BY25 preseason poll: *Results are in*

[triaddukefan]

Guess I'll go ahead and release my poll.... an unbiased poll I might add. There was a Bernie Mac line that came to mind to add to this post, but I ain't trying to get banned the first week of the season.

1) Stanford
2) South Carolina
3) UCONN
4) NC State
5) Maryland
6) Baylor
7) Louisville
8) Oregon
9) Indiana
10) Arizona
11) Iowa
12) Florida State
13) Michigan
14) Iowa State
15) Georgia
16) Kentucky
17) Notre Dame
18) Oregon State
19) Virginia Tech
20) South Dakota
21) South Florida
22) UCLA
23) West Virginia
24) Duke
25) High Point

 

[Zanzman]

Guess I'll go ahead and release my poll.... an unbiased poll I might add. There was a Bernie Mac line that came to mind to add to this post, but I ain't trying to get banned the first week of the season.

1) Stanford
2) South Carolina
3) UCONN
4) NC State
5) Maryland
6) Baylor
7) Louisville
8) Oregon
9) Indiana
10) Arizona
11) Iowa
12) Florida State
13) Michigan
14) Iowa State
15) Georgia
16) Kentucky
17) Notre Dame
18) Oregon State
19) Virginia Tech
20) South Dakota
21) South Florida
22) UCLA
23) West Virginia
24) Duke
25) High Point

Duke above high point really?

 

[sweetspot]

We need transparency on the "N.C. State is No. 1" vote. Namely... huh?

 

[LoTrader]

Plebe, you are the best! Thanks for all the effort to publish the Boneyard WCBB Poll. Love the results and all the banter. I'll do better and get my poll in next time.

 

[JonathanXIV]

Guess I'll go ahead and release my poll.... an unbiased poll I might add. There was a Bernie Mac line that came to mind to add to this post, but I ain't trying to get banned the first week of the season.

1) Stanford
2) South Carolina
3) UCONN
4) NC State
5) Maryland
6) Baylor
7) Louisville
8) Oregon
9) Indiana
10) Arizona
11) Iowa
12) Florida State
13) Michigan
14) Iowa State
15) Georgia
16) Kentucky
17) Notre Dame
18) Oregon State
19) Virginia Tech
20) South Dakota
21) South Florida
22) UCLA
23) West Virginia
24) Duke
25) High Point

Didn’t have to give your name. The High Point vote was enough to identify you.

 

[triaddukefan]

Didn’t have to give your name. The High Point vote was enough to identify you.

 

[Bigboote]

I did my part. I had South Dakota and Missouri State on my pre-season ballot.

Me too.

 

[Plebe]

For those (like me) like to geek out over the vote distributions:

These tables show how many votes each team received for each ranking position. For example, South Carolina was #1 on 8 ballots, #2 on 11 ballots, and #3 on 7 ballots.

For teams 1-5 (each of these teams appeared on all 26 ballots):

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
1. S. Carolina	8	11	7	-	-	-	-	-
2. Stanford	10	4	11	1	-	-	-	-
3. UConn	7	10	7	2	-	-	-	-
4. Maryland	-	1	1	11	9	4	-	-
5. NC State	1	-	-	9	12	1	2	1

A bit more dispersion in the balloting of teams 6-11 (each of these teams also appeared on all 26 ballots):

Team	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
6. Louisville	1	2	9	7	3	1	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
7. Indiana	-	-	5	3	7	6	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1
8. Iowa	-	1	3	3	4	11	1	2	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-
9. Oregon	2	-	-	7	4	1	7	3	-	1	-	-	1	-	-	-
10. Baylor	-	2	3	2	3	2	4	4	4	-	2	-	-	-	-	-
11. Michigan	-	-	1	1	3	3	3	6	4	2	1	1	-	1	1	-

 

[eebmg]

Stanford 10-4-11 is pretty weird.

Must be clear East Coast (assume #3) - West Coast split (assume #1)

 

[Plebe]

Stanford 10-4-11 is pretty weird.

Must be clear East Coast (assume #3) - West Coast split (assume #1)

Maybe, but I read it more as a divide between those who showed deference to Stanford as the reigning champs and those who didn't.

I did my part. I had South Dakota and Missouri State on my pre-season ballot.

Missouri State appeared on 11 out of 26 ballots, two of which had them at #15 and #16.

FGCU was also on 11 ballots, with #15 being its highest ballot position.

South Dakota appeared on 10 ballots, with a high of #17.

 

[D J B]

Someone (@undersized) is smoking something real good to put Maryland ahead of both Stanford and UConn. They will most likely win the Big Ten, but will not go undefeated within their conference. Then they have NC State, Stanford, South Carolina, and Baylor in non-conference play. I believe at best they will split those four games.

I agree that the Terps should not be placed above Stanford and UConn. But I would never, ever bet against Brenda Frese. She is a pure talent, and can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse using only a needle and thread.

 

[undersized]

For those (like me) like to geek out over the vote distributions:

These tables show how many votes each team received for each ranking position. For example, South Carolina was #1 on 8 ballots, #2 on 11 ballots, and #3 on 7 ballots.

For teams 1-5 (each of these teams appeared on all 26 ballots):

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
1. S. Carolina	8	11	7	-	-	-	-	-
2. Stanford	10	4	11	1	-	-	-	-
3. UConn	7	10	7	2	-	-	-	-
4. Maryland	-	1	1	11	9	4	-	-
5. NC State	1	-	-	9	12	1	2	1

A bit more dispersion in the balloting of teams 6-11 (each of these teams also appeared on all 26 ballots):

Team	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19
6. Louisville	1	2	9	7	3	1	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
7. Indiana	-	-	5	3	7	6	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1
8. Iowa	-	1	3	3	4	11	1	2	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-
9. Oregon	2	-	-	7	4	1	7	3	-	1	-	-	1	-	-	-
10. Baylor	-	2	3	2	3	2	4	4	4	-	2	-	-	-	-	-
11. Michigan	-	-	1	1	3	3	3	6	4	2	1	1	-	1	1	-

For as much as we fans like to sit on the outside and criticize the AP voters etc., this lines up pretty much exactly with the AP poll. The only difference is having Baylor down a few spots. I think this means that collectively, we're all more "sheep-like" than we'd like to admit.

 

[MSGRET]

My sincere apologies, @Lorcan . I don't know how Idaho State got left out of that post. And unfortunately, the short time limit on edits prevents me from correcting my post.

As you say, Idaho State was among the teams listed on one ballot. Confirming that the teams appearing on only one ballot are Seton Hall, Stephen F. Austin, Michigan State, Idaho State, South Dakota State, Cal Baptist, and High Point.

As I read your email, I can't help but wonder when was the last time a Big Sky team was ranked in the AP top 25 of WCBB? Any idea?

I wonder who put them on their ballot? Hey @triaddukefan do you know anything about that inclusion?

 

[Gamecockfan77]

It's interesting how knowledge of injuries now would definitely change some votes. For instance, would Oregon be as high without Pao Pao and Rogers? Probably not.

I'm disappointed at the lack of respect for the mid-majors in this poll. Not a single mid-major included in the Top 25. It's almost as if the name recognition of Ohio State and West Virginia means something despite Missouri State, Florida Gulf Coast, and South Dakota being perfectly fantastic teams with a lot going for them this year.

In any case, thanks as always, Plebe for putting this together.

I voted for all three mid majors that you mentioned and not OSU and WVU.

 

[triaddukefan]

Duke above high point really?

Yeah.... I went to the Duke exhibition, didn't make it to High Point's. Perhaps if I did I may have reversed my vote.

I wonder who put them on their ballot? Hey @triaddukefan do you know anything about that inclusion?

Mildly disappointed they didn't get more votes. They return everybody off of a squad that held UConn to 102 points... thought that would give them a bit more respeck on here.

 

[Plebe]

For as much as we fans like to sit on the outside and criticize the AP voters etc., this lines up pretty much exactly with the AP poll. The only difference is having Baylor down a few spots. I think this means that collectively, we're all more "sheep-like" than we'd like to admit.

Collectively, it's true. I also think the previously published preseason polls (AP, especially) exert a strong gravitational pull since no one's been able to actually see the teams play actual games.

FWIW there are some bigger discrepancies in the teams ranked 12 and below, especially for UCLA, Arizona, and Georgia.

Team	Points​	# of ballots​	High​	Low​	AP poll​	Coaches poll​
12. Iowa St	305​	25​	8​	-​	12​	16​
13. UCLA	251​	26​	11​	22​	20​	14​
14. Arizona	225​	25​	9​	-​	22​	15​
15. Ore. St	222​	22​	10​	-​	14​	18​
16. KY	219​	22​	12​	-​	13​	13​
17T. Tenn.	216​	24​	11​	-​	15​	12​
17T. GA	216​	23​	7​	-​	RV-1​	19​
19. G. Tech	161​	20​	10​	-​	17T​	20​
20. TAMU	158​	23​	13​	-​	23​	17​
21. FL St	143​	18​	12​	-​	16​	24​
22. Texas	111​	15​	10​	-​	25​	21​
23. OH St	103​	14​	16​	-​	17T​	25​
24. WV	94​	15​	11​	-​	19​	23​
25. V. Tech	68​	13​	14​	-​	24​	RV-3​
RV. MO St	52​	11​	15​	-​	RV-4​	RV-1​
RV. N. Dame	52​	12​	17​	-​	RV-10​	RV-22T​
RV. S. Fla.	51​	13​	19​	-​	21​	22​
RV. FGCU	49​	11​	15​	-​	RV-3​	RV-4​
RV. S. Dak.	44​	10​	17​	-​	RV-5​	RV-22T​
RV. Duke	23​	6​	14​	-​	--​	--​
RV. Ark.	8​	3​	21​	-​	--​	RV-5​

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[LowkeyX]

Number of 1st-place votes shown in parentheses:

View attachment 70838

Also receiving votes (on at least two ballots): Missouri State 52, Notre Dame 52, South Florida 51, Florida Gulf Coast 49, South Dakota 44, Duke 23, Arkansas 8, LSU 4, BYU 3, North Carolina 2.

Thank you to all who voted. Twenty-six ballots were submitted.

The next poll will be Monday, November 22, 2021.

I had everybody except West VA & Texas. I’m not sure what the hype is behind West VA but I didn’t see much of them last year so I wouldn’t know. I put Florida Gulf Coast & South Florida in their place.

2 teams that might eventually get ranked (BY, AP & Coaches)… Duke depending on how all their transfers jell in Kara’s system & Arkansas if Goforth/Ramirez/Daniels leads them with Wolfenbarger lives up to her potential.

 

[triaddukefan]

To the person who voted Duke at 14... May I have a word with you??

 

[Lorcan]

To the person who voted Duke at 14... May I have a word with you??

Can I have whatever they are smoking?

 

[Lorcan]

Plebe, quick question. Is the Boneyard Poll planning to be bi-weekly as it was last year, so the next edition will roll out on Monday the 22nd? Just wanted to be sure I didn't have to wait to add some good teams to the poll that nobody else votes for.

 

[Plebe]

Plebe, quick question. Is the Boneyard Poll planning to be bi-weekly as it was last year, so the next edition will roll out on Monday the 22nd? Just wanted to be sure I didn't have to wait to add some good teams to the poll that nobody else votes for.

Yes, biweekly. Next poll is on the 22nd.

 

[hoophuskee]

Honestly, I think it's entirely within the realm of possibility that this Maryland squad turns into something special with the returning players along with Angel Reese getting another year under her belt. They will be scary efficient on offense, and if Bibby and Benzan are hitting their threes....they can trounce anyone.

This season is really going to be an interesting example of good offenses such as Iowa, UConn, Maryland going up against pretty darn good defenses in South Carolina, Stanford, and Texas. I'm glad that Stanford got Maryland and Indiana on their schedule along with South Carolina. This is going to be a battle tested Stanford team come tourney time -- lots to learn between now and then.

I always consider Maryland as a paper tiger. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Plebe]

Just a reminder: The next round of balloting is due on Monday. On Thursday or Friday I'll create a new thread to call for the ballots.

Each poll is open to everyone on the Boneyard. You don't have to have voted in the preseason poll to participate in this one. I'm particularly hoping that some of our regular voters from last season who did not submit a preseason ballot will decide to rejoin the fun <wink wink nudge nudge>.

Lots of games in the next three days could influence the poll, of course, but who are the teams that seem to be ranked too high or too low at this point?

 

[visitingcock]

Just a reminder: The next round of balloting is due on Monday. On Thursday or Friday I'll create a new thread to call for the ballots.

Each poll is open to everyone on the Boneyard. You don't have to have voted in the preseason poll to participate in this one. I'm particularly hoping that some of our regular voters from last season who did not submit a preseason ballot will decide to rejoin the fun <wink wink nudge nudge>.

Lots of games in the next three days could influence the poll, of course, but who are the teams that seem to be ranked too high or too low at this point?

So ballots are due before the potential Gamecocks v Huskies matchup?

It don’t seem right.

 

[triaddukefan]

Just a reminder: The next round of balloting is due on Monday. On Thursday or Friday I'll create a new thread to call for the ballots.

Each poll is open to everyone on the Boneyard. You don't have to have voted in the preseason poll to participate in this one. I'm particularly hoping that some of our regular voters from last season who did not submit a preseason ballot will decide to rejoin the fun <wink wink nudge nudge>.

Lots of games in the next three days could influence the poll, of course, but who are the teams that seem to be ranked too high or too low at this point?

Are you meaning teams that were ranked on the published poll... or teams that were on the ballot that you submitted? Not sure if that makes any sense, but I think you get what Im saying.

 

[triaddukefan]

So ballots are due before the potential Gamecocks v Huskies matchup?

It don’t seem right.

I was thinking more like the Oregon-UConn matchup

 

[Plebe]

So ballots are due before the potential Gamecocks v Huskies matchup?

It don’t seem right.

Will the AP postpone its poll? If so I will consider it. But high-profile Monday games are no rare thing, and the Boneyard poll, like the AP poll, isn't in the habit of altering its clock.

The AP poll was famously postponed, for the first time ever, until after the 1995 MLK Day game between UConn and Tennessee. I'm not aware of any other occasion when this has happened, though.

Are you meaning teams that were ranked on the published poll... or teams that were on the ballot that you submitted? Not sure if that makes any sense, but I think you get what Im saying.

Either-or

 

[undersized]

There better be some more ballots with FGCU present.

 

[triaddukefan]

Just a reminder: The next round of balloting is due on Monday. On Thursday or Friday I'll create a new thread to call for the ballots.

Each poll is open to everyone on the Boneyard. You don't have to have voted in the preseason poll to participate in this one. I'm particularly hoping that some of our regular voters from last season who did not submit a preseason ballot will decide to rejoin the fun <wink wink nudge nudge>.

Lots of games in the next three days could influence the poll, of course, but who are the teams that seem to be ranked too high or too low at this point?

Looking at my poll....I didn't have Texas ranked, so that looks like I undervalued them. I may have had ranked High Point too high.