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WestCoastHusky said:
No crap. It would suck if we lose him and he ended up in UL due to grades.
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We have a hard enough time getting players and here we have one who seemingly wants to come here, has already graduated from an ACC school, and we are making it difficult for him to get into grad school? makes no sense. someone step up and GET'R DONE!
 
I hope we can get this done. Theres a number of programs that have been successful insisting on stringent academic requirements, but at this level they are in the minority and have years of history behind them. I don't think we're near that point yet and wisbing doesn't. make it so.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
No crap. It would suck if we lose him and he ended up in UL due to grades.
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While I would like to see McNeal as a Huskie we can't lower the academic standards or bend the rules just because of football.
 
I know others don't have Insider Access on ESPN so I thought I'd share this. This is from the Rumor page. Not sure it's anything new from what we've learned.

"Bryce McNeal, a Clemson transfer, was supposed to be preparing for life at Connecticut. McNeal committed to UConn in February after leaving the Tigers' program. But, it appears he still uncertain where he'll attend this season.
"Bryce McNeal, a former Clemson wide receiver was on campus at Louisville over the weekend," Nick Coffey of the Cardinal Connect wrote. "The former four-star recruit verbally committed to Connecticut in January soon after he announced he would transfer from Clemson.

"McNeal has graduated and will be eligible right away...McNeal is reportedly keeping his options open due to the fact that he has yet to be accepted into grad school at UConn."

McNeal never lived up to expectations at Clemson, but he has an opportunity at both Connecticut or Louisville to become one of either team's top targets. Both squads lost the bulk of their top receivers after last season due to graduation, and McNeal will add talent to each wide receiver corps."
 
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rich1122 said:
While I would like to see McNeal as a Huskie we can't lower the academic standards or bend the rules just because of football.
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I assume/hope that was facetious? It's a nice thought to think college football and basketball players will all be more than capable of not lowering their schools academic standards, but that ship sailed long ago.
 
rich1122 said:
While I would like to see McNeal as a Huskie we can't lower the academic standards or bend the rules just because of football.
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Might as well call the CAA commish to see if there's an opening as well.
 
rich1122 said:
While I would like to see McNeal as a Huskie we can't lower the academic standards or bend the rules just because of football.
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If Burton's grandkid had a 2.3 in high school he's still get in to UConn.
 
businesslawyer said:
I assume/hope that was facetious? It's a nice thought to think college football and basketball players will all be more than capable of not lowering their schools academic standards, but that ship sailed long ago.
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I agree that if we take some high school kid then you are correct. But, I do not agree that it would happen for a grad program, especially if other applicants with better grades are being left out.

This one is trickier than a straight undergrad deal.
 
rich1122 said:
While I would like to see McNeal as a Huskie we can't lower the academic standards or bend the rules just because of football.
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The kid graduated from Clemson in 3 years while playing Division 1 Football? How bad do you really think his grades can be that you have to assume UConn must lower their academic standards? This should have been done already...
 
I guess that I used the wrong choice of words here and I did not mean to imply that he bad grades for sure. It was a reply to two other posts which said hey just get this done and that we should just let somebody in because he plays football.

My true feeling, as posted before, is that being accepted to graduate school is often more complicated than just passing the SAT's and sending in an application with the money. It is very difficult to get accepted into some grad programs EVEN WITH GOOD or GREAT GRADES - it's very competitive.

So we have to drop the "just get it done" attitude I think.
 
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rich1122 said:
I guess that I used the wrong choice of words here and I did not mean to imply that he bad grades for sure. It was a reply to two other posts which said hey just get this done and that we should just let somebody in because he plays football.

My true feeling, as posted before, is that being accepted to graduate school is often more complicated than just passing the SAT's and sending in an application with the money. It is very difficult to get accepted into some grad programs EVEN WITH GOOD or GREAT GRADES - it's very competitive.

So we have to drop the "just get it done" attitude I think.
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We aren't the Ivy League. If you want this school to be successful in athletics this is something you need to accommodate. It might effect a handful of kids a year. Just make the room.
 
uconnfan68 said:
We aren't the Ivy League. If you want this school to be successful in athletics this is something you need to accommodate. It might effect a handful of kids a year. Just make the room.
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I have no knowledge of McNeal's academic credentials or the admission standards for the grad school to which he is applying. But I would not be happy if I were running one of the graduate schools at UConn and was told I had to accept a student (who happened also to be a football player) who did not meet the standards of other applicants. I can understand UConn's desire to protect the academic integrity of its grad schools.
 
I find it funny that in a week where we see an institution get knocked down because it put football success before doing the right thing, that people want to see football be put ahead of doing things the right way...

Im not saying that letting someone into a Grad program with preferential treatment will get us to where PSU was, but that culture had to start somewhere
 
Santini35 said:
I find it funny that in a week where we see an institution get knocked down because it put football success before doing the right thing, that people want to see football be put ahead of doing things the right way...

Im not saying that letting someone into a Grad program with preferential treatment will get us to where PSU was, but that culture had to start somewhere
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That is a very long leap. The two are NOT comparable.
 
uconnfan68 said:
We aren't the Ivy League. If you want this school to be successful in athletics this is something you need to accommodate. It might effect a handful of kids a year. Just make the room.
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Wrong
 
Grad departments would accept a dog into the program if it got them an extra $1 million in research funding. A great wide receiver might be worth $1m in income to the university. So, if decision-making is solely in the hands of the department and they don't take into account benefits to other parts of the university, the dog would get in ahead of the wide receiver, even though the wide receiver was more valuable to the university and the grad program.
 
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Having been in grad school, I think it's fair to say grad programs are looking for students who can carry out work (research, publishing) with professors both independently and as part of collaborative teams, competently teach undergrads, compete for fellowships, and have shown a desire to specialize in one field. So it might not be simply a grades issue that's keeping McNeil from being accepted immediately to whichever grad program he applied to.
 
Santini35 said:
I find it funny that in a week where we see an institution get knocked down because it put football success before doing the right thing, that people want to see football be put ahead of doing things the right way...

Im not saying that letting someone into a Grad program with preferential treatment will get us to where PSU was, but that culture had to start somewhere
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Admissions are somewhat arbitrary in nature. What is the downside to admitting someone to the school who might not have otherwise gotten in? To me the biggest downside is he flunks out. That would hardly be a stain on the grad school. I'm sure there are plenty of students who have nothing to do with athletics who flunk out or just drop out of UCONN's grad schools every year.

Please, comparing this to Penn State is just....
 
junglehusky said:
Having been in grad school, I think it's fair to say grad programs are looking for students who can carry out work (research, publishing) with professors both independently and as part of collaborative teams, competently teach undergrads, compete for fellowships, and have shown a desire to specialize in one field. So it might not be simply a grades issue that's keeping McNeil from being accepted immediately to whichever grad program he applied to.
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I hope to God that the admissions area isn't reading his twitter account.......
 
Just a general question for anyone who can answer this. Lets say the Law school normally accepts 50 students to its school per year. Could they in any given year accept 51?
 
Palatine said:
That is a very long leap. The two are NOT comparable.
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Not in severity, but the underlying idea of, screw the correct way to act when it comes to how we run academics we just wanna win football games, is at its heart similar
 
Santini35 said:
Not in severity, but the underlying idea of, screw the correct way to act when it comes to how we run academics we just wanna win football games, is at its heart similar
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What does the Sandusky case have to do with academics? That had to do with the correct way to act when there is a major crime on campus.

I don't think anyone is saying UCONN should accept someone into the grad program even if that person is grossly underqualified, but if this is a case of yes he meets the qualifications but we had our heart set on accepting this other kid who we feel is more qualified, then in that case an exception should be made to support athletics. I doubt P would be going to bat for the kid if there were a major academics problem.
 
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When people are making statements like this

"We aren't the Ivy League. If you want this school to be successful in athletics this is something you need to accommodate. It might effect a handful of kids a year. Just make the room."

Where does it stop?

Is fake classes okay too? It'll make us more successful in athletics if our athletes stay "eligible"


Thread after thread people have decried the insular JoePa is a God mentality that exists at PSU, but where do you think this sort of thing started? Win at all cost mentality starts with something small like this. If you dont keep it in check, somewhere down the line that mentality can eventually lead to some very bad things
 
Santini, I admire your desire for integrity, but don't think scholarship dominates other considerations. Academics are, as a rule, obsessed with money and status, and will sacrifice scholarly and research integrity for either. I expect "What's in it for us" has a lot more to do with a grad department refusing him admission than "Only scholarship should matter."
 
Let us all remember that UCONN's rise in stature over the last 20 years is largely due to the success of its athletics department.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Let us all remember that UCONN's rise in stature over the last 20 years is largely due to the success of its athletics department.
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I would say UConn's rise in stature is largely coincident with the success of its athletics department. The two are related for sure, but one is not causative of the other. The main factor for both has been funding from the state along with donors.
 
Admission processes at reputable programs are not very arbitrary. The graduate admission process is certainly more difficult than the undergrad process. Top rank graduate programs earn those rankings in large part because of the high academic levels of their students.

I hope Bryce ends up here, but not because we lowered standards and cut corners. That is the path to ruin for institutions of higher learning.
 
We are now considered a "public Ivy". Same turf as UNC, UVA, California, UMichigan, etc. Not as well-endowed as them. That's still a rep the school would want to protect. I could imagine Herbst plans on advancing the school through our now prestigious academic standing. Who'd ever have imagined this? UConn was still a tough school before we ever won a national title in basketball. Plenty of people I knew ended up getting booted.
 
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