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I don't see why the Celts can't go with a rotation of Rondo, Bazz, Bradley. People talk like this is an impossibility. Rondo playing with Bazz would be dynamite.
 
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I don't see why the Celts can't go with a rotation of Rondo, Bazz, Bradley. People talk like this is an impossibility. Rondo playing with Bazz would be dynamite.
I don't think it would be bad for the team, but I don't think it would help Shabazz's career either if that makes any sense.
 
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Kind of off-topic, but how good do you Celtic fans really think Rondo is? I ask because I'm not really sure, and I'm guessing those of you that have seen him on a regular basis would understand his game a little bit better than me. There is a lot of evidence that points to him not being a top ten point guard, but there is an equal amount of evidence that points to him being a transcendent talent capable of doing things no other point guard in the league could ever imagine. I've never been his biggest fan, but there are a couple things you have to say in his defense: for starters, he's a big game player if there ever was one. In his last four postseasons (a hefty sample of 66 games), he's averaged a line of 16, 10, and 7. In his most recent postseason (19 games), he averaged 17, 12, and 7. Those are some pretty ridiculous numbers, and although most people around the league seem to believe his defense is a bit overrated, how many other point guards in the league can defend LeBron? He may be irresponsible at times defending away from the ball, but when he's fully engaged, he can be an elite defensive guard, IMO.

I ask this because I think what Boston does moving forward is really predicated on how good the organization believes he is. If you think he's a franchise point guard, then maybe you put together a package for Kevin Love and try to surround them with solid role players, ride them to a three or four seed in the east, and take your chances that they both want to stick around. If Rondo is the player he was this past season - that is, somebody who can really drown your offense from a floor spacing perspective - then all you're doing by trading for Love is delaying the inevitable rebuilding process.
 
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Kind of off-topic, but how good do you Celtic fans really think Rondo is? I ask because I'm not really sure, and I'm guessing those of you that have seen him on a regular basis would understand his game a little bit better than me. There is a lot of evidence that points to him not being a top ten point guard, but there is an equal amount of evidence that points to him being a transcendent talent capable of doing things no other point guard in the league could ever imagine. I've never been his biggest fan, but there are a couple things you have to say in his defense: for starters, he's a big game player if there ever was one. In his last four postseasons (a hefty sample of 66 games), he's averaged a line of 16, 10, and 7. In his most recent postseason (19 games), he averaged 17, 12, and 7. Those are some pretty ridiculous numbers, and although most people around the league seem to believe his defense is a bit overrated, how many other point guards in the league can defend LeBron? He may be irresponsible at times defending away from the ball, but when he's fully engaged, he can be an elite defensive guard, IMO.

I ask this because I think what Boston does moving forward is really predicated on how good the organization believes he is. If you think he's a franchise point guard, then maybe you put together a package for Kevin Love and try to surround them with solid role players, ride them to a three or four seed in the east, and take your chances that they both want to stick around. If Rondo is the player he was this past season - that is, somebody who can really drown your offense from a floor spacing perspective - then all you're doing by trading for Love is delaying the inevitable rebuilding process.
He is truly elite. You beat around the bush a bit but you seem to acknowledge his weakness is in his head (bing his Olympic team comments). Boston is deciding if they can work w/ him in the future. If Love, or anyone, would be enough to make him happy and productive. Aside from his jump shot, the guy can flat out play.
 
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It's sort of astounding that he's as good as he is when guys can literally guard him with one foot in the paint. That being said, I think he's truly elite when he decides he wants to be but he seems like a moody kid who's going to play how he wants, when he wants.
 
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Rondo is a phenomenal athlete. That's one of the big reasons Ainge drafted him. He's very very long too. And Bazz is not better than him in anything but shooting.
Shooting is pretty important.
 
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It's sort of astounding that he's as good as he is when guys can literally guard him with one foot in the paint. That being said, I think he's truly elite when he decides he wants to be but he seems like a moody kid who's going to play how he wants, when he wants.
Totally agree. It seems like its tougher to find an organization that wants him in trade than one that acknowledges his elite status. For instance, I don't know anyone that would send Rondo to GS, but to the Knicks w/ Kerr's mentor, who knows. Not that comparing anybody to Phil is fair, but theres a lot of clubs that want a Rondo, but not the Rondo. Living in Seattle is so easy b/c I don't have a team to follow, but I see Rondo leaving Boston this year amidst management confusion as to his wants, desirability. In the right place, I think hes got CP3 for best point in the league, but I don't think hes going to get the opportunity to show it. Personally, I feel bad for Stevens. Hes either sitting on two high pair looking for a flush, or hes got squat, and looking at year 3 or 4 in his contract to find a 50 win season.
 
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Husky68 said:
Shooting is pretty important.

He can't shoot as a point guard, which makes him trade bate. It's actually impressive how bad his shooting form is.
 
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He can't shoot as a point guard, which makes him trade bate. It's actually impressive how bad his shooting form is.
Couldnt't disagree more. His game makes him unique and very difficult to value, otherwise the trade would have been clear by now.
 
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lots of people said that about Kemba, too.

Kemba was a lottery pick and is much faster/more athletic and is a little taller too.

But Kevin Love isn't coming to the Celts if the team plans to trade Rondo, Love wants out for a better team situation, not just a bigger market.
 
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According to this thread Bazz isn't an NBA starter, Rondo is a max contract NBA starter. Is Rondo that much quicker than Bazz? I can't believe Rondo is that much better a passer, shooter, rebounder, playmaker.

Rondo is a much worse shooter but much better than Bazz at literally everything else
 
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Napier slipping that far isn't happening. Clippers , or Heat. both of those teams need pg's more than spurs , and each respective franchise player is enamored by shabazz.

Ainge gotta draft Randle/Vonleh and call it day. He can draft a guy like Lavine @ 17, but he is nothing more than Jared Cunningham with no defense. Kyle Anderson IMO a better prospect. Or you guys can trade everything for kevin love (Kevin Love is not Garnett or Lebron, the hype has gotten out of control).

Clips have cp3/collison, they don't need a pg. Also think the heat would prefer a bigger body with more athleticism for their style of play.

And Love isn't either of the guys you mentioned but he's a top 10 guy and easily worth a 6th pick/sully 1-2 future firsts type deal.
 
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Bazz would be a nice pickup with their second pick if they decide they want to move Rondo. If they could add Bazz and get a very good need player for Rondo, I'd be okay with that. I still don't know what to think of Rondo. He's not all that great in the half-court as far as setting up his teammates. He's good in transition as far as that goes. He's not a good jumpshooter. Great defender though.

Add Bazz to run the team, get a very good 5, 4 or 3 for Rondo, why not?

Rondo isn't good in the halfcourt? Have you ever seen the PP/KG/Ray teams play?
 
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LOL you really don't watch much NBA, do you?

Hey look the guy who had a nervous breakdown when he lost the make believe internet basketball tournament and then came back to insult everyone who disagrees with him because deep down he hates himself is back. Wonderful.
 
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Hey look the guy who had a nervous breakdown when he lost the make believe internet basketball tournament and then came back to insult everyone who disagrees with him because deep down he hates himself is back. Wonderful.

Hey look the fat slob that hates the coop for not having XXXXL sizes is still slobbering me. Wanna tell me more about the man on man sites you suggested to the other guy yesterday? How often do you frequent? How many partners have you successfully met using that service?
 
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I'm not sure how you can write Shabazz off from anything. The kid constantly proves the doubters wrong.
I wrote that not because I lacked in faith in Napier's overall skills set; in that I believe he is prone to injury. He will get his licks and financial rewards that he deserves but the sheer physical nature of the NBA could cut his career short before he may realize the starter's potential that he has. I hope to be very wrong in my prognostication.
 
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LOL you really don't watch much NBA, do you?

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He's not great by any means, but defenses at least have to honor him.
 

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Hey look the fat slob that hates the coop for not having XXXXL sizes is still slobbering me. Wanna tell me more about the man on man sites you suggested to the other guy yesterday? How often do you frequent? How many partners have you successfully met using that service?

I don't think that was BigErn lamenting the sizing issue in the coop thread iirc?
 
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intlzncster said:
Last year? Kelly Olynyk

Ha. I even Googled to make sure I wasn't forgetting someone recent and asking a stupid question. He didn't come up - but only since it was a draft day trade (which is a technicality).
 
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Larry Bird is one of the greatest players who have ever lived. He transcended athleticism and was arguably the best passing and shooting big man ever as well as being imo the smartest player ever. I like Doug McD and all, but let's not even put him and Bird in the same sentence.
 
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