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Caronimo said:
Anyone have an idea when Brimah comes back? I try not to focus on this but we need him in the lineup.
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No we don't need him in the lineup... Facey, Miller, and Nolan are enough and DHAM's play is outstanding :rolleyes:
 
Palatine said:
I think what you forgot was that he scores 8 points a game and does it with incredible efficiency shooting 70% from the field. But according to you that is stupid to mention? It's stupid to use facts on the BY? Wow, what an incredible statement.

What you also forgot is that after Brimah left the line up Hamilton went into a funk. That pretty much covers our inside game. Based on that I would also posture that with no inside threat, our outside game became easier to defend.

This isn't some wild irrational theory, you just don't like Brimah so you consider his contributions insignificant. That's fine, you can have that opinion, but it isn't supportable with numbers.
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You know what's really stupid Palantine - using these games. Not ONE of the losses we had screamed "we miss AB" that's my point. Those games are winnable without him and it's not even deniable. If we had AB, if DHam made shots, if my aunt had balls - geez score some points and you'd have nothing to whine about at all.

When Diamond Stone owned his butt and Trimble went to he basket at ease I didn't hear you say "where's AB he's not a factor"? These losses are not an AB thing that's ALL. Move on.
 
intlzncster said:
Any of the stats guys around here have the splits for Hamilton w/without Brimah? @tcf15 @champs99and04 @Gurleyman
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Geez it's pretty simple he's 14 for his last 61 he can't make a shot. You can believe it's because of Brimah or it's a slump. He's missing 10 foot bankers and short on 8 footers and they are good looks. He plays 35 minutes or more the other guys plays 20 so he would still miss shots the other 15 minutes probably :rolleyes:
 
mauconnfan said:
You know what's really stupid Palantine - using these games. Not ONE of the losses we had screamed "we miss AB" that's my point. Those games are winnable without him and it's not even deniable. If we had AB, if DHam made shots, if my aunt had balls - geez score some points and you'd have nothing to whine about at all. When Diamond Stone owned his butt and Trimble went to he basket at ease I didn't hear you say "where's AB he's not a factor"? These losses are not an AB thing that's ALL. Move on.
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Diamond Stone did not own Brimah. He made one basket on him early in the second half, and Brimah responded by blocking him twice in a row. You're showing bias.
 
This is a dumb argument. Would you rather have AB or Phil or Kelis Fisher on the floor? Or a combo of 2 of them. Who are you taking? AB is my first choice.
 
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Phil Nolan all day! His photobombs and shenanigans are top notch!
 
Mau, we are a much better team with Brimah. You relentlessly arguing the fact that we're not doesn't change that reality.
 
We don't know if he would have made a difference against Temple since our D was generally pretty good. The one area I thought his absence reared its head that day was that an otherwise lifeless crowd was really trying to get into it in the second half. And it felt like every time the noise level rose on D after we made a big bucket, we gave Temple an easy layup. Must have happened four times. Taking those shots away with a block or alteration and getting a stop might have helped us sustain momentum a little longer. But there's no way to know.
 
Gurleyman said:
We don't know if he would have made a difference against Temple since our D was generally pretty good. The one area I thought his absence reared its head that day was that an otherwise lifeless crowd was really trying to get into it in the second half. And it felt like every time the noise level rose on D after we made a big bucket, we gave Temple an easy layup. Must have happened four times. Taking those shots away with a block or alteration and getting a stop might have helped us sustain momentum a little longer. But there's no way to know.
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I think this is an underrated aspect of the debate. The team and the fans feed off Brimah. The two plays that energize the team the most are the lobs and the blocks. The Temple game is a good example - not only was the crowd lifeless, but the team kind of was, as well. I'm not somebody who is going to sit around questioning the effort level of the players very often, but you see D-Ham take a rain check on diving on the floor to secure a meaningful possession and you wonder how motivated they actually are to win the game.

Even as a die-hard fan who is going to watch and look forward to the games whether we've won five in a row or lost five in a row, I tend to enjoy the games a lot more when Brimah is out there. He's just an enjoyable human being who happens to have some rare gifts on the basketball court.
 
Surprised we haven't heard anything recently on Brimah's timetable. He barely had any support on the finger yesterday. No splint, just a small tape job. What was the original projected return date?
 
OkaForPrez said:
Surprised we haven't heard anything recently on Brimah's timetable. He barely had any support on the finger yesterday. No splint, just a small tape job. What was the original projected return date?
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I think they said about 4-6 weeks originally, with the 6 week timeframe taking him to mid-February. We play SMU at XL on February 18.
 
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Optimistically February 4th @ Memphis would be a nice time to return.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Surprised we haven't heard anything recently on Brimah's timetable. He barely had any support on the finger yesterday. No splint, just a small tape job. What was the original projected return date?
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He's probably good to go right now if he wasn't an athlete. But given that his hands will take a pounding, especially cause he swats a lot of balls, they probably need to give it extra time to sure up.
 
Gurleyman said:
Diamond Stone did not own Brimah. He made one basket on him early in the second half, and Brimah responded by blocking him twice in a row. You're showing bias.
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Explain to me the numbers then because I missed something? Again the numbers are overrated at times anyway because there's no saying when he was in guarding who and at 20 minutes a game you ALL are overrating his ability to change the game anyway. This is not Thabeet playing 30-32 minutes a game and making guys leave the lane and being scared to shoot the ball.
 
superjohn said:
Mau, we are a much better team with Brimah. You relentlessly arguing the fact that we're not doesn't change that reality.
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"much" better? No but better yes. Just in case you missed I have said that too.
 
mauconnfan said:
Explain to me the numbers then because I missed something? Again the numbers are overrated at times anyway because there's no saying when he was in guarding who and at 20 minutes a game you ALL are overrating his ability to change the game anyway. This is not Thabeet playing 30-32 minutes a game and making guys leave the lane and being scared to shoot the ball.
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Stone got his 16 points but it took him 16 shots to do so, which isn't much of an indictment on Brimah considering how badly Trimble was abusing us on ball screens. The six offensive rebounds Stone grabbed were in large part collateral damage from the penetration we allowed basically all game.

Boneyarder's want to make it seem like Stone was tossing Brimah around out there, but I don't think that was the case. Stone is just a really talented player with a big body and soft hands who took advantage of some shoddy team defense.
 
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Give him a JPP club hand. I bet he blocks more shots.
 
David 76 said:
We are better with Brimah but it definitely would not affect a 2 point loss.
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You people can't read - let me try again for those who can't. We did not need Brimah to win these games and anyone that thinks we did is whacked. They were winnable games, we didn't score points pretty simple.

I'm done. I mean you people would like to believe we are missing a freakin 15/12/7 guy not a 7/5/5 guy who plays 20 minutes because he doesn't do enough well to get 30-35 minutes. Hmmmm that's not me that's the coaches. If he was as much of an impact as you guys believe he wouldn't play 20 minutes but hey, we were undefeated when he got hurt right? :rolleyes:
 
Come on Mau.Just giving you some grief because you you get so intense on this.

mauconnfan said:
. I mean look at the points and tell me the huge difference he would have made without us scoring points?
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mauconnfan said:
You people can't read - let me try again for those who can't. We did not need Brimah to win these games and anyone that thinks we did is whacked. They were winnable games, we didn't score points pretty simple.

I'm done. I mean you people would like to believe we are missing a freakin 15/12/7 guy not a 7/5/5 guy who plays 20 minutes because he doesn't do enough well to get 30-35 minutes. Hmmmm that's not me that's the coaches. If he was as much of an impact as you guys believe he wouldn't play 20 minutes but hey, we were undefeated when he got hurt right? :rolleyes:
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Well, sure, we didn't NEED Brimah to win those games, but it would've helped for sure. We didn't need AJ Price to beat San Diego, but it would've helped.
 
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Rico444 said:
Well, sure, we didn't NEED Brimah to win those games, but it would've helped for sure. We didn't need AJ Price to beat San Diego, but it would've helped.
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No we needed AJ Price to win that game, at least I think so. No comparison anyway as the games we lost this year we knew we didn't have AB, gave up 55 and 60 respectively and lost. AJ Price went down during the game and took the wind out of the players sails and they had little time to prepare for that huge loss of their leader.

When he gets back it's big as we have less worry about the 2 foul situation which now is hindering Miller and Facey especially. Depth is huge.
 
mauconnfan said:
You know what's really screwed up is if someone read everything and somehow came up with people thinking it would help? Not sure where. It will help in the long run getting Facey time and now Phil back into the groove, not in a w's and L's way but it does eventually help.

But you aren't being honest with yourself if you think the 2 losses were because he wasn't out there. I mean look at the points and tell me the huge difference he would have made without us scoring points?
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Geez Louise give a rest. The defense relied heavily on having a shot blocker and especially in the Temple game hasn't played well enough without the shot blocker to win. We would have beat Temple with Brimah even if he scored no points but took his average in rebounds and blocked shots.
 
Edward Sargent said:
Geez Louise give a rest. The defense relied heavily on having a shot blocker and especially in the Temple game hasn't played well enough without the shot blocker to win. We would have beat Temple with Brimah even if he scored no points but took his average in rebounds and blocked shots.
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yeah ok Ed gotcha - you need to give that a rest. Temple scored 55 so he would've singlehandedly held them to 45 I'm sure. My bad what was i thinking?
 
mauconnfan said:
No we needed AJ Price to win that game, at least I think so. No comparison anyway as the games we lost this year we knew we didn't have AB, gave up 55 and 60 respectively and lost. AJ Price went down during the game and took the wind out of the players sails and they had little time to prepare for that huge loss of their leader.

When he gets back it's big as we have less worry about the 2 foul situation which now is hindering Miller and Facey especially. Depth is huge.
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Obviously we could've won without AJ, San Diego hit a shot with under 10 seconds left to take the lead, and it was a tough fadeaway to boot. If that shot doesn't drop, we win. And I don't get how you're saying depth is huge, but Brimah wouldn't have helped? The Tulsa game got out of hand when Miller picked up his 4th foul and we had to bring in Nolan. He got abused a few plays in a row and that was that. Brimah has his flaws, sure, but we're a better team with him out on the floor, and if we didn't get hurt we may have another win or two.
 
Rico444 said:
Obviously we could've won without AJ, San Diego hit a shot with under 10 seconds left to take the lead, and it was a tough fadeaway to boot. If that shot doesn't drop, we win. And I don't get how you're saying depth is huge, but Brimah wouldn't have helped? The Tulsa game got out of hand when Miller picked up his 4th foul and we had to bring in Nolan. He got abused a few plays in a row and that was that. Brimah has his flaws, sure, but we're a better team with him out on the floor, and if we didn't get hurt we may have another win or two.
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Sure we could have won with him in the game at Temple. Hell we could have lost vs Memphis with him though too right? I mean facey did match his stats with 7/5/5 after all. Maybe vs Houston we lose too with him as Phil doesn't get to do all the good things on D he did? Lost at Houston last year with him?

Point is we don't have him and the 2 losses should have been wins without him. Coaching was bad in both too, who's to say that would have been better if he played? So many "ifs" from you guys who cares, we should be 14-3 without him and we're not. Move on and hope he makes the colossal difference you guys know he will upon his return!

Geezus
 
mauconnfan said:
Sure we could have won with him in the game at Temple. Hell we could have lost vs Memphis with him though too right? I mean facey did match his stats with 7/5/5 after all. Maybe vs Houston we lose too with him as Phil doesn't get to do all the good things on D he did? Lost at Houston last year with him?

Point is we don't have him and the 2 losses should have been wins without him. Coaching was bad in both too, who's to say that would have been better if he played? So many "ifs" from you guys who cares, we should be 14-3 without him and we're not. Move on and hope he makes the colossal difference you guys know he will upon his return!

Geezus
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Nobody's saying we'd be undefeated with Brimah, but you yourself have said we're a better team with him back, right? Why is it hard to believe we may have an extra win or two with him healthy when we've had multiple losses by one possession? Playing without a true center is tough, you keep bringing up how many points we gave up in the losses, but not having Brimah affects the offense too.
 
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