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Huskybass said:
I like your enthusiasm, but UConn is nowhere near Villanova currently even if we include UConn's 2014 national championship season. Nova has been in the tournament all 5 of the past 5 seasons, has also won a national championship and is ranked in the top 25 most of the time. UConn has only made the tourney twice in that span and is hardly ever ranked except for in pre season polls. If UConn can get back to that level in the near future, I will be thrilled.
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Or, you can go back 6 years instead of 5, you have 2 national championships for UConn, 13 NCAA victories, while Villanova has 1 championship, 9 victories.

Villanova has only advanced beyond the first weekend once in that time.
UConn has advanced beyond twice, and this occurred in a period when UConn was banned for APR one year (when it should have been a tourney team), and also docked scholarships. Not to mention players were given a free pass to leave without sitting a year.
 
Huskybass said:
Ok, Stairmaster. I hope you continue to enjoy those 5th and 6th place finishes in the AAC and losing to teams like East Carolina. I have much higher expectations for this once elite program.
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You're whacked. I hate those 5th and 6th place finishes as does everyone else but they don't hang their hats on all the negative BS. I think I've seen them win and became very tough on even Calhoun during NIT or down seasons. And this one was maybe the worst ever but it's over nothing anyone can do but hope it changes. Certainly doesn't so any good to continue the negative onslaught you have enjoyed over the last 6-7 months that's for sure. I mean you do realize you hardly ever say anything positive, if you have? Amazing.
 
Huskybass said:
I like your enthusiasm, but UConn is nowhere near Villanova currently even if we include UConn's 2014 national championship season. Nova has been in the tournament all 5 of the past 5 seasons, has also won a national championship and is ranked in the top 25 most of the time. UConn has only made the tourney twice in that span and is hardly ever ranked except for in pre season polls. If UConn can get back to that level in the near future, I will be thrilled.
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God forbid you include the 2014 NC season. And if you did include it you would say "...horrible regular season, won the AAC tourney and if it wasn't for Brimah we should've been out against St Joes" Good?

That would be way too positive and we're on your timeline of "3 horrendous years" anyway because that's how you roll.;)
 
upstater said:
Or, you can go back 6 years instead of 5, you have 2 national championships for UConn, 13 NCAA victories, while Villanova has 1 championship, 9 victories.

Villanova has only advanced beyond the first weekend once in that time.
UConn has advanced beyond twice, and this occurred in a period when UConn was banned for APR one year (when it should have been a tourney team), and also docked scholarships. Not to mention players were given a free pass to leave without sitting a year.
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Ummm, No. UConn didn't do anything in 2012. That's going back 6 seasons. If you want to extend it back to 2011 and 7 seasons, that's too far back to have any real bearing on the current state of the program.

Nova has made the tournament 5 straight years and is usually ranked. When compared to UConn's record over the same span, there is a pretty big disparity. This has to have an effect on recruiting and perception on a national level. Nova is clearly in a much better place than UConn right now having won 149 games over the past 5 years compared to UConn's 113 wins during that span. Use 1 year, 3 years, or 5 years and you will see by any objective measure Nova has been the better program.
 
mauconnfan said:
God forbid you include the 2014 NC season. And if you did include it you would say "...horrible regular season, won the AAC tourney and if it wasn't for Brimah we should've been out against St Joes" Good?

That would be way too positive and we're on your timeline of "3 horrendous years" anyway because that's how you roll.;)
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I did include the 2014 season. If you actually read my posts you would see that I included 2014 so as to include UConn's best season under KO in the comparison.

And I certainly don't place any disclaimers on the 2014 championship or the excellent job KO did in his 20 win first season. He did a great job those two seasons. No argument. But the results the past three seasons have been mediocre at best by any objective standard.
 
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Huskybass said:
I did include the 2014 season. If you actually read my posts you would see that I included 2014 so as to include UConn's best season under KO in the comparison.

And I certainly don't place any disclaimers on the 2014 championship or the excellent job KO did in his 20 win first season. He did a great job those two seasons. No argument. But the results the past three seasons have been mediocre at best by any objective standard.
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Mediocre at best is correct. Needs to change.

I'm done here. Let's move on
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
Thanks. That's crazy. Well good for us then!

I followed up and said I didn't have the stats for it so I could be wrong which I obviously was.
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Have to say I have no idea how this stat is realized? We were dreadfully consistent with the lob to our 5 who couldn't pass. If you weren't holding your breath overtime they lobbed it on from under their own basket you weren't watching closely. There were some very good plays run from the side in though which is strange.
 
mauconnfan said:
You have so much fun with this it's ridiculous. The "..(smu was ineligible by the way) resulted in an early match up with Kansas and we got TROUNCED" is really pitiful. To call yourself a fan is hilarious. I mean I get the opinion you have of the last 3 years but the way you continuously pound it into oblivion should be embarrassing to you but I am sure it's not. You are a fan I assure, if you can call someone who loves his teams "demise" in his eyes. Ok I get it!
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Holy overreaction. I honestly don't see how anything he said in that bolded and blue text was in any way factually incorrect. Maybe it could be phrases more politely but does that warrant this kind of reaction? He clearly explained his reasoning that UConn has over 25 years of success to logically and rationally be able toset his standard and relative expectation for the future. Winning the conference tourney in 2016 didn't undo an entire season of underperformance, and he is also 100% correct that underperformance results in unfavorable seeding. We had to play the #1 overall seed in the second game and we just weren't manned for that task, these are all facts. Do you seriously go off on someone who is reasoning his post that wasn't hostile or even aimed at you just to earn some brownie points here? Kind of pathetic.
 
mauconnfan said:
Have to say I have no idea how this stat is realized? We were dreadfully consistent with the lob to our 5 who couldn't pass. If you weren't holding your breath overtime they lobbed it on from under their own basket you weren't watching closely. There were some very good plays run from the side in though which is strange.
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Yeah I never would've guessed that. Always seems like we never get an easy hoop off our inbounds plays. But however they calculate it, were good at it I guess.
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
He recruited and helped develop IT and Fultz.

Good reputation. Expectations are high. Results tbd
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Thanks but I know that. I went to this thread thinking it would have something to do with the thread's title. But no luck. Thought I would learn what kids he is connected to.
 
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Huskybass said:
Ummm, No. UConn didn't do anything in 2012. That's going back 6 seasons. If you want to extend it back to 2011 and 7 seasons, that's too far back to have any real bearing on the current state of the program.

Nova has made the tournament 5 straight years and is usually ranked. When compared to UConn's record over the same span, there is a pretty big disparity. This has to have an effect on recruiting and perception on a national level. Nova is clearly in a much better place than UConn right now having won 149 games over the past 5 years compared to UConn's 113 wins during that span. Use 1 year, 3 years, or 5 years and you will see by any objective measure Nova has been the better program.
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Use the years that make UConn look horrible and UConn looks horrible. Genius.
 
upstater said:
Use the years that make UConn look horrible and UConn looks horrible. Genius.
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Take your pick, 1 year, 3 years or 5 years and look for yourself. Thats the entirety of KO's tenure or as short as last season. You pick. Nova has simply been better over any of those stretches. Doesn't make me a genius, just makes me aware of the facts.
 
David 76 said:
Thanks but I know that. I went to this thread thinking it would have something to do with the thread's title. But no luck. Thought I would learn what kids he is connected to.
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Excellent point David76 - So here are a couple for you:

1. Chillious has significantly enhanced our recruiting connection to Luguentz Dort, a 6'4" shooting guard, born in Canada now playing in Orlando, Florida. He is a solid 4* who on the 247 Composite is ranked as high as # 17 (Rivals #38). There is another thread started earlier this evening stating that Kevin Ollie was watching his AAU game tonight. From the articles quoted we are one of the eight to 10 schools at the top of his list "recruiting him the hardest". As was stated on that thread, Dort is right in the top tier of our 2018 recruiting wish list... which is great with me because he is tough and fearless - the kind of characteristics we all love to see in our players, particularly our guards.

2. Coach Chillious is also the reason we are on Isaiah Mucius' list, a 4* 6'8" Small Forward/Wing from the St. James School in Hagerstown, Maryland. Chillious has strong contacts in the Maryland/D.C. area, in addition to other places.

Figure that you will see more recruits mention Chillious by name when UConn is connected to them during and right after the July recruiting period.

I hope this helps, for starters.
 
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Thanks Studmuffin!
Isn't he also the reason we were so close with Wilson too?
 
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While it's great being one of 10 schools recruiting Dortz or Mucius, Chillious was brought in to close on these type of players which given his hype, pedigree, and UCONN's brand he should be able to. I like Chillious and think he will add more to our staff than Killings, but this is a results oriented business.

Let's hope he can because relying on transfers, and Chippola College for recruits is not going to cut it for us. We need a big 2018 recruiting class for sure, and more than anything we need to close not come second or third fiddle and pat ourselves on the back for it.
 
Huskybass said:
Take your pick, 1 year, 3 years or 5 years and look for yourself. Thats the entirety of KO's tenure or as short as last season. You pick. Nova has simply been better over any of those stretches. Doesn't make me a genius, just makes me aware of the facts.
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I did take my pick. 7 years.

UConn is better.
 
David 76 said:
Thanks Studmuffin!
Isn't he also the reason we were so close with Wilson too?
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Yes. Things had cooled between us and Wilson until Chillious got here and helped to move us into that 3-horse race. As Huskymagic is saying though, there are no prizes or points for 2nd place in a recruiting race.


Huskymagic said:
While it's great being one of 10 schools recruiting Dortz or Mucius, Chillious was brought in to close on these type of players which given his hype, pedigree, and UConn's brand he should be able to. I like Chillious and think he will add more to our staff than Killings, but this is a results oriented business.

Let's hope he can because relying on transfers, and Chippola College for recruits is not going to cut it for us. We need a big 2018 recruiting class for sure, and more than anything we need to close not come second or third fiddle and pat ourselves on the back for it.
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Huskymagic, my reply to David76 made no point to support Chillious for getting us into the top 10 with Dort, Mucius or anyone else. I was just sharing information to help answer David's good question that was trying to get this particular thread back on track to what was, you know, the original OP of the thread.

I do agree that we can not begin to judge the results of Chillious' hire until we see what happens with this and next year's recruiting classes. I believe that virtually all of us hope he proves to be the step up we need to bring our across-the-board talent level and depth back to where we all want it to be.
 
Huskybass said:
I don't measure the success of the season relative to Cincy. I have much higher expectations than that given the 25 year run the program had from 1990 through 2014. I use the last three seasons because they are the most recent and most relevant in terms of the program's current place on the national scene. If a program spends the majority or entire regular season unranked, it certainly has a huge effect on an ncaa bid and seeding.
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BUConn10 said:
Holy overreaction. I honestly don't see how anything he said in that bolded and blue text was in any way factually incorrect. Maybe it could be phrases more politely but does that warrant this kind of reaction? He clearly explained his reasoning that UConn has over 25 years of success to logically and rationally be able toset his standard and relative expectation for the future. Winning the conference tourney in 2016 didn't undo an entire season of underperformance, and he is also 100% correct that underperformance results in unfavorable seeding. We had to play the #1 overall seed in the second game and we just weren't manned for that task, these are all facts. Do you seriously go off on someone who is reasoning his post that wasn't hostile or even aimed at you just to earn some brownie points here? Kind of pathetic.
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I'm down with high expectations. I always have them for my teams [the difference with me is that I don't piss and moan so much when they don't meet them].

But I do think people have to recognize that the 'realistic' level UCONN can reach will not be as high as the JC years. It's conference yes, but more that, as we all know, JC is truly an all time coach. A legit argument for a Top 5 ever coach. I mean, who, from ALL candidates in the country, could deliver those results? K? Cal? Roy? The only one I'd truly bet on would be K.

If you are expecting JC-like results, you will perpetually disappointed. That's a guarantee.
 
intlzncster said:
I'm down with high expectations. I always have them for my teams [the difference with me is that I don't piss and moan so much when they don't meet them].

But I do think people have to recognize that the 'realistic' level UConn can reach will not be as high as the JC years. It's conference yes, but more that, as we all know, JC is truly an all time coach. A legit argument for a Top 5 ever coach. I mean, who, from ALL candidates in the country, could deliver those results? K? Cal? Roy? The only one I'd truly bet on would be K.

If you are expecting JC-like results, you will perpetually disappointed. That's a guarantee.
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My only expectation is that the team competes for a regular-season title in the AAC and makes the tournament most years and is relevant on the national level. That's all I expect. I don't think that those are unrealistic expectations given the 25-year run of the program from 1990 through 2014.
 
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intlzncster said:
I'm down with high expectations. I always have them for my teams [the difference with me is that I don't piss and moan so much when they don't meet them].

But I do think people have to recognize that the 'realistic' level UConn can reach will not be as high as the JC years. It's conference yes, but more that, as we all know, JC is truly an all time coach. A legit argument for a Top 5 ever coach. I mean, who, from ALL candidates in the country, could deliver those results? K? Cal? Roy? The only one I'd truly bet on would be K.

If you are expecting JC-like results, you will perpetually disappointed. That's a guarantee.
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Again, another point being missed. At no point was JC level accomplishment even mentioned.

But I do know one thing as a fact. Finishing 6th place in the AAC and having 10 loss season after 10 loss season is NOT the answer to your "If you are expecting JC-like results" statement. That would mean a title every 4 years, and I don't think a single poster, even the most negative, has ever expressed that requirement.
 
Huskybass said:
You are incredibly obtuse. I have no idea how you make it through the day.
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Yes, because I don't excel at cherrypicking stats like you. Everyone wants to forget the national championship in 2014. It just doesn't exist. Oh yeah.

Great Jay Wright finally finally finally got his team to play past the first weekend (after decades) and then he reverted to form.
 
upstater said:
Yes, because I don't excel at cherrypicking stats like you. Everyone wants to forget the national championship in 2014. It just doesn't exist. Oh yeah.

Great Jay Wright finally finally finally got his team to play past the first weekend (after decades) and then he reverted to form.
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It's the years after the championship we all want to forget.
 
EBonz30 said:
Obviously it's very early, but can a top recruiter have a worst start at a program than Chill has had?
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I'm definitely not in the "this is fine" crowd but Chillious basically jumped on a ship that was not sinking - it had crashed on the rocks and was engulfed in flames while being looted. I didn't expect a hell of a lot from him in terms of spring signings - I don't even know how you sell kids on this dumpster fire, although a kid being willing to spend 4 years in Lubbock, Texas rather than come to UConn is troubling. If next season's recruiting follows suit then you can take all the shots you want.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I'm definitely not in the "this is fine" crowd but Chillious basically jumped on a ship that was not sinking - it had crashed on the rocks and was engulfed in flames while being looted. I didn't expect a hell of a lot from him in terms of spring signings - I don't even know how you sell kids on this dumpster fire, although a kid being willing to spend 4 years in Lubbock, Texas rather than come to UConn is troubling. If next season's recruiting follows suit then you can take all the shots you want.
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They have 12 months to turn it around. If not, Chillious may be swept out the door along with KO. It took some balls for him to jump into this situation, but he needs to start showing results.
 
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