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The funny thing is, at least half the blocked shots that stay in play usually land right in the hands of a wide open opposing player, and then end up being an easy two for them.
 
Chief00 said:
How do you reach that conclusion? I said Killings showed the statistic to KO then KO made the adjustment.
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From YOU!!! You are the one that has been spouting off for weeks about Miller's faulty defenses. You are precious Chief.
 
king conn said:
The funny thing is, at least half the blocked shots that stay in play usually land right in the hands of a wide open opposing player, and then end up being an easy two for them.
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Blocks in play at least have a chance of being recovered by the defense.

Blocks out of play go back to the offensive team 100% of the time. And, yesterday, several of those blocks were converted into points on that same possession (including at least one 3).

So, yes, those blocks out of bounds primarily serve to enhance one's highlight reel, but don't do much to help the team.
 
intlzncster said:
I was thinking the same thing. Bill Russell. Yeah, that's a reasonable barometer.
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Learn from the best - Mr. Russell. Brimah intentionally blocks shots out of bounds - it looks great to the Casual Fan - but it's not as effective as blocking it to a teammate to start the break. Flashy for the Casual Fan or effective so your team will win? Take your pick!
 
intlzncster said:
It was this statement that prompted my comment:

We miss the macho man on man where you follow your guy no matter where he goes. In all due respect - that's defense! Again I believe Miller's focus is wrong.
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Miller has been the one pushing the gimmick zones this season - my point was KO made the adjustment on Milton based on input from Killings not Miller.
Just go back one game to Houston when Miller was bragging at halftime about how effective his gimmick zones were; of course they got buried in the second half.
 
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intlzncster said:
I was thinking the same thing. Bill Russell. Yeah, that's a reasonable barometer.
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Chief's a Celtics fan, not a UConn fan - Bill Russell is quite possibly his only frame of reference.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Blocks in play at least have a chance of being recovered by the defense.

Blocks out of play go back to the offensive team 100% of the time. And, yesterday, several of those blocks were converted into points on that same possession (including at least one 3).

So, yes, those blocks out of bounds primarily serve to enhance one's highlight reel, but don't do much to help the team.
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You can defend an inbounds. When the block goes right to the offense, the defenders are out of position and it often leads to an easy bucket.
 
Stairmaster said:
Chief's a Celtics fan, not a UConn fan - Bill Russell is quite possibly his only frame of reference.
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UConn season tickets for 27 years. If you don't appreciate Bill Russell you don't appreciate basketball; the way it should be played.
 
king conn said:
You can defend an inbounds. When the block goes right to the offense, the defenders are out of position and it often leads to an easy bucket.
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If you are truly a good shot blocker it's not random.
 
Honestly, who cares. For every block he gets he gives up multiple offensive rebounds and put backs.

SE needs a huge offseason to be ready for the 25+ minutes/game next year.

imno1 said:
There are many reasons to beat up on AB but shot blocking shouldn't be one. We will miss that ability next year.
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Chief00 said:
Miller has been the one pushing the gimmick zones this season - my point was KO made the adjustment on Milton based on input from Killings not Miller.
Just go back one game to Houston when Miller was bragging at halftime about how effective his gimmick zones were; of course they got buried in the second half.
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Wrong on a couple of counts here. First, a blocked shot that goes out of bounds isn't ideal but isn't completely useless. It makes the offense start from the top in running their sets with a limited shot clock, makes anyone driving to the rim think twice, makes an offense completely readjust if it happens multiple times, etc. Would it be great if every single time he blocked the ball into a Huskies' hands? Sure. But look no further than Sampson's comments the other night on their emphasis of taking away his shot blocking ability as a key to beating our defense to see the effect it has on opposing game plans. I'm as big a critic as the next nut on this site about Brimah, but his shot blocking is one thing that, even with the frustrations I have with him stupidly leaving his man sometimes, is still a great part of our D.

Also, gimmicky zones? I don't know if Miller stole your lunch money in high school, but the continued attacks on him are getting pathetic. When we go zone, which is rarely, it's usually a consequence of the fact that we have 7 scholarship players right now, the kids are exhausted, and we're trying to maximize Brimah's effectiveness while limiting the other team's perimeter shooting.
 
PAHusky said:
Wrong on a couple of counts here. First, a blocked shot that goes out of bounds isn't ideal but isn't completely useless. It makes the offense start from the top in running their sets with a limited shot clock, makes anyone driving to the rim think twice, makes an offense completely readjust if it happens multiple times, etc. Would it be great if every single time he blocked the ball into a Huskies' hands? Sure. But look no further than Sampson's comments the other night on their emphasis of taking away his shot blocking ability as a key to beating our defense to see the effect it has on opposing game plans. I'm as big a critic as the next nut on this site about Brimah, but his shot blocking is one thing that, even with the frustrations I have with him stupidly leaving his man sometimes, is still a great part of our D.

Also, gimmicky zones? I don't know if Miller stole your lunch money in high school, but the continued attacks on him are getting pathetic. When we go zone, which is rarely, it's usually a consequence of the fact that we have 7 scholarship players right now, the kids are exhausted, and we're trying to maximize Brimah's effectiveness while limiting the other team's perimeter shooting.
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But Chief SAW coach Killings point something out on the stat sheet to Ollie, so CLEARLY, that is what led to a change in the defense. I mean that sounds plausible, right? Because when it comes to UConn hoops, Chief is the be all/know all and knows what is in the minds of the coaches and players. We are so lucky to have him to interpret all of this for us, why does everyone not see that?

PS: Bunky rules!
 
I'm 37 years old and for 37 years I've heard experts and people like Chief talk about blocking shots like Bill Russell. Has anyone EVER done it? I'm being serious. I think most great shotblockers still send more than their fair share out of bounds. I was watching a replay of UConn/'Bama when we blitzed them to get to the final four. Emeka had 5 blocks alone in the first half and two were sent out of bounds. The other 3 were ridiculous point of attack blocks, different from the types Amida gets. When Emeka had air under the ball to block it, he sent it out of bounds, too. I've criticized Amida for four years and I'm frustrated that he launches shots into orbit too, but I can't fault him for blocking shots. That's his one great plus.
 
Chief00 said:
Young fellow - Bill Russell 60 years ago put that into practice! At a minimum blocking most shots out of bounds prevents the possibility of that happening.
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And that's why he is in the HOF. While we're at it, why doesn't he shoot hooks like Kareem, rebound like Moses Malone and pass like Walton. Let's be happy he can block the shots, which you are sorely gonna miss next year, without the expectation that he's going to turn the block into a pass. For that matter, name me one center we have played this year that does this, other than by accident?
 
boog204 said:
I'm 37 years old and for 37 years I've heard experts and people like Chief talk about blocking shots like Bill Russell. Has anyone EVER done it? I'm being serious. I think most great shotblockers still send more than their fair share out of bounds. I was watching a replay of UConn/'Bama when we blitzed them to get to the final four. Emeka had 5 blocks alone in the first half and two were sent out of bounds. The other 3 were ridiculous point of attack blocks, different from the types Amida gets. When Emeka had air under the ball to block it, he sent it out of bounds, too. I've criticized Amida for four years and I'm frustrated that he launches shots into orbit too, but I can't fault him for blocking shots. That's his one great plus.
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Bill Walton and Nate Thurmond to name a couple. McHale and Chief00 to name a couple more. David Robinson was another.
 
Onions said:
And that's why he is in the HOF. While we're at it, why doesn't he shoot hooks like Kareem, rebound like Moses Malone and pass like Walton. Let's be happy he can block the shots, which you are sorely gonna miss next year, without the expectation that he's going to turn the block into a pass. For that matter, name me one center we have played this year that does this, other than by accident?
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The problem is he doesn't even attempt to do anything other than block it as hard as he can out of bounds. It shows a lack of discipline or focus on winning as opposed to pleasing the casual fans who are out in force today on this thread.
 
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imno1 said:
There are many reasons to beat up on AB but shot blocking shouldn't be one. We will miss that ability next year.
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Some truth here - but it's the lack of discipline that drives me to criticize. I also agree with the poster a bigger problem is giving up offensive rebounds and layups when he goes to block a shot.
 
Chief00 said:
The problem is he doesn't even attempt to do anything other than block it as hard as he can out of bounds. It shows a lack of discipline or focus on winning as opposed to pleasing the casual fans who are out in force today on this thread.
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And now you can tell who is a casual fan and who is not....my god, how DO you do it?? You are just so awesome!!
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Shh. It's more fun to play along and not tell Chief that his observations are about as "casual fan" as it gets.
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Agreed. Nothing was as great though as his revelation of Killings pointing to a piece of paper and Ollie then changing the D that stopped Milton in the 2nd half on Saturday. One of my favorite posts of all time. Only a true basketball savant could have noticed AND interpreted such coaching genius. I am so unworthy.
 
Well in fairness Robinson, Parish and Thurmond, according to his precise observational skills, also directed shot blocks into fast breaks ...

So there's a few more examples of the obvious lack of coaching.
 
uconngb said:
And now you can tell who is a casual fan and who is not....my god, how DO you do it?? You are just so awesome!!
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Actually it's easy - some people know how games are won and others don't have a clue.
 
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uconngb said:
Agreed. Nothing was as great though as his revelation of Killings pointing to a piece of paper and Ollie then changing the D that stopped Milton in the 2nd half on Saturday. One of my favorite posts of all time. Only a true basketball savant could have noticed AND interpreted such coaching genius. I am so unworthy.
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You are not paying attention - it was toward the end of the first half when Milton dropped 15. KO stood up and adjusted the defense the next possession down his end.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Blocks in play at least have a chance of being recovered by the defense.

Blocks out of play go back to the offensive team 100% of the time. And, yesterday, several of those blocks were converted into points on that same possession (including at least one 3).

So, yes, those blocks out of bounds primarily serve to enhance one's highlight reel, but don't do much to help the team.
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You mean except for the fact they may stop a ball from entering the hoop and thus scoring an additional 2 points for the opposition on the scoreboard tally thing?
 
uconngb said:
But Chief SAW coach Killings point something out on the stat sheet to Ollie, so CLEARLY, that is what led to a change in the defense. I mean that sounds plausible, right? Because when it comes to UConn hoops, Chief is the be all/know all and knows what is in the minds of the coaches and players. We are so lucky to have him to interpret all of this for us, why does everyone not see that?

PS: Bunky rules!
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Unless any of us saw exactly what was on that sheet of paper its merely speculation
It might have been a menu of where they were going to eat after the game
 
August_West said:
You mean except for the fact they may stop a ball from entering the hoop and thus scoring an additional 2 points for the opposition on the scoreboard tally thing?
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The ball may not be going in anyway. What's the shooting percentage on the ball that Brimah blocks out of bounds, if he hadn't blocked it?

Take 2*(that percentage %), and compare it to the points per possession that the opponent gets on their free possession from out of bounds. That's the value of the out-of-bounds block.

It may be positive, but it's not positive enough to outweigh the points that he gives up by swatting for balls he has no chance on, abandoning rebounding position, and surrendering a gimme putback 2.

And it's certainly not positive enough to outweigh the value of blocking the ball in bounds, which has a near-equal chance of being recovered by the offense or the defense.
 
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