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Thanks Choke. Oh what a Happy Thanksgiving this will be. Tenn has to drop at least 3 spots. Texas A&M Texas (best Stanford). Tenns Harrison is out with an injury however Chatty isn't ranked. Bad Loss for Tenn. Lack of discipline, poor defense, and no body stepped up to score. Tenn looked completely lost out there tonite.
 
Lively discussion on their free site tonight
Murder in their hearts.
Makes the boneyard seem like a bunch of sissies.
 
Yeah, they ain't happy over yonder. Cain't say as how I blame em.
 
Tonyc said:
Thanks Choke. Oh what a Happy Thanksgiving this will be. Tenn has to drop at least 3 spots. Texas A&M Texas (best Stanford). Tenns Harrison is out with an injury however Chatty isn't ranked. Bad Loss for Tenn. Lack of discipline, poor defense, and no body stepped up to score. Tenn looked completely lost out there tonite.
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Only 3 spots?
 
rvwsleep said:
Out of the top 10 after that debacle. Worst first half of basketball I have seen from a top 10 team in a long, long time.
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Tennessee recruits great players. UCONN recruits great team players. Therein lies the difference in their success over the past couple of decades.
 
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alexrgct said:
But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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Bwahahahaaaa !! Love it

For a short week, it's been a long week. This score is just what I needed to go to bed with a little smile on my face.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Tennessee recruits great players. UCONN recruits great team players. Therein lies the difference in their success over the past couple of decades.
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and Tennessee hasn't recruited anyone like Bridgette Gordon, Chamique Holdclaw, or Candace Parker in a decade. I don't say that to say, "Pat couldn't win without great players", but rather that the failure to recruit Maya Moore really, really stung. And Pat felt that sting immediately.

We'll have to see how Mercedes Russell and Diamond DeShields pan out for the LVs next season.
 
It was an absolute debacle. TN goes down 17 before half and not one timeout was taken.
We didn't deserve to win, Chatt outplayed us in every facet of the game. JJ was the only player who appeared interested.
 
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Wow - I am just seeing this story........ lose to Chat? Wow. I do not believe it is the lack of recruiting here...... You can take Graves, Izzy, Masssengale, Burdick, etc..... and definitely compete with the best of them for a title....... it took me a while to form a judgment in the post-Pat era, but I still contend the #1 problem is coaching.

I read all the carnivorous delight on the Summit when we lost to Stanford...... and I must say I do not reciprocate that hate..... I wish the Lady Vols well..... I just think they need a big big injection of Coaching the Fundamentals 101...... that is if tonight's game followed the same storyline as the 2 dozen games I have witnessed the last couple of years...... Good luck to them.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Tennessee recruits great players. UCONN recruits great team players. Therein lies the difference in their success over the past couple of decades.
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I actually disagree with this a tad - Tennessee generally recruits great athletes, and sometimes kids who dominated against lesser competition. But the problem is they don't recruit kids with high BBIQ (Courtney Ekmark for example). But then to compound the problem, Tennessee's mantra for many years has been for the guards to dribble around, make a few passes, jack up a shot (no one seems to be able to put the ball into the basket) and then GO HARD for the O-board and putback.

Tennessee was supposedly bringing their offense into the 21st century, but so far I've not seen hide nor hair of that. They even brought in Jolette Law, a failed coach from Illinois (her 4th year her team went 9-12 and her 5th year 11-19 combined record of 69-93; clearly not a winner) but the thought was that as a former HC, she'd bring a different view to Tennessee (problem is she's not Leon Barmore leaving a super successful LA Tech legacy for Baylor).


Then you've got Dean Lockwood, who was an assistant to Summitt for 8 years and has been an asst for 10. Problem is he came from Saginaw State where his record was much like Law's (64-95). And then there's Kyra Elzy - who played for the LVols for 4 years and is also ingrained in the Pat Summitt school of no offense and tough defense.

So the people they have are all either from the Pat Summitt school of coaching, or came from failed programs. Not a coaching recipe for success IMHO.
 
A couple of interesting comments over at Volnation, amongst the general angst, to the effect that Holly's job is probably NOT in danger, as long as she can keep the LV in the top twenty or so, because Hart and the UT power structure in general are not interested enough in the wcbb program to shell out the bucks it would take to hire a top coach like Kim or Jeff or whoever.
 
ericsandiego said:
I actually disagree with this a tad - Tennessee generally recruits great athletes, and sometimes kids who dominated against lesser competition. But the problem is they don't recruit kids with high BBIQ (Courtney Ekmark for example). But then to compound the problem, Tennessee's mantra for many years has been for the guards to dribble around, make a few passes, jack up a shot (no one seems to be able to put the ball into the basket) and then GO HARD for the O-board and putback.

Tennessee was supposedly bringing their offense into the 21st century, but so far I've not seen hide nor hair of that. They even brought in Jolette Law, a failed coach from Illinois (her 4th year her team went 9-12 and her 5th year 11-19 combined record of 69-93; clearly not a winner) but the thought was that as a former HC, she'd bring a different view to Tennessee (problem is she's not Leon Barmore leaving a super successful LA Tech legacy for Baylor).


Then you've got Dean Lockwood, who was an assistant to Summitt for 8 years and has been an asst for 10. Problem is he came from Saginaw State where his record was much like Law's (64-95). And then there's Kyra Elzy - who played for the LVols for 4 years and is also ingrained in the Pat Summitt school of no offense and tough defense.

So the people they have are all either from the Pat Summitt school of coaching, or came from failed programs. Not a coaching recipe for success IMHO.
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Yes, I agree with you here and tend to be even more critical of the overall coaching job they are doing..... just read Holly's comments.... stating the things her team was not doing and so on...... it gets to be repetitive..... and when pressure hits in the form of a loss like this..... she states the need to return to a pronounced focus of defense and rebounding......

After the last 2 or 3 years of lukewarm play and offensive non sets..... punctuated by Meaghan S and her solo floor trips and jacked up shots...... it has always been painfully obvious that there is no direction in the coaching philosophy at UT..... they have extremely accomplished high schools All Americans..... but cannot do anything with them...... I see UT fans pulling away from Holly in terms of devotion..... at least as judged from the forums...... it seems they could even benefit from a retread like Foster coaching them.

Ariel said at the start of the season that the team is going to listen to Holly and take direction this year.... but I am not so sure....
 
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I'm salivating to see what the Gamecocks do to the Vols in front of 18,000 in Columbia in late February. Tennessee had our number for a long time, but I'm glad to see those days are ending. We're also going to beat them in attendance this year, which is doubly sweet.
 
ericsandiego said:
I actually disagree with this a tad - Tennessee generally recruits great athletes, and sometimes kids who dominated against lesser competition. But the problem is they don't recruit kids with high BBIQ (Courtney Ekmark for example). But then to compound the problem, Tennessee's mantra for many years has been for the guards to dribble around, make a few passes, jack up a shot (no one seems to be able to put the ball into the basket) and then GO HARD for the O-board and putback.

Tennessee was supposedly bringing their offense into the 21st century, but so far I've not seen hide nor hair of that. They even brought in Jolette Law, a failed coach from Illinois (her 4th year her team went 9-12 and her 5th year 11-19 combined record of 69-93; clearly not a winner) but the thought was that as a former HC, she'd bring a different view to Tennessee (problem is she's not Leon Barmore leaving a super successful LA Tech legacy for Baylor).


Then you've got Dean Lockwood, who was an assistant to Summitt for 8 years and has been an asst for 10. Problem is he came from Saginaw State where his record was much like Law's (64-95). And then there's Kyra Elzy - who played for the LVols for 4 years and is also ingrained in the Pat Summitt school of no offense and tough defense.

So the people they have are all either from the Pat Summitt school of coaching, or came from failed programs. Not a coaching recipe for success IMHO.
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I am 100% on the first couple of lines. I'm not sure on the next line that they "want" the players to miss ;) so they can get the rebound.

I seriously would be shocked if their bringing in Jolette Law had anything to do with her having been the head coach at Illinois, where she was not a success. I think it had everything to do with her success as recruiting coordinator and Associate Head Coach at Rutgers for some outstanding recruiting classes and some very successful teams. They certainly didn't bring her in for offensive advice, as Illinois was as offensively challenged as Rutgers at its worst.
 
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Now folks, it's not nice to revel in the misfortunes of others, especially on Thanksgiving day.
Or is it?
 
Their next game against Texas is for the season.
 
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The recruiting battles between Tenn and UConn had gone on for many years. It was very competitive and the top recruits we gobbled up by both UConn and Tenn. Then came the elite class of Caroline Doty EDD and Maya Moore. From one account Caroline had attended Pats BB camp, and the Vol fans were attending EDD HS games. Maya lived in Tenn backyard and all Vol fans thought they had them in the bag. They were so cocky about getting them that they felt UConn was doomed. That didn't happen. All 3 verballed to UConn which started the beginning of the end for Tenn. Pat went out and signed a bunch of AAs. Pat and LV fans were livid accusing UConn of cheating and then the rumors started leading to the 37 page NCAA violations. Pat recruited everybody left which did not include any real point guards and ball handlers. Since then Tenn has never recovered. Pat had Harry Perretta come down to work with her team on a motion offense. That was scrapped and Tenn was looking up the polls at UConn. That view has never changed.

Tenns old philosophy of rebound rebound rebound doesn't work in todays game as parity has taken over. Tenn still has a lot of AAs and talented players. What they don't have is disciple, chemistry and a leader who runs the team with discipline and an iron hand. Last nite the Vols looked lost. They didn't run plays, they didn't stop dribble penetration, no weak side help on defense. Offensively it appeared everybody was afraid to shoot the ball and when they did they did not look confident. Yes Tenn was without Harrison their best player and a force down low however Chatty is an unranked team. A team Tenn should've easily handled. One player does not make a team however when you depend on that one player to much the other players are lost without her. You didn't see that at ND when Diggins left. You didn't see that when Maya left. Both teams continued to roll. Why is that? Its called a T.E.A.M. Anybody can recruit good players throw them on the floor, give them a basketball and tell them to go out and play. In todays world of WCBB you need to drill and drill and drill until it becomes reflexive. When your learning something you do it and do it and do it and it takes hours every day and it takes weeks sometimes months before you can do it confidently.

Tenn is to concerned about winning and not practicing and rehearsing the basic fundamentals and that takes a lot of work and a lot of time. You don't recruit players who can step in and just play because recruits lack experience at the college level and lack playing with and against great players. In HS the top recruits are usually a big fish in a little pond. In college theyre not. Before you get better you have to get worse. Which means you have to give up what you've been doing and learn the correct way to do it before you can become a winner at the next level. You have to change because the world is not gonna change. Tenn has not changed and Tenn continues to do what they did 20+ years ago and it doesn't work in this day of parity in WCBB. The Tenn fans Alums and staff don't understand this and until they do they will struggle to be a top 10 team. Tenn right now is an assemblage of players. They don't play together and they need to learn to do that. They need to be taught. When they decide to change and make a total commitment to change and stick to it they will have a chance to be a top 4 team. I gotta wonder what DD and Russell are thinking as they wait for next season. Tenn graduates some key players. The expectation is DD and MR will carry then next season to the promised land of a FF. I can tell you now they wont happen. Attitude is everything and change is an attitude. Until Tenn makes a total commitment to rebuild and change nothing at Tenn will change.
 
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They'll just wait for Tyler to turn things around eventually.
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Yes. Nepotism and inbreeding is always a good thing. :rolleyes:

I'm amazed at how down the Volnation folks are on Holly, and that's after the Mods banned most of the negavols. Soon, there will be no one left there.

I don't see much respect from the players toward Holly. To me, that's one of the biggest problems. I don't see much chance of improvement next year either. Russell will be working with new feet and it will be interesting to see how Diamond and Holly interact.

I just get the feeling that Tennessee's culture for many years now has been one big looking forward to next year.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Tennessee recruits great players. UCONN recruits great team players. Therein lies the difference in their success over the past couple of decades.
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UTenn had a whopping 9 assists last night. Last year UTenn ranked 58th in assists (UConn #1). The previous year 60th (UConn #2), the year before that 46th (UConn #2). The low assist numbers go all the way back to Summitt's era.
 
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