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3RingsCT said:
Ollie is not only going for talent, but character as well. We all know in the later years of JC, he recruited talent first and character second (Nate Miles). Geno goes after character first. Even the best of recruits he guarantees zero playing time to unless they work to prove themselves. His players carry themselves in a different manner. If Ollie can get good players and those of good character, he will be successful.
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Ollie recruited Brandon Austin just last year.
 
pj said:
Why do people worry about the weight of 16 year olds? Weight does not predict future basketball success. Just the opposite -- players who are lighter and still perform at a high level have more upside. As their bodies develop and their weight training improves, they can take further steps forward, whereas the big strong 16 year olds are already performing much nearer their peak.

Lots of kids gain lots of strength and size between 16 and 20. It's not a concern. Basketball talent, skill, and character matter far more than weight.
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On the way into the championship game, a group of UK fans was literally listing the weight of their bigs while telling us UConn didn't have a chance. I calmly tried to explain that as long as they were playing on a basketball court and not a scale, the Huskies would be just fine but they weren't having it. Glad they have that lbs. title to hoist at Rupp while we're hanging another banner
 
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Kemba Time said:
On the way into the championship game, a group of UK fans was literally listing the weight of their bigs while telling us UConn didn't have a chance. I calmly tried to explain that as long as they were playing on a basketball court and not a scale, the Huskies would be just fine but they weren't having it. Glad they have that lbs. title to hoist at Rupp while we're hanging another banner
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Dont forget their height. There is no way a 5-11 and 6-0 guard can play on the same court with UK's 6-5 guards. No way.
 
With all due respect, Geno is recruiting girls. How many girls get into trouble compared to the number of boys who do? This isn't a knock on Geno, but he goes after every #1 ranked player.
 
dogpause said:
With all due respect, Geno is recruiting girls. How many girls get into trouble compared to the number of boys who do? This isn't a knock on Geno, but he goes after every #1 ranked player.
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Geno is going to get pretty much any elite player he wants. Success breeds success.


There are few choices for women's players to play for a program that is "guaranteed" to go to the FF at least 3 times in their 4 year stay. If UCONN is recruiting you-you go.

And the BIG advantage is he gets them for all 4 years. Think about it 4 years of Taurasi, Moore, Charles etc etc. And now Stewart for 2 more years.

There is a reason why he has 9 titles.

They can't leave they have no where to go.

I would love to see Geno have to operate in the same environment that JC/Ollie have to operate in. Constant threat of the player leaving early and greater competition for the player (more than 2 others schools where the women's player can go and compete for a NC).

Safe to say in the above situation Geno probably wouldn't have 9 titles.
 
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Calhoun's Court said:
I would love to see Geno have to operate in the same environment that JC/Ollie have to operate in. Constant threat of the player leaving early and greater competition for the player (more than 2 others schools where the women's player can go and compete for a NC)..
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Why? That would mean fewer UCONN championships. I like it just the way it is.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Why? That would mean fewer UCONN championships. I like it just the way it is.
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You are entitled.
Personally, I would like to see what he would do with real competition for players and Championships.

Right now the outcome of the women's game is as predictable as a WWE match.

Right now there is no competition for either.

So he probably wins Championship #10 and #11 before Stewart leaves.
 
upstater said:
Ollie recruited Brandon Austin just last year.
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Yeah, you can't nail all perfect kids. It's impossible. Too much unpredictability. Kids do dumb things.

People say JC recruited too many scumbags, but a bunch of the quote/unquote ne'er-do-wells were good kids. AJP and Williams were both from well off respectable families. Wiggens was a decent kid in high school. You can't always tell.

That said, JC probably had too much confidence in his ability to 'rescue' a kid too (Nate Miles being the last).
 
CAHUSKY said:
You already did. It was called 1986-1995. He created the greatest program in womens basketball history.
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He should get credit for building it. I'm not saying that.

I'm talking about now where he could/should win almost every year.
 
Calhoun's Court said:
He should get credit for building it. I'm not saying that.

I'm talking about now where he could/should win almost every year.
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I don't know how he'd do in the men's game (don't really care either), but it ain't that easy to sustain success either. Everyone says, "oh Geno just sits there and collects the best players and wins". Getting those players to buy in and play and develop the way he wants is impressive. The guy's clearly a better coach than anyone else in the women's game. Just look at Duke, with a bench of AAs. Their coach can't even get them in the FF.
 
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intlzncster said:
I don't know how he'd do in the men's game (don't really care either), but it ain't that easy to sustain success either. Everyone says, "oh Geno just sits there and collects the best players and wins". Getting those players to buy in and play and develop the way he wants is impressive. The guy's clearly a better coach than anyone else in the women's game. Just look at Duke, with a bench of AAs. Their coach can't even get them in the FF.
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You are not wrong. He is a HOF coach. And he built a dynasty.

That's not my point.

My point is I would like to see him have to operate with one and dones and have more than 2 teams max. be in contention for a title.

But he does get to keep them for 4 years.

I would have loved to have Rip, Donyell ,Mek, Ray, Caron, Kemba etc etc. for 4 years. Something tells me we would have hung up more bed sheets.
 
dogpause said:
With all due respect, Geno is recruiting girls. How many girls get into trouble compared to the number of boys who do? This isn't a knock on Geno, but he goes after every #1 ranked player.
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He recruits very little - they recruit him
How many All American male players would be willing to sit the bench just to get a chance to win a NC or 2 or 3?
Males have more of a hunger to play, females look more for comfort and team success - granted there are some that are exception to the rules
I coached girls soccer 24 years up to Olympic Development and boys also - boys would go where they could play, the girls, for the most part wanted it to feel good. My daughter turned down so many great D1 scholarships to play at a D3 school where she fit in better - it was a great choice in the end.
I just can't see so many All American HS players all wanting to be on the same team but it's a great problem for Geno.
 
Calhoun's Court said:
You are not wrong. He is a HOF coach. And he built a dynasty.

That's not my point.

My point is I would like to see him have to operate with one and dones and have more than 2 teams max. be in contention for a title.

But he does get to keep them for 4 years.

I would have loved to have Rip, Donyell ,Mek, Ray, Caron, Kemba etc etc. for 4 years. Something tells me we would have hung up more bed sheets.
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The other women's coaches have their players for four years as well. It's not like his players are staying while the ones at other schools are leaving. It's the same playing field.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
The other women's coaches have their players for four years as well. It's not like his players are staying while the ones at other schools are leaving. It's the same playing field.
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No kidding.

I'm saying I 'd like to see him have to operate in the one and done environment( and with a deeper field of competitive teams).
 
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Calhoun's Court said:
Geno is going to get pretty much any elite player he wants. Success breeds success.


There are few choices for women's players to play for a program that is "guaranteed" to go to the FF at least 3 times in their 4 year stay. If UCONN is recruiting you-you go.

And the BIG advantage is he gets them for all 4 years. Think about it 4 years of Taurasi, Moore, Charles etc etc. And now Stewart for 2 more years.

There is a reason why he has 9 titles.

They can't leave they have no where to go.

I would love to see Geno have to operate in the same environment that JC/Ollie have to operate in. Constant threat of the player leaving early and greater competition for the player (more than 2 others schools where the women's player can go and compete for a NC).

Safe to say in the above situation Geno probably wouldn't have 9 titles.
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No doubt Auriemma's recruiting issues are not the same as for Ollie. But it isn't quite the case that he gets every top ranked girl he winks at or that they recruit every top 10 kid. He gets very high character kids basically across the board, which may say more about the nature of the universe for female recruits compared to the universe of male recruits where there is no such thing as a stud player who isn't recruited by someone.
 
intlzncster said:
Yeah, you can't nail all perfect kids. It's impossible. Too much unpredictability. Kids do dumb things.

People say JC recruited too many scumbags, but a bunch of the quote/unquote ne'er-do-wells were good kids. AJP and Williams were both from well off respectable families. Wiggens was a decent kid in high school. You can't always tell.

That said, JC probably had too much confidence in his ability to 'rescue' a kid too (Nate Miles being the last).
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Yeah, that Caron was a real scumbag. Imagine if we never recruited Caron. He turned out to be an even better person than he was a player.
 
Calhoun's Court said:
No kidding.

I'm saying I 'd like to see him have to operate in the one and done environment( and with a deeper field of competitive teams).
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Why? So you can judge how good a coach he is?

If he were in such an environment we'd be saying, I'd like to see Geno operate in an environment where he keeps his good players four years and we can know and enjoy them longer.
 
Is Geno recruiting Brag? This thread has gone off the rails. There is a another board for these types of squabbles over women's hoops.
 
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