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SenecaTinsley said:
College sports are much more important than pro sports in some states and Iowa is one of those places. ISU and Iowa total 130,000+ for football, 28,000+ for men's basketball, and 16,000+ for women's basketball in a state with less than 3 million people. When the two schools meet for their annual football game, there are well over 80,000 fans outside the stadium that don't have tickets but just come for the tailgating event. College sports are simply huge in some states.
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I get that, and although I've never been to Iowa, I imagine it's a great atmosphere. I am not knocking either school.
Many would argue that ISU should be concerned about the fact that the Big 12 is far too reliant on one major program, and should that program decide to make a move, ISU lacks the single most important factor in conference realignment. Television market. Oklahoma and Kansas would certainly find a home. Not so sure about the rest.
 
UCONN13KC said:
I get that, and although I've never been to Iowa, I imagine it's a great atmosphere. I am not knocking either school.
Many would argue that ISU should be concerned about the fact that the Big 12 is far too reliant on one major program, and should that program decide to make a move, ISU lacks the single most important factor in conference realignment. Television market. Oklahoma and Kansas would certainly find a home. Not so sure about the rest.
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I think that's a valid argument, but here is what some people don't consider when discussing conference realignment: control. All the schools in the Big 12 are making nice (and growing) paychecks and that includes UT and OU. Every conference has a couple of schools that have the most influence and power. Right now OU/UT represent 20% of the outright vote in the conference, the reality is they actually influence a much higher percentage. Why in the world would they want to dilute their voting power by throwing in with the likes of UCLA, USC, Bama, Florida, UNC, Ohio State, etc...? Everyone realizes this is about money and UT/OU are getting paid while still exerting tremendous control. Sounds like a good spot for them to be in.
 
SenecaTinsley said:
I think that's a valid argument, but here is what some people don't consider when discussing conference realignment: control. All the schools in the Big 12 are making nice (and growing) paychecks and that includes UT and OU. Every conference has a couple of schools that have the most influence and power. Right now OU/UT represent 20% of the outright vote in the conference, the reality is they actually influence a much higher percentage. Why in the world would they want to dilute their voting power by throwing in with the likes of UCLA, USC, Bama, Florida, UNC, Ohio State, etc...? Everyone realizes this is about money and UT/OU are getting paid while still exerting tremendous control. Sounds like a good spot for them to be in.
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The fickle finger of CR will provide many reasons for and against leaving the Big 12. I don't have the answers, but being a member of a larger stable conference would seem to be a better place to be long-term. Or not.
 
MattMang23 said:
We know the feeling. Connecticut is one of those states for basketball. I know about 6 NBA fans but everyone I know likes UConn. And if they don't, they like to hate UConn.
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Seems that some former UConn players are an attraction at MSG when they come to NYC to play the Knicks.
 
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SenecaTinsley said:
Yeah, Congrats! Sounds like it was a big day for you as UConn picked up a win in D-1A. Losing to UConn and then playing in a stupid bowl game in Boise, ID was not the way to end a season that had the Cyclones ranked #9 in the country at midyear. Seasons go on though, but with your American Athletic Conference schedule and our slate of Big 12 games, our win 3-4 years ago might be the last meeting between the two schools in football.
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Iowa State is such a significant program that the game went untelevised.
 
Waquoit said:
Iowa State is such a significant program that the game went untelevised.
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How many AAC football games are televised...other than regionally? You have some brass shooting down ISU. How about those 2-10 Huskies...better than SMU by a game.
 
Will Texas & Oklahoma still like their CONTROL when the Gross Payout is 50% of some of the other conferences?

See that's where this could go. This is a leaky cartel & the numbers are such, the contract clauses are such ... that it could bust at the edges quickly. P5 could go P3 & then who knows who has lost in that Musical Chair game. (cough cough ... Iowa State)
 
Waquoit said:
Iowa State is such a significant program that the game went untelevised.
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The game ISU won at UConn several years ago was televised. Don't know about the UConn win in Ames back in 2002. Not that any of that matters which includes whatever feeble point you were attempting to make.
 
Pudge said:
Will Texas & Oklahoma still like their CONTROL when the Gross Payout is 50% of some of the other conferences?

See that's where this could go. This is a leaky cartel & the numbers are such, the contract clauses are such ... that it could bust at the edges quickly. P5 could go P3 & then who knows who has lost in that Musical Chair game. (cough cough ... Iowa State)
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Well that is one optional future pretend world. Meanwhile in today's reality...
 
Rinaldi said:
How many AAC football games are televised...other than regionally? You have some brass shooting down ISU. How about those 2-10 Huskies...better than SMU by a game.
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It doesn't take all that much brass to shoot down a team with 0 conference wins. Just saying.
 
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SenecaTinsley said:
Well that is one optional future pretend world. Meanwhile in today's reality...
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Econ 101

Cartels cheat. The Money changes in such a fashion that the incentives push the major Players to abrogate any and all the contract clauses. You'll never keep Texas if they can get $70m in a Pac 12 (or 20) or a B1G NEWCO. You cannot keep up. Control won't keep them if the numbers widen. And, you have already set the precedent that you can take this out of the NCAA. Iowa State is one of the most vulnerable of the P5.

You think this is pretend? I say it is going to be a 30-40 Super Conference & you ain't in it. (then it will shake out from there)
 
UCONN13KC said:
It doesn't take all that much brass to shoot down a team with 0 conference wins. Just saying.
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Not much, but some when your team had one conference win. But when you're bitter, you use what you can.
 
Pudge said:
Econ 101

Cartels cheat. The Money changes in such a fashion that the incentives push the major Players to abrogate any and all the contract clauses. You'll never keep Texas if they can get $70m in a Pac 12 (or 20) or a B1G NEWCO. You cannot keep up. Control won't keep them if the numbers widen. And, you have already set the precedent that you can take this out of the NCAA. Iowa State is one of the most vulnerable of the P5.

You think this is pretend? I say it is going to be a 30-40 Super Conference & you ain't in it. (then it will shake out from there)
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Yeah, I know that's what you're saying. I'm not overly familiar with your ability to see into the future, please excuse my skepticism. Frankly, the chance of only 30-40 teams being in the top level of college football is exceedingly small. On the other hand, if that future vision helps you cope with today's reality then party on, brother.
 
UCONN13KC said:
It doesn't take all that much brass to shoot down a team with 0 conference wins. Just saying.
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...compared to your 1 conference win. In a G5 conference no less. You're picking the wrong season to defend UConn football.
 
SenecaTinsley said:
Well that is one optional future pretend world. Meanwhile in today's reality...
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Many UConn fans need to live in an "optional pretend world" in order to get out of bed in the morning. In that world we are in a p5 conference where the UConn athletic programs are not at risk like they are in the real world of the AAC.
 
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Rinaldi said:
...compared to your 1 conference win. In a G5 conference no less. You're picking the wrong season to defend UConn football.
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UCONN football stunk this year, no question. But we've already been kicked in the balls multiple times so we can handle it. ISU fans with an 0-fer in a shaky conference will be hit with some hard knowledge soon enough. By the way, a win over UCF beats a loss to Kansas any day of the week.
 
John Greene said:
Many UConn fans need to live in an "optional pretend world" in order to get out of bed in the morning. In that world we are in a p5 conference where the UConn athletic programs are not at risk like they are in the real world of the AAC.
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And that is honestly not right. College athletics were meant to be regional rivalries with schools that shared common traits not some made for television event with zero flavor. If you have so many schools in your conference that you play another school every four to six years, that is no longer a conference. It's a marketing consortium.
 
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UCONN13KC said:
UCONN football stunk this year, no question. But we've already been kicked in the balls multiple times so we can handle it. ISU fans with an 0-fer in a shaky conference will be hit with some hard knowledge soon enough. By the way, a win over UCF beats a loss to Kansas any day of the week.
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It's a cold, barren world when you are reduced to hoping other schools are tossed aside and bragging about a single conference win.
 
MattMang23 said:
Well, this is a UConn message board, so....

What are you doing here, again?
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I don't have a problem with UConn. Matter of fact I like UConn. Enjoy the basketball program very much. Think you should be in the ACC, not the AAC. I'm certainly not here to pick a fight. It's just ripping on ISU (in whom I have nothing invested) after your 2014 football season is a bit hard to swallow. Just guessing here, but you don't have much tolerance for criticism, do you?
 
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UCONN13KC said:
UCONN football stunk this year, no question. But we've already been kicked in the balls multiple times so we can handle it. ISU fans with an 0-fer in a shaky conference will be hit with some hard knowledge soon enough. By the way, a win over UCF beats a loss to Kansas any day of the week.
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...and your win over Army? Come on, 2014 is over. Let's hope for improvement this year. Pretty hard to defend either ISU or UConn football in 2014. It sounds like "We sucked but we sucked less than you." Hard to win that argument. Furthermore, why even have it?
 
Rinaldi said:
I don't have a problem with UConn. Matter of fact I like UConn. Enjoy the basketball program very much. Think you should be in the ACC, not the AAC. I'm certainly not here to pick a fight. It's just ripping on ISU (in whom I have nothing invested) after your 2014 football season is a bit hard to swallow. Just guessing here, but you don't have much tolerance for criticism, do you?
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No, what I don't have tolerance for is people coming to a UConn board and acting surprised about or admonishing UConn fans for defending UConn.

I know, it's odd that people here would defend the school whose athletic programs this board was developed to discuss.
 
MattMang23 said:
No, what I don't have tolerance for is people coming to a UConn board and acting surprised about or admonishing UConn fans for defending UConn.

I know, it's odd that people here would defend the school whose athletic programs this board was developed to discuss.
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got ya
 
SenecaTinsley said:
Well that is one optional future pretend world. Meanwhile in today's reality...
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Seneca, you are in WAY over your head if you're talking smack with Pudge. He, if anyone, would know what's going on behind the scenes due to his professional life. I'l take his conjecture over your feeble smack talk anytime.
 
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coachcap said:
Seneca, you are in WAY over your head if you're talking smack with Pudge. He, if anyone, would know what's going on behind the scenes due to his professional life. I'l take his conjecture over your feeble smack talk anytime.
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I thought Pudge was in mourning over Leonard Nimoy, or at least lamenting Michael Keaton's loss.
 
SenecaTinsley said:
It's a cold, barren world when you are reduced to hoping other schools are tossed aside and bragging about a single conference win.
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As lonely and as cold as the one you must be living in to be here right now?
 
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