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Beats me, there is no shortage of theories. I was merely pointing out that ISU as both a university and athletic department has little resemblance to schools in the MW.

And how does UConn fit into the American?

Iowa State likely needs the XII to survive to remain with the big boys. the B1G will not double-up on Iowa and I can't see the SEC moving that far north nor the PAC looking at the northern half of the XII should it fold. Not saying anything bad about Iowa, just an observation of geography and demographics.
 
If memory serves, the contract was made with the idea that Mizzou and Texas A&M were in the league - not TCU and West Virginia.

Not taking anything away from those programs but they were coming from the Big East and replacing teams going to the SEC.

The league has a great on field product in both sports but aside from Texas I'm not sure their markets can compete with the other leagues.

It was not. The B12 actually got a big raise after they left.

There are only 5 P5 conferences for 4 networks. The networks can pay up or broadcast lumberjack competitions.
 
Beats me, there is no shortage of theories. I was merely pointing out that ISU as both a university and athletic department has little resemblance to schools in the MW.

Huh? Iowa State is a Land Grant AAU, wrestles, and has a bunch of farmer's daughters attending. Resemble much?
 
It was not. The B12 actually got a big raise after they left.

There are only 5 P5 conferences for 4 networks. The networks can pay up or broadcast lumberjack competitions.

I'll have to look it up, but that doesn't seem correct. I thought the whole ordeal with needing west Virginia was predicated on needing a 10th team for the TV deal.

You could be right though.

My question back to you would be, hypothetically if tv deals were negotiated today, do you think the Big12 ends up making more or less than say the ACC? I'd say less, all things being equal.
 
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My question back to you would be, hypothetically if tv deals were negotiated today, do you think the Big12 ends up making more or less than say the ACC? I'd say less, all things being equal.

The results would be the same.

The Big 12 signed it's deal after A&M, Mizzou, Colorado and Nebraska left. The ACC finalized it's deal less than six months later.

Both conferences were known quantities.

Given that football supposedly drives the bus, the Big 12 is far more appealing.
 
Looks like Nelson was correct regarding the TV deal. I must have not remembered correctly about filling in for the 10th team.

The Big12 right now may be the best all around league for basketball and football. Still seems like long term their reach is limited by being so midwestern. But hey, I'd love to join them along with Cincinnati.
 
Easy on Iowa State, their female candy talent is definitely worthy of a P5 conference.



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I hear next year that they'll be able to afford shoes for them...
 
I'm not that impressed. Look like a bunch of Plain Jane farm girls.
 
Of course you're not. Goes without saying, right?

Right.

I've done pretty well for myself. What's pictured would be a downgrade, and so I'm not impressed.
 
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Right.

I've done pretty well for myself. What's pictured would be a downgrade, and so I'm not impressed.

I'm usually not a fan of the, "not impressed" camp, but totally with you on this one. Definitely a fair share of good looking girls but overall pretty Iowa.
 
I'm usually not a fan of the, "not impressed" camp, but totally with you on this one. Definitely a fair share of good looking girls but overall pretty Iowa.

I am not usually one to say I'm unimpressed, either. A picture of, say, USCs squad would probably get a different reaction.
 
I am not usually one to say I'm unimpressed, either. A picture of, say, USCs squad would probably get a different reaction.
What kind of 'different reaction' are we talking about....?
 
With a 61,300 football stadium, 14,300 basketball arena, 36,000 student population, and AAU status, ISU is not anywhere near the Mountain West.

Hey Seneca! Remember when UConn came to Ames and kicked your ass?
 
Why would they want to divide the pie? Seems to me they are the most vastly overpaid league so I can't imagine they would want to reopen the deal, even with championship game in hand.
Pie size doesn't remain static over time. Any conference will consider membership within the constraint of the pie getting bigger, the pie getting smaller, or a combination of the two. Why would a conference ignore making a move if the risk of the pie getting smaller is significant? Why wouldn't the most poachable P5 conference want to strengthen its position even if that might require short term sacrifice? Texas may be selfish but they aren't stupid.
 
Hey Seneca! Remember when UConn came to Ames and kicked your ass?
Yeah, Congrats! Sounds like it was a big day for you as UConn picked up a win in D-1A. Losing to UConn and then playing in a stupid bowl game in Boise, ID was not the way to end a season that had the Cyclones ranked #9 in the country at midyear. Seasons go on though, but with your American Athletic Conference schedule and our slate of Big 12 games, our win 3-4 years ago might be the last meeting between the two schools in football.
 
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Pie size doesn't remain static over time. Any conference will consider membership within the constraint of the pie getting bigger, the pie getting smaller, or a combination of the two. Why would a conference ignore making a move if the risk of the pie getting smaller is significant? Why wouldn't the most poachable P5 conference want to strengthen its position even if that might require short term sacrifice? Texas may be selfish but they aren't stupid.

I guess that depends on whether or not you think adding Cincinnati and UConn (for example) to a southwest/plains league makes long term sense.
 
Yeah, Congrats! Sounds like it was a big day for you as UConn picked up a win in D-1A. Losing to UConn and then playing in a stupid bowl game in Boise, ID was not the way to end a season that had the Cyclones ranked #9 in the country at midyear. Seasons go on though, but with your American Athletic Conference schedule and our slate of Big 12 games, our win 3-4 years ago might be the last meeting between the two schools in football.

Hope that clown's arm healed.
 
I guess that depends on whether or not you think adding Cincinnati and UConn (for example) to a southwest/plains league makes long term sense.
It doesn't, but WVU was an odd add as well. Having said that, WVU is really starting to feel like a conference mate maybe because of Huggins' time at K-State. I think the biggest obstacle UConn is facing is it's very brief history in D1-A football. Right or wrong, Rutgers, Syracuse, BC, WVU, etc...had all been playing football at the highest level for over a century. Those deep roots matter. In fact, despite the conference shuffling that destroyed some long time rivalries: KU-Mizzou, UT-A&M, OU-Neb, some of those deep roots are starting to be heard from. There have been increased complaints from Big Ten and SEC fans that they don't get to play long time conference foes but once every 6-8 years. Hell, UNC and Wake Forest had to schedule a "nonconference" home/home so they could play each other more often than not. Recruiting is also taking a hit for schools like Nebraska who has seen it's Texas recruiting dry up to almost zero. Iowa only playing in Ohio once a decade has also damaged their once fertile pipeline. I have no idea how all this ends, but it would not shock me at all to see conferences shrink back in the next 12-20 years.
 
Your mascot. You know, the one who decided to taunt our fans sitting in our student section in our stadium following an ISU TD and expected that that would be ok.
 
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Oh that "clown". Have heard nothing to indicate he is anything but completely healed. Thanks for your concern.
 
Deep roots matter so much that the deep rooted teams want to separate to keep their historical advantage intact. As more programs made the jump up, I would wager fan support has shifted. I would actually like to see some kind of demographic analysis. I'd bet the national ND fan base is aging. Why? Because kids from CT, for example, have a home team to root for now. I'd bet a fairly large chunk of UCF and USF fans will follow their alma maters closely. Even folks in Carolina may start to realize that there is a program NOT in the ACC which is better than the team they are rooting for. Change is good, but not for the old guard.
 
Easy on Iowa State, their female candy talent is definitely worthy of a P5 conference.



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ISU, or Stockholm U?
ISU's large stadium could prove to be a problem. That doesn't leave a whole lot of TV sets on.
 
ISU, or Stockholm U?
ISU's large stadium could prove to be a problem. That doesn't leave a whole lot of TV sets on.
College sports are much more important than pro sports in some states and Iowa is one of those places. ISU and Iowa total 130,000+ for football, 28,000+ for men's basketball, and 16,000+ for women's basketball in a state with less than 3 million people. When the two schools meet for their annual football game, there are well over 80,000 fans outside the stadium that don't have tickets but just come for the tailgating event. College sports are simply huge in some states.
 
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