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the Q said:
08 Celts are certainly better than the Spurs.

And most likely better than those lakers teams.
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The '08 Celtics got taken 7 by the 37 win Hawks. Dominant regular season, dominant at times in the playoffs (especially in the finals), but that's tough to overlook.
 
champs99and04 said:
The '08 Celtics got taken 7 by the 37 win Hawks. Dominant regular season, dominant at times in the playoffs (especially in the finals), but that's tough to overlook.
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I would put that Spurs team ahead of the Celtics, but using a 7-game sample size out of a 100+ game season doesn't make for a strong argument.
 
UConn990411 said:
I would put that Spurs team ahead of the Celtics, but using a 7-game sample size out of a 100+ game season doesn't make for a strong argument.
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Part of me agrees, but it's still enough to give me pause, especially when a 45-win Cavs team with a negative point differential took them another 7 the next round. It's a 100 game sample, but all of those 100 games aren't created equal when discussing the merits of an all-time great team. 10 playoff losses is an a-ton for a title winning team.

I'm not going to argue, though, because I distinctly remember watching game six against LA thinking it was the greatest team I'd ever seen. Hyperbole, probably, but that's how I felt at the time. They really just flipped the switch game 3 @ Detroit and never looked back.
 
the Q said:
08 Celts are certainly better than the Spurs.

And most likely better than those lakers teams.
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You can settle the argument on this site lets do a best of 7 series 2-3-2 format team with better record gets home court.
 
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UConn990411 said:
I would put that Spurs team ahead of the Celtics, but using a 7-game sample size out of a 100+ game season doesn't make for a strong argument.
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We can settle that argument right now on whatifsports.com, its fun to do these match ups anyways.
 
intlzncster said:
hahahahahahahaha city
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i don't play with that shit.

you cheat. you get caught. deal with it.

don't lie and make excuses like these 2 did.
 
Ok so here we go NBA finals 08 Celtics vs 03 Spurs, Celtics get the home court.

Game1 @boston

Spurs win game 1, 105-83
Ray 2 pts
Rondo 4 pts 4 assts
Pierce 18 pts
KG 12 pts

Duncan 22 and 18
Parker 18 and 6
Malik Rose 16 pts

Game 2 @ Boston

Celtics win game 2, 99-85

Duncan 22 and 15
Robinson 10 and 11
Manu 12
Parker 5 and 6

Ray 17 pts, 8 reb, 4 asst 4/7 from 3
Pierce 29 and 11
Rondo 11, 4 and 5
KG 13, 6, and 7

Ill resume the rest of the series later so the series is tied 1-1 going to SA for 3 games, this should be a great series.
 
Scoe said:
Ok so here we go NBA finals 08 Celtics vs 03 Spurs, Celtics get the home court.

Game1 @boston

Spurs win game 1, 105-83
Ray 2 pts
Rondo 4 pts 4 assts
Pierce 18 pts
KG 12 pts

Duncan 22 and 18
Parker 18 and 6
Malik Rose 16 pts

Game 2 @ Boston

Celtics win game 2, 99-85

Duncan 22 and 15
Robinson 10 and 11
Manu 12
Parker 5 and 6

Ray 17 pts, 8 reb, 4 asst 4/7 from 3
Pierce 29 and 11
Rondo 11, 4 and 5
KG 13, 6, and 7

Ill resume the rest of the series later so the series is tied 1-1 going to SA for 3 games, this should be a great series.
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yeah, KG and Allen.

that tells me what I need to know about this thing.
 
the Q said:
yeah, KG and Allen.

that tells me what I need to know about this thing.
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Rondo had a bad game too, you saw what Ray did in game 2 series isn't over yet. Remember Ray's performance agains the Bulls if not for him the Celtics go down against the number 8 seed.
 
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Scoe said:
Rondo had a bad game too, you saw what Ray did in game 2 series isn't over yet. Remember Ray's performance agains the Bulls if not for him the Celtics go down against the number 8 seed.
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The problem is unless you do like 1000 of these it's not all that useful.

That's what a lot o these analytics machine sites do. Runs tons of simulations.

It's how in the preseason awful teams win a title in some simulations lol.
 
I remember Ray Allen getting stuffed by Gasol on a critical layup that he half-assed. That probably cost the Celtics the gamed the championship. Allen played this game like he didn't care...and it looks like the Celtics never forgave him for his lack of fire in this game.
 
It's Boston. When in doubt screw the black guy. No shocker there .
 
I agree, his 4th cost the game, he was awful

Truth, Rondo, KG know that and want nothing to do with him and then he bailed and never even texted them on his exit

SubZero said:
I remember Ray Allen getting stuffed by Gasol on a critical layup that he half-assed. That probably cost the Celtics the gamed the championship. Allen played this game like he didn't care...and it looks like the Celtics never forgave him for his lack of fire in this game.
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the Q said:
08 Celts are certainly better than the Spurs.

And most likely better than those lakers teams.
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2000 Lakers went 67-15 and Shaq was absolutely insane that year. Averaged 29/13 3+ bpg, then upped that to 30/15 for the playoffs, then upped that to 38/17 in the finals.
 
JSM1970 said:
I agree, his 4th cost the game, he was awful

Truth, Rondo, KG know that and want nothing to do with him and then he bailed and never even texted them on his exit
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Rondo is a please don't include him on the reason Ray Ray isn't a favorite amongst teammates.
 
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Ok game @ SA series tied 1--1

Celtics win game 3 107-77 now up 2-1

Duncan 19 and 7
KG 18, 6, and 5
Pierce 16, 5 and 5
Ray 32 and 7, 4/7 from 3

Game 4 @ SA

Spurs win game 4 92-91, series tied at 2
Duncan 30 pts 17 reb, 8 asst, 7 blocks

Game 5 @ SA

Spurs win game 5 101-80, Spurs lead 3-2 going back to Boston

Ray 14 and 10
Pierce 9 pts
KG 8 pts
Rondo 2 pts, 3 reb, 3 assts
Cassell 20 pts

Duncan 21 and 13
Parker 11 pts, 5 assts
Bowen 7 pts, 3 blocks
Rose 11 pts
Willis 8 pts
Admiral 16 and 12, 6 blocks

Game 6 @Boston
Celtics win game 6 93-77

Duncan 18 and 12
Ray 14 and 7
Pierce 18, 6, and 5
KG 17 and 11
Rondo 14 and 8 assts
Cassell 11
Perk 9 and 5

Game 7 @ Boston
Celtics win series 86-77

Duncan 18 and 8
Ray 20, 3 and 4, 3/4 from 3
Pierce 19, 6 and 5
KG 13, 13, 5 blocks, 3 stls
Perk 5 pts, 11 reb
Scalabrine 9 pts, 2/3 from 3

Heres what did the Spurs in the Celtics won the 1st quarter 24-11
 
That went 2 games too long
 
NielsisGood said:
2000 Lakers went 67-15 and Shaq was absolutely insane that year. Averaged 29/13 3+ bpg, then upped that to 30/15 for the playoffs, then upped that to 38/17 in the finals.
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To be fair, if NBA officials actually called games by the rule book, Shaq's team would basically never lose cause he'd be guarded by a guard by the 4th att.
 
the Q said:
To be fair, if NBA officials actually called games by the rule book, Shaq's team would basically never lose cause he'd be guarded by a guard by the 4th att.
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That's why they'd be my pick for best team here. Prime Shaq was game breaking. Kind of insane that for as good as he was and winning 4 titles, his career is almost a disappointment because he didn't want to stay in shape and never seemed like he cared as much as he could have.
 
How about a series between the 2000 Lakers vs the 08 Celtics, Lakers get the home court.
 
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NielsisGood said:
That's why they'd be my pick for best team here. Prime Shaq was game breaking. Kind of insane that for as good as he was and winning 4 titles, his career is almost a disappointment because he didn't want to stay in shape and never seemed like he cared as much as he could have.
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I mean that's what happens in the NBA. Value entertainment more than the sport and completion itself. The stuff they let defenders do to Shaq just cause he was so much bigger than stronger was just wrong.
 
2000 Lakers vs 2008 Celtics

Game 1 Celtics @Lakers
Celtics win game 1, 100-79

Shaq 20 and 10
Kobe 13 and 6
AC Green 11 and 8
Rice 16 and 5

Pierce 20 and 9, 4/8 from 3
Ray 5 pts
KG 14 and 12
Perk 14 and 8
PJ Brown 8 and 9
Big Baby 6 and 8

Game 2 Celtics @ Lakers
Celtics win 109-96, 2-0 Celtics
Shaq 21 and 14
Kobe 14
Harper 16
Rice 13
Travis night got 9 minutes, 4 and 2

Pierce 20, 11, and 7, 3/6 from 3
Ray 28, 5/8 from 3
Rondo 7 and 6
Perk 8 and 8

We shift to Boston now for 3 games maybe 3 games, will resume later
 
NielsisGood said:
That's why they'd be my pick for best team here. Prime Shaq was game breaking. Kind of insane that for as good as he was and winning 4 titles, his career is almost a disappointment because he didn't want to stay in shape and never seemed like he cared as much as he could have.
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Yeah, it's crazy.

But Shaq was always a big kid at heart.

He really didn't take much too seriously...until you fouled him way too many times without a whistle. Like Brad Miller lol.
 
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