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superjohn said:
He's arrogant and the biggest name in the sport. Some people are going to love him and some are going to hate him. I enjoy all of it except when a tantrum costs us at the end of a game.
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I get why he does it and there are better spots to do it than others for sure. Some have said it hasn’t worked and has hurt the team. That’s debatable. Certainly he can pick his spots and just how vociferous he is. But I don’t want to hear the whining when other coaches are going to the center court logo to argue. And watch any Chiefs game and try to defend the officiating in their games as well as the flopping and baiting for flags by Mahomes. If folks are not upset about those situations, then they shouldn’t be about Hurley.
 
I'm also wondering why we don't see Solo's 40 inch plus vertical in games. I was expecting him to posterize fools this season. He needs to play angry.
 
superjohn said:
"Billy Donocan was just a good coach when he left for the NBA in 2015."

His last four seasons in college he went to three elite 8's and a final 4 in his last season. Four final 4's, two national championships.

Yep, just a good coach. What???
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I agree he was an excellent coach. But in 2007 he was the next big thing. He won zero championships after that. Zilch. He had good teams and not so good ones. In his last year at Florida he went 16-17 fwiw, not to the Final Four. In 2007 he was going to be the next John Wooden. By 2015 he was still viewed as good but not as good as Coach K, or Roy Williams or Jim Calhoun or some others who had won multiple titles in multiple years. Elite 8s are Elite 8s. Nobody says “he is a great coach. He got us to 3 Elite 8s.” Heck they wanted to fire Calhoun for only getting to Elite 8s. It was kind of nostalgic when he got to a Final Four. Donovan was the new face of college basketball in 2007. By 2015 he was a good coach. You want to say very good, I agree with that. UF fan base wasn’t crushed when he left. They would have been in 2007. winning back to back is a huge accomplishment obviously. But college basketball is a what have you done for me lately business.

Look, it happens. Perceptions change. When Calipari won at Kentucky I remember reading a piece (about how he had “reinvented” college basketball and he would probably win many more with his ability to recruit 5 star talent. Doubt anyone says that now.
 
More than one thing can be true. I actually could not finish watching the game last night. I found myself screaming at the television, and I might have scared my family a bit. However, the reasons why I was upset may surprise some:
  • First, I could not take the refs any longer. And its exactly what Dan Hurley said after the game: we fouled, sure. But they were just as physical and their physicality was not called. Now, please hear this: I know that the refs missed calls both ways. I noticed that too, particularly with out of bounds calls. But the ref's failure to stop the constant holding by opponents is far more harmful than the stupid fouls our guys commit. If you are going to call a tight game, call it so on both sides of the court. That's all I ask.
  • You all know that I love our coaches. I would say that their choices relative to our defensive calls have been weak. To wit, man defense versus zone versus pressing, etc. We are trying to guard like we did in the last two years. We no longer have that personnel. Additionally, I have to believe that we are now feeling the effect of not giving Nowell significant time earlier in the year when healthy, and not giving Abraham any time. My love for them does not blind me: they put all their eggs on three players that are really limited defensively: Stewart, Ross and Aidan. It would be nice to know if Abraham and Nowell may have provided something something defensively, had they had been given a chance.

All of that said, Liam comes back and we are back to being a top 10 team. No doubt about it in my mind. And to those of you that mock that our best player is a freshman: get a clue. This kid is special. Only player who can penetrate and create successfully. Only wing player who is strong enough to consistently get boards and play tough D. Dude is a baller. By the way, the number 2 team in the country right now, their best player is also a freshman.

My take about Hurley's "I am the best coach in the world, dont turn your back to me" comment:
  • REF'S DONT TURN THEIR BACK ON COACHES THEY RESPECT. I TOO, AM TRIGGER BY DISRESPECT.
  • In my experience, sometimes you gotta demand respect.
  • He is, in fact, the best coach in America. Is anyone really disputing that???
 
temery said:
Unless he laughed right after he said it, he meant it.
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I have no problem wit h the "Don't turn you back on me" part. If he followed that up with something about being the premier team in the sport or something, I'd probably be okay with that too.

But saying "I am the best coach in the ducking sport" is just an ugly, conceited look. Being arrogant is one thing, you need that to a degree to be that competitive and sucessful, but that comes across as petty and selfish, even to his fans and team.
 
Mike Honcho said:
I think the skill and roster construction is the bigger issue, but agreed that this is the first UConn team in a long time that I can remember without DOGS. Andre Jackson, Cam Spencer, Kevin Freeman, Ed Saunders, Donny Marshall, Tyrese Martin, Shabazz Napier, Rod Sellers, Kemba Walker, Ryan Boatright. Dudes who were liable to blow their lid at any time and get T'd up. Guys who oozed competitiveness. Liam definitely has it, and we need that, but it's a glaring team deficit. Hurley talked about this the other day. Not sure we are going to toughen up with this roster, but I hope we start factoring this into our recruiting because playing with a chip on your shoulder matters.
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I think every team needs at least a handful of dudes where, if a fistfight breaks out on the court, they're running into it rather than away from it. I don't know who we have that fits the bill outside Diarra. Maybe Stewart and McNeeley.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
I think every team needs at least a handful of dudes where, if a fistfight breaks out on the court, they're running into it rather than away from it. I don't know who we have that fits the bill outside Diarra. Maybe Stewart and McNeeley.
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Diarra on the switchblade, Jaylen on the nunchucks, Mahaney with the slingshot, Tarris with his fists.
 
freescooter said:
I agree he was an excellent coach. But in 2007 he was the next big thing. He won zero championships after that. Zilch. He had good teams and not so good ones. In his last year at Florida he went 16-17 fwiw, not to the Final Four. In 2007 he was going to be the next John Wooden. By 2015 he was still viewed as good but not as good as Coach K, or Roy Williams or Jim Calhoun or some others who had won multiple titles in multiple years. Elite 8s are Elite 8s. Nobody says “he is a great coach. He got us to 3 Elite 8s.” Heck they wanted to fire Calhoun for only getting to Elite 8s. It was kind of nostalgic when he got to a Final Four. Donovan was the new face of college basketball in 2007. By 2015 he was a good coach. You want to say very good, I agree with that. UF fan base wasn’t crushed when he left. They would have been in 2007. winning back to back is a huge accomplishment obviously. But college basketball is a what have you done for me lately business.

Look, it happens. Perceptions change. When Calipari won at Kentucky I remember reading a piece (about how he had “reinvented” college basketball and he would probably win many more with his ability to recruit 5 star talent. Doubt anyone says that now.
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Well, I think we can still say Cal reinvented college basketball. It just turns out the rest of us get to play his game now (legally). And he's not so good when the playing floor is even.
 
uconn_jack said:
I have no problem wit h the "Don't turn you back on me" part. If he followed that up with something about being the premier team in the sport or something, I'd probably be okay with that too.

But saying "I am the best coach in the ducking sport" is just an ugly, conceited look. Being arrogant is one thing, you need that to a degree to be that competitive and sucessful, but that comes across as petty and selfish, even to his fans and team.
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I can't believe we're criticizing Hurley for being pompous. Like, this has been the UConn basketball brand for 3 decades.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
More than one thing can be true. I actually could not finish watching the game last night. I found myself screaming at the television, and I might have scared my family a bit. However, the reasons why I was upset may surprise some:
  • First, I could not take the refs any longer. And its exactly what Dan Hurley said after the game: we fouled, sure. But they were just as physical and their physicality was not called. Now, please hear this: I know that the refs missed calls both ways. I noticed that too, particularly with out of bounds calls. But the ref's failure to stop the constant holding by opponents is far more harmful than the stupid fouls our guys commit. If you are going to call a tight game, call it so on both sides of the court. That's all I ask.
  • You all know that I love our coaches. I would say that their choices relative to our defensive calls have been weak. To wit, man defense versus zone versus pressing, etc. We are trying to guard like we did in the last two years. We no longer have that personnel. Additionally, I have to believe that we are now feeling the effect of not giving Nowell significant time earlier in the year when healthy, and not giving Abraham any time. My love for them does not blind me: they put all their eggs on three players that are really limited defensively: Stewart, Ross and Aidan. It would be nice to know if Abraham and Nowell may have provided something something defensively, had they had been given a chance.

All of that said, Liam comes back and we are back to being a top 10 team. No doubt about it in my mind. And to those of you that mock that our best player is a freshman: get a clue. This kid is special. Only player who can penetrate and create successfully. Only wing player who is strong enough to consistently get boards and play tough D. Dude is a baller. By the way, the number 2 team in the country right now, their best player is also a freshman.

My take about Hurley's "I am the best coach in the world, dont turn your back to me" comment:
  • REF'S DONT TURN THEIR BACK ON COACHES THEY RESPECT. I TOO, AM TRIGGER BY DISRESPECT.
  • In my experience, sometimes you gotta demand respect.
  • He is, in fact, the best coach in America. Is anyone really disputing that???
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WrenchFan69 said:
I think every team needs at least a handful of dudes where, if a fistfight breaks out on the court, they're running into it rather than away from it. I don't know who we have that fits the bill outside Diarra. Maybe Stewart and McNeeley.
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Agree. Does The Wrench fit the bill?
 
superjohn said:
He's arrogant and the biggest name in the sport. Some people are going to love him and some are going to hate him. I enjoy all of it except when a tantrum costs us at the end of a game.
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Dan is still the PG from Seton Hall that everybody hated. Now he plays for us. He is one of us who has been wildly successful. If he doesn't appeal to the Marquis of Queensbury or John Wooden crowd, oh well.
 
NHUConnfan said:
I can't believe we're criticizing Hurley for being pompous. Like, this has been the UConn basketball brand for 3 decades.
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Being arrogant and pompous about UConn and the program, yes, I love that. But he made it about him, which isn't a good look. If they read his lips demanding respect for the program, he'd get some flack from the usual places, but it would blow over and most people wouldn't care, it certainly wouldn't have been picked up as a story in almost every media outlet. The fact that he made it about him demanding respect for being the best coach in the country (even if he is), that touched a nerve and made even people that don't care or even like his antics step back and say whoa. Arrogance is one thing, especially if it earned and deserved, but narcissism isn't a good look.
 
For anyone keeping track....

Through 19 games of sophomore year -
Solo Ball: 55 3PM at 45.1%
Jordan Hawkins (minus Stonehill): 59 3PM at 40.4%
 
UCTitleTown said:
I'm also wondering why we don't see Solo's 40 inch plus vertical in games. I was expecting him to posterize fools this season. He needs to play angry.
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He seems to be using the 40 horizontal instead. I share you frustration, he attacks the rim small.
 
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