Cam Reddish - Update

[Hoophound]

UConn needs a good season and then needs to place itself back into the blue blood conversation by saying over the top stuff. I got some great insight from some kids on this subject yesterday.

My step-son is a solid prospect and some of his AAU teammates are really good. They are D1 level AAU players and they say UConn isn't flashy like when they were younger. They think KO needs to create attention by saying bold things to improve our image and get attention. Basically, brag more. Say stuff like Cal does, stuff that is funny and sort of obnoxious. I suggested that KO talk about the NBA and how someone thinking a 70 year old, overweight coach knows more about getting to the NBA than he does is funny stuff etc. They said that was exactly what they mean. Keep in mind, all these kids think Lavar Ball is awesome. They love snake oil.

I continue to think UConn needs to get in the mud a little to stay in the public eye....and win games.

 

[Wordbomar]

Cam and Tre Jones were hanging out together last night according to both of their Instagram stories, can't imagine them being that close helps at all

 

[polycom]

The day Adam Silver gets rid of the 1 year post HS rule, college basketball will return to it's wonderful days of great teams.

 

[husky99]

Lol what info. Husky99 repeated what I said earlier that we are second behind Duke in his recruitment.

The bigger forces at play shtick is overplayed on here. If Washington and UNLV can get 5 star talent yearly then so should UCONN.

Ollie and a Chillious need to Pay an in-home visit immediately to Killer Cams family. Convince them to come here. They know he will be a lottery pick wherever he goes why not us. We have the pedigree.

#KillerCamCommitt
#BringChampionshipTimeBackToStorrs

I wish it was shtick but there are many factors that impact recruiting. Especially when you're one of those top 10 ,15, 20 kids. Sure once in a while you find an exception to the rule. Is a uphill battle

 

[HuskyHawk]

Hearing he likes uconn. But bigger forces pushing him to the blue bloods

Where have I heard this before? Who are these bigger forces and how do we leave flaming bags of dog poop on their doorsteps?

 

[upstater]

The day Adam Silver gets rid of the 1 year post HS rule, college basketball will return to it's wonderful days of great teams.

We are getting very close to this. By going to Duke and Kentucky and scoring like 6 ppg on all-star teams, these kids are just twiddling their thumbs. Rarely do these freshman blow up their already stellar HS reputations. I know it happened a few times recently, Cheick Diallo or Diamond Stone or Cliff Alexander, but for the most part, these top7 kids have the same profile in high school. Going to college doesn't change much for them, and they are almost as raw after 1 year of college anyway.

In other words, college doesn't benefit the one-and-dones very much, nor does it really benefit the NBA. Sure, you can avoid a Cliff Alexander once in a while, but there are draft busts all over the place regardless.

The NBA should be ready to take HS kids gain. Give them guaranteed contracts, stash them in the NBDL.

 

[HawkHusky]

Cam and Tre Jones were hanging out together last night according to both of their Instagram stories, can't imagine them being that close helps at all

I heard they were talking about that 1999 Championship game and how great a rematch would be.

 

[HuskyHawk]

We are getting very close to this. By going to Duke and Kentucky and scoring like 6 ppg on all-star teams, these kids are just twiddling their thumbs. Rarely do these freshman blow up their already stellar HS reputations. I know it happened a few times recently, Cheick Diallo or Diamond Stone or Cliff Alexander, but for the most part, these top7 kids have the same profile in high school. Going to college doesn't change much for them, and they are almost as raw after 1 year of college anyway.

In other words, college doesn't benefit the one-and-dones very much, nor does it really benefit the NBA. Sure, you can avoid a Cliff Alexander once in a while, but there are draft busts all over the place regardless.

The NBA should be ready to take HS kids gain. Give them guaranteed contracts, stash them in the NBDL.

Yeah, I'd say they could put in place two options: (a) two year college minimum or (b) two year NBADL minimum out of high school. Pick one. Make the NBA DL a real minor league. Allow call-ups and two way contracts etc.

 

[navery12]

Lol what info. Husky99 repeated what I said earlier that we are second behind Duke in his recruitment.

The bigger forces at play shtick is overplayed on here. If Washington and UNLV can get 5 star talent yearly then so should UCONN.

Ollie and a Chillious need to Pay an in-home visit immediately to Killer Cams family. Convince them to come here. They know he will be a lottery pick wherever he goes why not us. We have the pedigree.

#KillerCamCommitt
#BringChampionshipTimeBackToStorrs

I think our best chance of him committing here is if he never finds out about that nickname

 

[the Q]

Yeah, I'd say they could put in place two options: (a) two year college minimum or (b) two year NBADL minimum out of high school. Pick one. Make the NBA DL a real minor league. Allow call-ups and two way contracts etc.

The NBA needs to sack up and do their own minor league system.

It would benefit everyone. You could even do the college scholarship plan in contracts for kids like MLB does where the team is willing to pick up the tab for school for some picks.

Arbitrarily holding kids out of the league that teams would take is just unconscionable. I'm happy this 1 year rule has been a disaster, it shows what a terrible idea it was to place a random restriction on it in the first place.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The NBA needs to sack up and do their own minor league system.

It would benefit everyone. You could even do the college scholarship plan in contracts for kids like MLB does where the team is willing to pick up the tab for school for some picks.

Arbitrarily holding kids out of the league that teams would take is just unconscionable. I'm happy this 1 year rule has been a disaster, it shows what a terrible idea it was to place a random restriction on it in the first place.

I partly agree, but the college game needs stability, so I don't really want players to be able to continue the one and done approach. Choose when graduating high school and then choose again later (Sophomore or Junior year). Same as college hockey.

 

[champs99and04]

The day Adam Silver gets rid of the 1 year post HS rule, college basketball will return to it's wonderful days of great teams.

Why?

 

[the Q]

I partly agree, but the college game needs stability, so I don't really want players to be able to continue the one and done approach. Choose when graduating high school and then choose again later (Sophomore or Junior year). Same as college hockey.

I am 100% for players being able to declare for the NBA when they so choose.

If he's good enough, the NBA should accept him. And put him in the D league if he's not game ready.

But that would also require them to focus on development in the D league and not lame track meet style basketball.

You'd have more stability getting rid of the 1 and done rather than less. Although you're not gonna have a lot either way unless you do an absurd 2 or 3 year mandate, which only really punishes under-recruited kids or kids who put in the work and had a breakout freshman year that wasn't expected.

 

[gampelcrazies]

Why?

The one and done recruits will just go straight to the NBA instead of going to the same 3 schools.

 

[the Q]

I partly agree, but the college game needs stability, so I don't really want players to be able to continue the one and done approach. Choose when graduating high school and then choose again later (Sophomore or Junior year). Same as college hockey.

FWIW....money and history don't agree with the bolded. The NCAA is doing just fine without it.

 

[the Q]

The one and done recruits will just go straight to the NBA instead of going to the same 3 schools.

Look at the past though, how many guys were going straight to the league before the 1 and done rule. 3-5 per class at most?

sure it's nice to not have an Okafor and a Bagley go to Duke, or a Wall or Cousins to Kentucky, but it still won't change that much.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

The one and done recruits will just go straight to the NBA instead of going to the same 3 schools.

And the next layer of kids will do what?

 

[JCSuperstar]

And the next layer of kids will do what?

The best of the rest will be fought over by the same three schools for sure, but since all the players remaining in the NCAA will need to prove something to the NBA, they'll distribute more evenly (than they do now) across an expanded pool of the top D1 programs. If you don't have the NBA body or athleticism right away you have to show what you can do in games, so kids will pick teams that will get PT & exposure, vs sitting on the bench because they are artificially being help back by the 1 year rule.

It doesn't solve everything, in fact it probably exacerbates the transfer problem (if it even is one), but it might help parity.

 

[upstater]

The best of the rest will be fought over by the same three schools for sure, but since all the players remaining in the NCAA will need to prove something to the NBA, they'll distribute more evenly (than they do now) across an expanded pool of the top D1 programs. If you don't have the NBA body or athleticism right away you have to show what you can do in games, so kids will pick teams that will get PT & exposure, vs sitting on the bench because they are artificially being help back by the 1 year rule.

It doesn't solve everything, in fact it probably exacerbates the transfer problem (if it even is one), but it might help parity.

With the best of the rest going to those schools also, Calipari will have to show he can develop players over multiple years instead of treating UK as a waystation. And he won't have the same success rate, which will take some of the sheen off.

 

[husky99]

Where have I heard this before? Who are these bigger forces and how do we leave flaming bags of dog poop on their doorsteps?

Already done.

 

[RJScootin]

K and Cal have created the biggest farce in college athletics. They have convinced these guys that you must play at duke or Kentucky to be a lotto pick. They have a monopoly on the high end talent. Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz should be exhibit A and B that if your an NBA talent it doesn't matter where you play, they'll notice you

I agree kids don't have to go to puke or Kentucky to be a lottery picks. The problem is if you're going to play for one year in college don't you want to give yourself the best chance to win it all. I don't think the guys you mentioned would sign up again to play their one year of college ball to not even make tourney. Cal and K don't need to sell them on being drafted high, they sell them on winning. Point is I don't believe they're selling them a farce on being drafted but the chance to make the most out of the one and done format.

 

[KingAG]

These are the forces @husky99 is referring to

 

[WrenchFan69]

These are the forces @husky99 is referring to

LeBron likes KO and a bunch of ex UConn guys at least right?

 

[upstater]

That article reminds me of the time Jay Williams showed up at dinner when Kevin Love was in high school and he handed over a paper bag with $25k in it to Love's AAU coach. At the time, Duke was recruiting Love. Williams was an agent.

I can imagine what goes on at these meetings.

 

[HuskyFich]

LeBron likes KO and a bunch of ex UConn guys at least right?

Let's not forget about his love for his USA coach either. Maybe once K retires and UConn has another title under our belt then LeBron will push kids to us.

 

[SirHypeAlot]

Does Benedict periodically meet with Ollie to review how recruiting is going? A large part of being a coach is the responsibility of selling your program to recruits. In any sales job management looks at results and if the results are lacking they may want to discuss with the salesperson things like "how's your pipeline look?" "are these realistic targets?" "what can I do to help to get you on track?" etc.

I'm all for giving Ollie a leash to run his program and to not have those types of conversations between AD and HC but shit we may be at the point where monitoring and intervention from AD Dave are necessary to refocus Ollie's efforts.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Does Benedict periodically meet with Ollie to review how recruiting is going? A large part of being a coach is the responsibility of selling your program to recruits. In any sales job management looks at results and if the results are lacking they may want to discuss with the salesperson things like "how's your pipeline look?" "are these realistic targets?" "what can I do to help to get you on track?" etc.

I'm all for giving Ollie a leash to run his program and to not have those types of conversations between AD and HC but we may be at the point where monitoring and intervention from AD Dave are necessary to refocus Ollie's efforts.

What can AD Dave do? Monitoring and intervention? This is crazy.

 

[SirHypeAlot]

Whatever Ollie is doing is not working. He has surrounded himself with Yes men who either think what they're doing is sound or they don't have the balls to tell him otherwise. What makes you think he'll change anything unless the AD set him straight. Ollie has ZERO momentum on the recruiting trail coming off a disastrous season. Point blank I'd tell him you're not in a position to spend as much time as you are on 5 star recruits. Aim lower, get some momentum, building blocks in the form of 3stars and then work up from there. I don't think that is "crazy"

 

[Stainmaster]

get some momentum, building blocks in the form of 3stars

Do you want this board to implode?

 

[SirHypeAlot]

Do you want this board to implode?

When I think of re-building a program (which is exactly where we are at) I don't think of grad-transfers from Cornell & Fordham and a JuCo from Alaska that spends 8 hours a day dunking because you struck out on every 5 star recruit you went after and didn't think to aim a little bit lower. Take off the blue glasses and wake up. This is where we are at. Get kids with 4 years of eligibility and develop them if you really are a good coach. Wichita is going to run us out the building this year with lower level talent.