only 23.

Again, I haven't watched the Pelicans or the NBA much for awhile. I'm unsure of the exact role he plays for the team. But I think he could maybe benefit from going to a team that has no playoff hopes for a season and being one of the core players. Not necessarily a star, but a guy playing 30min/night on a team that is just looking to develop young guys and get a good draft slot as they reset/rebuild.
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Maybe because the Pels acquired several players that play his position since drafting him.
 
superjohn said:
He's never been a 40% three point shooter and he shot 50% from three in the NCAA tournament. His stock was as high as it was going to get and he would've been a fool if he came back.
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If you’re a lock for the first round, you go. I don’t care if you’re not “ready”, which is subjective. You figure out how to advance your game with top of the line coaches at the NBA level.

Hurley’s only job is to get you drafted, after than it’s on the kid. You telling me all these NBA stars killing it from UK are because of Cals one year of “development”? It’s hogwash.
 
Fan1978 said:
I guess we have a different idea of killing it. Hawkins problems are lack of confidence. His stroke is amazing. Another year could have solved that issue. His 3 point percentage Was 38 percent at uconn? Stroke says 45.
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I said Clingan is killing it and then you talked about Hawkins. You lost me, buddy.
 
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