Butler Post Game Thread

[ctbro1999]

Also, Hurley's struggles with drawing up effective last shots (or near last shots) continues. I wish his Dad would pass him a note with the play to call. It always seems to end with a desperation heave or out of control drive. I know it's impossible to look up, but I'd love to know our shooting percentage on last shots under Hurley. Maybe AI could pull that up. Hurley has back to back titles and can't be criticized for lack of overall success, but end of game play calling is his weak point.

I think Solo only touched the ball like once the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half. Simply couldn't free him up for a shot. And he's probably our best guy at creating a 1 on 1 shot while McNeeley's out.
We just don't have the shot creators we had the last 2 years... McNeeley is really the only guy that can get a shot by himself, then Solo to a lesser extent. I don't think that can be fixed this year.

 

[Sibeerian]

Why can't they run more stuff for Ball. He should be running around screens till his feet blister and taking twice the number of 3s he's jacking up,at least till McNeeley returns.

I watched the off-ball action and the number of clutches, grabs and hits on Solo was unreal. In the big east those are not fouls I guess. Hopefully in a tourney that allows freedom of movement, that helps us.

 

[REB1094]

I guess when you do everything you can to lose but you still win, you just take the W and move on

Nothing constructive to be said that hasn’t already been said after every single game this year so I’ll just focus on the parts that I liked instead

Karaban took last game personally. Honestly I’d rather have him go 8-17 than 4-6. Need him to take every possession personally instead of every other game. Watching him get cooked by Telfort over and over again was hard, but watching him cook himself was fun!

Watching Solo off ball is really looking more and more like Hawkins. This kid is getting mugged off ball every possession and still lit up for 5 threes

Idk why Andre Screen turns into Hakeem Olajuwon against us but I thought our Cs did well overall. Lots of points, lots of blocks

Gauntlet part of the BE is coming up soon, hopefully with Liam back. Survive without him and let’s see what happens with him?

 

[Palatine]

It's easy to forget for the first 15 minutes of the game we played some of the best basketball of the season. We went up 15 points. Scored 37, that's a 98 point pace. Our tempo was great. We were blowing them out of the building. We are capable of playing great basketball. We just need to play more of it.

 

[boog204]

People... We won. It wasn't pretty. Our flaws were again exposed. But we won. We know what this team is. The staff knows what this team is. We have the ability to look really good. We have the ability to play down to teams and lose our composure.

But man, this thread is a total dumpster fire. We've won back-to-back nattys. And we're criticizing the coaching staff and their ability to coach and develop? We're arguing about an all-american from last year? Constant "we're playing 8 on 5" bs. The refs suck. We get away and have gotten away with ENDLESS bad calls. It goes both ways. It's embarrassing. There are worthy criticisms out there but this (and the chat) just denigrates into some whiny, entitled, we suck narrative. We're 14-5 and ranked. We have more or less stayed the course without our best player. We're going to be an NCAA team who will be a dangerous out.

Remember that thread in the summer about "toxic fanbases" that you all denied?

 

[HCCForever]

What’s game day Conor’s job, thought he was suppose to get the crowd rowdy. Place was a morgue last night, building had 0 energy. Probnaly because its Butler on a Tuesday but come on

I watched the game on FS1 and it looked like many open seats. What was the crowd size in Hartford?

 

[ctbro1999]

People... We won. It wasn't pretty. Our flaws were again exposed. But we won. We know what this team is. The staff knows what this team is. We have the ability to look really good. We have the ability to play down to teams and lose our composure.

But man, this thread is a total dumpster fire. We've won back-to-back nattys. And we're criticizing the coaching staff and their ability to coach and develop? We're arguing about an all-american from last year? Constant "we're playing 8 on 5" bs. The refs suck. We get away and have gotten away with ENDLESS bad calls. It goes both ways. It's embarrassing. There are worthy criticisms out there but this (and the chat) just denigrates into some whiny, entitled, we suck narrative. We're 14-5 and ranked. We have more or less stayed the course without our best player. We're going to be an NCAA team who will be a dangerous out.

Remember that thread in the summer about "toxic fanbases" that you all denied?

It's sorta sad to see that kind of stuff get posted after nearly every game. It's one thing to blow off some steam, but to constantly be a curmudgeon and post all the toxic fan stuff is ridiculous.

If all of us were proposed 3 years ago "Your team will win the national championship 2 out of the next 3 years in dominating fashion" all of us would have been sprinting like Usain Bolt to take it, no further questions asked. To expect to have the best team in the country year after year is unrealistic in any sport, let alone college basketball. We should be glad that a chance at a 3-peat is still even remotely possible.

 

[dennismenace]

One of the least satisfying wins I can ever recall. From the coaches down to the last player, this whole program is clueless right now. And everyone thinks getting Liam back is going to change everything?? Not bloody likely

Two years ago around this time of year DH had some kind of epiphany after losing 4 of 6.

Think he should have a heart to heart and open minded sitdown with his staff. Granted we don't have the team we had that year, injuries etc. but there is something wrong with this team and it just doesn't look together (mental mistakes) at all.

We have enough talent and superior coaching pedigree to be a lot better than this. No head scratching and excuses. Change the tactics and call timeouts when you don't like what you see. Stop the slides before they really going into a spiral.

It's not too late to turn the season around and at least be respectable and perhaps much more.

Fingers crossed.

 

[RuffRuff]

People... We won. It wasn't pretty. Our flaws were again exposed. But we won. We know what this team is. The staff knows what this team is. We have the ability to look really good. We have the ability to play down to teams and lose our composure.

But man, this thread is a total dumpster fire. We've won back-to-back nattys. And we're criticizing the coaching staff and their ability to coach and develop? We're arguing about an all-american from last year? It's embarrassing. There are worthy criticisms out there but this (and the chat) just denigrates into some whiny, entitled, we suck narrative. Remember that thread in the summer about "toxic fanbases" that you all denied?

Eh, this is how fans react, cope, whatever you want to call it. Let the good people of the Yard flesh it out, air out of their system. It’s not always rationale. It’s a fanbase with high hopes with their message board adrenals firing, ironing out some disappointment. Go take a look at Rupp after a loss if you want to see dumpster fire. This is like your wife pissed off at you when you forgot to take out the trash, but you know she loves you. No one is putting Hurley on a stake.

Also, Hurley's struggles with drawing up effective last shots (or near last shots) continues. I wish his Dad would pass him a note with the play to call. It always seems to end with a desperation heave or out of control drive. I know it's impossible to look up, but I'd love to know our shooting percentage on last shots under Hurley. Maybe AI could pull that up. Hurley has back to back titles and can't be criticized for lack of overall success, but end of game play calling is his weak point.

There have definitely been some really “interesting” strategic moves by this staff late in close games. Between the inbounds plays, the offensive sets, and most notably giving Steven Ashworth a free release to the inbounder (inbounder being guarded by our best perimeter defender???), it’s been head scratching.

I know there’s a lot of in DH we trust, and it’s been earned, but clear they’re not “bulletproof” either and that’s ok. Part of the journey.

 

[dennismenace]

I was worried he'd actually said something bad.

Dude has to feel like he's being gaslit by the entire world sometimes. He isn't wrong when he talks about not getting enough respect considering his accomplishments and status in the sport. He just dares to say it out loud.

Are you saying DH is a victim? Poor Danny
Is it true his wife used to remind him he was just a little above a gym teacher or was that a joke.

Sorry but to me his appeals look like they are designed to mock and show up the refs.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/pO0TcsNV6DoAAAAC/greta-how-dare-you.gif

 

[superjohn]

Loser Goodman at it again...

 

[BlueandOG]

We're fine. Part of being a back-to-back champion is everyone brings their A game when they play you. It will make us stronger as the season progresses. Two things matter: 1) we get an invitation to the dance and 2) we peak in March.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I mean I don’t actually think the defense was bad tonight. The 4+ minute offensive droughts were the issue. Giving up 76 on OT isn’t bad

No the defense was bad and the 4 minute drought was bad