Calhoun hasn't named "anyone in waiting " per Manuel

[AJC88]

Don't shoot the messenger or impugn my intelligence here. You believe that by acting like an immature bully that you can shout down any rebuttal, when in truth posters have given instances at state institutions when a successor has been announced. You also missed part two of the article which is of interest on this board that Manuel assumes that JC is coming back. Maybe you should try not being such a dick, and get your facts straight. I'm just saying....

Not trying to be a dick, but when there are 3 new threads every day saying Calhoun needs to or get off the pot, and the same exact arguments get rehashed in each one, it gets redundant. I didn't miss any part of the article, I was responding to the thread's title assuming this would lead to another thread about how we need a coach in waiting or we as a program are going to fall off a cliff.

 

[AJC88]

Pretty sure you can promise the job to Ollie verbally but not on paper, post the job and then hire Ollie when rules allow.

This ^^^^ is what you guys are citing. The job still must be posted, as I wrote, and they can make a decision to go elsewhere. Didn't mean to upset anybody by "shouting you down", but I also don't want to be a school lying to recruits on the trail about who our next coach is going to be if the AD has a different idea than Ollie.

 

[AJC88]

MSU, Florida state, and Texas are just a few schools that are public institutions that have named head coaches in waiting...I am shocked by your stupidity because you really put yourself out there on this one...get some facts and come back and see me

Read Upstater's posts, and don't try and mimmick Coach Calhoun with the "get some facts" attack mushroom cap. Those jobs still have to be posted and a search has to be conducted, even if a coach has been named coach in waiting.

 

[upstater]

Read Upstater's posts, and don't try and mimmick Coach Calhoun with the "get some facts" attack mushroom cap. Those jobs still have to be posted and a search has to be conducted, even if a coach has been named coach in waiting.

Actually, if a search has to be conducted, then you can't name a coach in waiting. This would violate the regulations that require a search. As I said in my first post, this is all murky. In the past, there have been hires at the university level that were targeted from outside the institution (i.e. no search). But then you look at high administrative positions and there has to be a search even if there is an internal candidate. Presumably, those regulations are there for a reason, to comply with federal law. But I am totally unaware if anyone has ever filed a grievance, complained or sued on that basis. It seems to me that anyone who contests these regulations commits a form of career suicide. Therefore, the regulations are without teeth.

That doesn't mean though that you can be totally brazen and name someone a coach-in-waiting and then pretend to conduct a search. That would be totally frowned upon.

 

[AJC88]

Actually, if a search has to be conducted, then you can't name a coach in waiting. This would violate the regulations that require a search. As I said in my first post, this is all murky. In the past, there have been hires at the university level that were targeted from outside the institution (i.e. no search). But then you look at high administrative positions and there has to be a search even if there is an internal candidate. Presumably, those regulations are there for a reason, to comply with federal law. But I am totally unaware if anyone has ever filed a grievance, complained or sued on that basis. It seems to me that anyone who contests these regulations commits a form of career suicide. Therefore, the regulations are without teeth.

That doesn't mean though that you can be totally brazen and name someone a coach-in-waiting and then pretend to conduct a search. That would be totally frowned upon.

This is what I was trying to say phrased in a much clearer and informative manner earlier in the thread.

And when I said they could name a coach in waiting, I meant that it would have to be kept behind closed doors not announced out to the public. As you said, a brazen announcement followed by a search would be frowned upon.

I am curious as to whether or not a suit has ever been filed for something like this, but again the rewards probably don't outweigh the damages to one's reputation.

 

[MidTown Husky]

Read Upstater's posts, and don't try and mimmick Coach Calhoun with the "get some facts" attack mushroom cap. Those jobs still have to be posted and a search has to be conducted, even if a coach has been named coach in waiting.

Your point wasn't that they had to have interviews, but the fact that they can't legally name a successor or coach in waiting before they had a full search. You called everyone stupid and flexed your muscles on an internet message board for thinking otherwise. People gave several examples to the contrary at athletic programs who are as big and as high profile as UConn, and now you have egg on your face. End of story. You're an idiot. Have a nice day.

 

[HuskyHawk]

We all are on the outside looking in. What this proves is that no one knows shtt.

Typical interview with BY poster:

Who's in charge of this process? I don't know
Who's Ollie be the next coach? I don't know
If not Ollie then who? I don't know
What's JC's future role in all of this? I don't know
Will Manuel take full control? I don't know
Is Hobbs in the mix? I don't know
When will JC retire? I don't know
What law prohibits CIW? I don't know
Will Ollie stay with among uncertainty? I don't know
Will any other Boneyarders admit they don't know? I don't know

This is completely wrong. Many BY posters will provide certain answers to all of these as if they know, while of course they usually don't. It could look like this.

Who's in charge of this process? My cousin knows a guy who lives next door to the secretary to the Indiana AD...
Who's Ollie be the next coach? Yes, it's decided/No, they have ______ on speed dial.
If not Ollie then who? A guy I know says he talked to ______ and it's all but certain that ____ will be the coach.
What's JC's future role in all of this? My brother in law jogs with the guy who cuts Calhoun's lawn and says ____
Will Manuel take full control? Definitely. He's out to make a name/No way. He's Calhoun's puppet
Is Hobbs in the mix? N0 (hell we pretty much know that).
When will JC retire? Yes, next week/month/year
What law prohibits CIW? http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap067.htm
Will Ollie stay with among uncertainty? No, he's about to be hired at _____/Yes, absolutely.
Will any other Boneyarders admit they don't know? Not enough.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Your point wasn't that they had to have interviews, but the fact that they can't legally name a successor or coach in waiting before they had a full search. You called everyone stupid and flexed your muscles on an internet message board for thinking otherwise. People gave several examples to the contrary at athletic programs who are as big and as high profile as UConn, and now you have egg on your face. End of story. You're an idiot. Have a nice day.

Agreed. You originally said you can't name a coach in waiting and called the people on this board idiots. Then people came up with numerous examples of coach in waiting situations at state run public schools.

 

[AJC88]

Agreed. You originally said you can't name a coach in waiting and called the people on this board idiots. Then people came up with numerous examples of coach in waiting situations at state run public schools.

First of all, people on this board are idiots.
Secondly, I threw out another example of a public school (Maryland) that had a coach in waiting situation. The fact is, and Upstater has said this, that by publicizing a move like this you can leave yourself open to suit, it just depends on whether someone would want to commit career suicide by filing suit over something like that.

Your point wasn't that they had to have interviews, but the fact that they can't legally name a successor or coach in waiting before they had a full search. You called everyone stupid and flexed your muscles on an internet message board for thinking otherwise. People gave several examples to the contrary at athletic programs who are as big and as high profile as UConn, and now you have egg on your face. End of story. You're an idiot. Have a nice day.

Never said "legally name a successor or coach". Pretty sure I didn't say the words legal or illegal once, might be mistaken though. All jobs at a public institution need to have a posting and interview process. That is a fact. The only egg on my face is from my bagel sandwich this morning.
I'm done with the name calling and back and forth bickering as 98% of the board are fellow UConn fans.

 

[businesslawyer]

It's a matter of state law and university policy. What FSU or Purdue or anyone else was able to do doesn't answer the question as to whether UConn can do it.

 

[caw]

I don't know if I like bagel sandwiches.

 

[upstater]

Agreed. You originally said you can't name a coach in waiting and called the people on this board idiots. Then people came up with numerous examples of coach in waiting situations at state run public schools.

but were those announcements made official? or wink-wink?

 

[johnhuskies95]

but were those announcements made official? or wink-wink?

They were official enough that people on a UConn message board know about them.

 

[Waquoit]

I'm done with the name calling and back and forth bickering as 98% of the board are fellow UConn fans.

You just get done calling people d!ckheads and stupid and now you decide YOU are done with name calling? What an ***hole.

 

[upstater]

They were official enough that people on a UConn message board know about them.

The same as posters all over the USA are saying the next UConn coach is Kevin Ollie. But the AD doesn't come out and announce that. We're talking about Manuel here, not the inside word which, as we've seen several posters mention, comes from hearing Calhoun and others tell recruits that Ollie is the next coach. That's why I asked if this were all unofficial.

 

[AJC88]

You just get done calling people d!ckheads and stupid and now you decide YOU are done with name calling? What an ***hole.

If deciding I'd rather not bicker with another fan and call names any longer makes me an a, then so be it. I'm just happy I'm not one who feels the need to intercede on someone's behalf in a conversation you've had zero input in.

 

[johnhuskies95]

The same as posters all over the USA are saying the next UConn coach is Kevin Ollie. But the AD doesn't come out and announce that. We're talking about Manuel here, not the inside word which, as we've seen several posters mention, comes from hearing Calhoun and others tell recruits that Ollie is the next coach. That's why I asked if this were all unofficial.

They really aren't the same though.

From Izzo's website: His dutiful efforts were further recognized when, on March 30, 1993, then-MSU Athletics Director Merrily Dean Baker recommended both a one-year contract extension for Heathcote through the 1994-95 season and that Izzo be appointed head coach upon Jud's retirement.

From the Purdue website: As part of a planned transition into the head coaching job, Painter was tabbed in April of 2004 to succeed legendary Purdue head coach Gene Keady. He spent the 2004-05 campaign as associate head coach as the Boilermakers won just seven games and finished 10th in the Big Ten.

From the Texas football website: The University of Texas has struck an agreement with Defensive Coordinator Will Muschamp that will keep him in Austin and eventually lead him to the head coaching position for the Longhorns, Athletics Director DeLoss Dodds said on Tuesday. Details of the contract are still being finalized but it will start with Muschamp's salary being raised to $900,000 on January 1, 2009.


From the Washington Times: Maryland offensive coordinator James Franklin is the school’s designated successor to coach Ralph Friedgen, the school announced Friday.

Also from the Washington Times: The coach-in-waiting concept has become more popular in recent seasons as schools look for stability. Wisconsin’s Barry Alvarez named Bret Bielema as his successor in July 2005 when he announced he would focus on his athletic director duties after the ‘05 season.
In the years since, Florida State, Kentucky, Oregon, Purdue and Texas have also announced such plans, though Purdue (replacing the retiring Joe Tiller with Danny Hope after last fall) is the only additional school to go through the transition.

 

[NHUConnfan]

I still don't understand why Kevin Ollie is the heir-apparent. If the reports were true and Shaka Smart wants this job, give him the damn job. He's got a great track record with mediocre talent. Just think about the kind of recruits he could get to UConn...and then what he could do.

 

[Nostical]

I don't know what's so hard to decipher here. Warde Manuel can say it any way he wants to, but bottom line, there is NO way Kevin Ollie will be our next coach. Zero. Susan Herbst is running this show. She just put WBB on SNY with no bowing to nostalgia or loyalty, she's in lots of back room talks re the BE conference that will have us landing soft and a sweetly in due time, and she will never turn over the gold standard program to a guy who has had no head coaching experience. She may use the "public posting" rule as a stated justification for looking elsewhere, but that will be happening anyway. Sit back and relax. Herbst is a magician and, best of all, she's ours.

 

[freescooter]

I don't know what's so hard to decipher here. Warde Manuel can say it any way he wants to, but bottom line, there is NO way Kevin Ollie will be our next coach. Zero. Susan Herbst is running this show. She just put WBB on SNY with no bowing to nostalgia or loyalty, she's in lots of back room talks re the BE conference that will have us landing soft and a sweetly in due time, and she will never turn over the gold standard program to a guy who has had no head coaching experience. She may use the "public posting" rule as a stated justification for looking elsewhere, but that will be happening anyway. Sit back and relax. Herbst is a magician and, best of all, she's ours.

I sure hope you are correct in your prognostications...I agree with you on Ollie and I was pretty surprised on SNY. So I hope you are right on the other...

 

[Waquoit]

Herbst is a magician and, best of all, she's ours.

Nos, the woman must be magic. With just a wink, she has a Boneyarder singing her praises with unbridled enthusiam at every opportuinity. With every post you make, I feel my cynicism melting a tiny bit. When and if she repays your loyality with a safe landing for the Huskies I will buy you and your wife dinner.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

Best possible outcome here is Calhoun steers the team through next season and through the end of the season. As soon as VCU is eliminated, Uconn announces Shaka will take over as head coach immediately, and names Ollie Associate Head Coach (and, obviously, head of recruiting) Meanwhile JC stays on as an "Advisor" to the program and is a constant presence at the Universoity, around the players, and with donors and recruits.

Dream team. Every recruit and their mother will want in on that parade.