Calhoun hasn't named "anyone in waiting " per Manuel

[arnie3]

Manuel says that he expects JC to coach next season.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ies-assuming-coach-jim-calhoun-return-2012-13

 

[AJC88]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

I'm not doubting you, since I don't know, but wouldn't Manuel just answer the question that way and put an end to the speculation if it were in fact true?

 

[johnhuskies95]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

Care to explain why Purdue was able to name a coach in waiting a few years ago? Even though they're a public, state run school?

 

[sledog]

Purdue is a state school? NS?? I thought it was founded by Frank as a private ag school!

 

[AJC88]

There has to be a public posting made, just as there was for head football coach last January, and an interview process conducted. As far as Purdue goes, I don't have any idea how their process worked as I'm not familiar with their succession process a few years ago. I've seen colleges name coaches in waiting, but they still have to conduct an interview process, and reserve the right to make a different hire (Edsall was named coach at Maryland over Franklin who was coach in waiting).
Here's my thing- if they say Ollie is coach in waiting and get recruits based on that storyline, and then they wind up hiring someone else, I will feel that we are no better than the scummy schools that lie to get recruits. I like to think that kids who come to UConn come here because they want to play for Calhoun, not because they are tricked.
End of rant.

 

[Vuce]

Purdue is a state school? NS?? I thought it was founded by Frank as a private ag school!

Michigan State did it. Jud Heathcoate was on his way out and Izzo even went recruiting and they told the kids he was the next coach at MSU. Not sure about the rules and regs everywhere but it seemingly can be done.

 

[Hoophound]

Pretty sure you can promise the job to Ollie verbally but not on paper, post the job and then hire Ollie when rules allow.

 

[progrocks]

AJC88, can you provide any source for your knowledge on this? A link maybe? It has happened a lot, and maybe there is a CT law preventing it, but no one has ever cited it here, just a bunch of folks who say it can not happen.

 

[arnie3]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

Don't shoot the messenger or impugn my intelligence here. You believe that by acting like an immature bully that you can shout down any rebuttal, when in truth posters have given instances at state institutions when a successor has been announced. You also missed part two of the article which is of interest on this board that Manuel assumes that JC is coming back. Maybe you should try not being such a dick, and get your facts straight. I'm just saying....

 

[Buffett10]

Pretty sure Florida State did a coach in waiting with Jimbo.

 

[johnhuskies95]

There has to be a public posting made, just as there was for head football coach last January, and an interview process conducted. As far as Purdue goes, I don't have any idea how their process worked as I'm not familiar with their succession process a few years ago. I've seen colleges name coaches in waiting, but they still have to conduct an interview process, and reserve the right to make a different hire (Edsall was named coach at Maryland over Franklin who was coach in waiting).
Here's my thing- if they say Ollie is coach in waiting and get recruits based on that storyline, and then they wind up hiring someone else, I will feel that we are no better than the scummy schools that lie to get recruits. I like to think that kids who come to UConn come here because they want to play for Calhoun, not because they are tricked.
End of rant.

Yeah, that's because Franklin took the job at Vanderbilt before Friedgen was let go.

Also, Will Muschamp was named HCIW at Texas. How many more examples do we need to name?

 

[upstater]

Pretty sure you can promise the job to Ollie verbally but not on paper, post the job and then hire Ollie when rules allow.

The question is whether such a practice violates the law. It can only be done secretly.

I should also mention that it depends on the rank of the job. Each position is assigned a rank. some ranks require job searches. You can't simply hand anyone a job. But at other ranks, you can pluck senior people and give them the position.

This is all very murky, because Ollie's status as a UConn employee already makes this more difficult to do. My school just hired its former provost as president, which makes you wonder about the nature of the search, but even at that position, they had to go through a search. They could have never informed donors or anyone else that he was the president-in-waiting.

 

[auggie22]

If you read the article in the courant this evening, it is pretty clear from Warde's quotes that he is not open to limiting the search - now or in the future. I don't think he is dancing around any state fair hiring laws, he has in so many words stated that there will be a national search, and the best candidate interested in the job will be hired. Maybe it will be Ollie, but not because he is preselected.

 

[upstater]

If you read the article in the courant this evening, it is pretty clear from Warde's quotes that he is not open to limiting the search - now or in the future. I don't think he is dancing around any state fair hiring laws, he has in so many words stated that there will be a national search, and the best candidate interested in the job will be hired. Maybe it will be Ollie, but not because he is preselected.

What do you expect him to say? That he was hired to be a rubber stamp? One way or another, it's going to be his responsibility. If he defers to Calhoun without doing a search (even a phantom search) people can criticize him and say he made a mistake.

As usual, administrators are always in CYA mode.

 

[MidTown Husky]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

MSU, Florida state, and Texas are just a few schools that are public institutions that have named head coaches in waiting...I am shocked by your stupidity because you really put yourself out there on this one...get some facts and come back and see me

 

[upstater]

MSU, Florida state, and Texas are just a few schools that are public institutions that have named head coaches in waiting...I am shocked by your stupidity because you really put yourself out there on this one...get some facts and come back and see me

How did they name them? Were these official titles? Did anyone sue?

At best, the examples you give are anecdotal. I can vouch for the previous poster in that I know for certain that state institutions do not automatically hire internal candidates for fear of violating regulations.

I did a quick search and this is the first thing I found on UConn's site: http://diversity.uchc.edu/hiringmanager/responsibilities.html

 

[jleves]

Some people on this board genuinely shock me with their stupidity. UConn is a public, state run institution. This means that it can't name anyone an official "coach in waiting" until there has been an interview process conducted with many candidates. This has been stated a number of times on various threads for months, yet people still insist that Calhoun/Manuel/Herbst make a public declaration of a coach in waiting. They can't. That doesn't mean that there haven't been discussions about Ollie being/not being the next coach.

I've made this point before but I'll throw in one more time. Someone made the argument that the coaches position had to be posted because it's a public school at some time in the past. It's not a totally off the wall thought but there is nothing I've ever seen to back it up other than everyone believing it's the defacto standard. I don't believe it is.

I'm sure not all government or public positions are required to be posted. The general run of the mill work force jobs do have to be posted, but I'm willing to bet that's more of a union issue than a law. I work for a public utility in Los Angeles and upper level managerial positions are filled frequently without a search. They can also be fired much easier than the rank and file and that happens frequently as well.

It could be different in CT than in LA and maybe there is something the state or school charter that requires posting, but it's not necessarily the case and as I said previously, I've never seen anything official to back up the often rather vocal group that insists it must be the case.

That doesn't mean that it's often a good idea to post and search, but I would not be surprised to find that it's not a requirement for an exempt position such as head coach of the mens basketball team.

Calling people stupid for not accepting the position without some shred of evidence and multiple examples of it happening at other places may actually be the stupidity you are claiming in others.

Bottom line - it may or may not be required and I'm not willing to accept either argument as fact until I see something official.

 

[HuskyBandDad]

I do not know the process but you can go to uconnhuskies.com and they do post every job opening in the athletic department. I would be shocked if there is not a formal search/ application/hiring process based on State of CT laws. Also do not compare CT to other states - they all have different laws/requirements.

 

[jleves]

I do not know the process but you can go to uconnhuskies.com and they do post every job opening in the athletic department. I would be shocked if there is not a formal search/ application/hiring process based on State of CT laws. Also do not compare CT to other states - they all have different laws/requirements.

I think I said that....

It could be different in CT than in LA and maybe there is something the state or school charter that requires posting

 

[Ts5034]

Ive always said that i think Ollie will end up getting the job when its all said and done. Even If they did want to name a "coach in waiting" it does not have to be made public. For example, I think we can all agree that the only thing that matters is if the recruits know who that person will be. If KO is the guy, its probably a plus since he is involved with most of the recruiting. Im sure this is a main topic of conversation with every single kid Uconn is in contact with because they want to know who they will be playing for over the next 4 yrs. For all we know Calhoun maybe telling the kids that theres a good chance Ollie will be taking over but it cant be made official yet.

The reason im against naming a coach in waiting is because there is that chance we can land somebody who has already proven something (Shaka Smart, Sean Miller). Im sure this is the main reason why Manuel wont do it. This is going to be a huge hire for him and if he pushes the wrong button the program could dry up like St Johns after Carnesecca. Thats why i dont think hes in a rush to choose the next coach while JC is still here.

 

[Kitaman]

We all are on the outside looking in. What this proves is that no one knows shtt.

Typical interview with BY poster:

Who's in charge of this process? I don't know
Who's Ollie be the next coach? I don't know
If not Ollie then who? I don't know
What's JC's future role in all of this? I don't know
Will Manuel take full control? I don't know
Is Hobbs in the mix? I don't know
When will JC retire? I don't know
What law prohibits CIW? I don't know
Will Ollie stay with among uncertainty? I don't know
Will any other Boneyarders admit they don't know? I don't know

 

[Edward Sargent]

I was more interested in the "viscious cycle" line from Warde Manual. It looks like the APR may drop again because of the guys leaving because we aren't going to the tournament because of the APR drop. Looks like a couple of them may not be in good academic standing?

 

[HuskyBballFan]

I was more interested in the "viscious cycle" line from Warde Manual. It looks like the APR may drop again because of the guys leaving because we aren't going to the tournament because of the APR drop. Looks like a couple of them may not be in good academic standing?

Well the article also says that our 2012 score is looking to be around 978, so I don't believe the departures are going to hurt us all that much.

 

[djct1999]

as long as we keep the german pipeline open, who cares.....