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He was not/is not one of our NBA prospects. He is a total surprise. After his freshman year, some of us began to project to much into his development. That is what makes the attacks hard to understand. It would be like people getting all over Lubin.
I don't follow recruiting too closely, so perhaps I'm misjudging what people thought he was. It's hard to think anyone with his size and quickness isn't a pro prospect, but then, I'm not very knowledgeable about the NBA.
 
I don't follow recruiting too closely, so perhaps I'm misjudging what people thought he was. It's hard to think anyone with his size and quickness isn't a pro prospect, but then, I'm not very knowledgeable about the NBA.
He's not. Let's please end this discussion.
 
Embiid's production was quite literally the same...
No, it really wasn't.

Embiid had a much higher FG%, FT%, rebound rate, assist rate and free throw rate. And he was the centerpiece of a team that, when he was available, was arguably the best in the nation. Drummond was the centerpiece of a team that played worse when he was out there.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-embiid-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andre-drummond-1.html

Stats aren't everything, but using PPG & RPG as the measure is not a great way to make the argument.
 
Embiid's production was quite literally the same, and had a major back injury going into draft. We have had this debate a few times on the Yard so I'm not gonna get it going again, let's just be glad Drummond is literally making the NBA's bigs, and more importantly the GMs who passed on him for bs reason, his figurative and literal "bit**".

I don't really see how the production is the same. Even if you ignore Embiid's per 40 stats, which were superior, he was a significantly better passer, a much better defender, and a far more polished scorer. He shot 63% from the floor and 69% from the line, compared to Drummond's 54% from the field and 30% from the line. Embiid also had a PER over 28 while Drummond was at about 22.

Edit: I guess I should have read @Matrim55 's post first.
 
I don't see what expectations have to do with it, both were highly recruited players at big programs. You either perform or you don't.

To actually have AB and Embiid in the same sentence is beyond laughable. Seriously did you watch these 2 guys play?
 
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No, it really wasn't.

Embiid had a much higher FG%, FT%, rebound rate, assist rate and free throw rate. And he was the centerpiece of a team that, when he was available, was arguably the best in the nation. Drummond was the centerpiece of a team that played worse when he was out there.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-embiid-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andre-drummond-1.html

Stats aren't everything, but using PPG & RPG as the measure is not a great way to make the argument.
Fair point sir. But I still feel their was a significantly different "air" around each player's draft profile. Drummond was a rare physical specimen and Embiid was injured throughout draft workouts, with a back injury which is career ending for bigs. Yet he was still skyrocketing above guys like Wiggins and Parker predraft talks while Drummond was plummeting.
 
Fair point sir. But I still feel their was a significantly different "air" around each player's draft profile. Drummond was a rare physical specimen and Embiid was injured throughout draft workouts, with a back injury which is career ending for bigs. Yet he was still skyrocketing above guys like Wiggins and Parker predraft talks while Drummond was plummeting.
Honestly, I think that was justified. Embiid was amazing in college - just as good as Towns was last year, at least. Drummond, meanwhile, was disappointing.

I'll grant you that folks should have realized, in the aftermath of that Mavericks NBA title, just how important and devastating a true rim-runner (Tyson Chandler) could be. Some teams lacked foresight and paid the price, to Detroit's benefit.
 
I think AB is physically limited by his lack of instinct. It is definitely not lack of effort.

I agree -- it's not a matter of effort, it's a matter of basketball IQ/instinct. Neither of those are physical, though.

I would argue that a player's failures are frustrating/angering to teammates and fans in the following order:

1. Lack of effort [Emotional]
2. Lack of instincts/IQ [Mental]
3. Lack of size/strength/speed [Physical]

Brimah provides #1, but then again sure do most players at the college level. His failures in #2 give a lift to the opponent, deflate us, and cause harm on the scoreboard.
 
At 51-37, Brimah cuts off baseline and draws a charge.
At the other end, Purvis comes off an AB screen and both defenders overcommit to Brimah's roll (sensing a lob). Purvis gets a basically uncontested 15 footer (a flat-footed big put his hands up five feet away, but had no bearing on shot). 53-37.
Then OSU misses a 3, AB lays his body on his guy crashing the boards hard, neutralizing him, and Purvis gets the rebound
Back on the offensive end, Brimah sets a high screen for Gibbs and rolls hard to the basket - Omar is in the opposite corner and his man sinks all the way into the restricted area right under the basket to take away the lob. Gibbs reads it nicely and throws a cross court pass to Omar, who hits the open three. 56-37
Back at the other end, OSU looks like they will get a good look at a 3 in the corner, but AB flies out to contest. Announcers said he got a hand on the three, but ball hit rim and he doesn't get credit for a block, so announcers might have been seeing things. But he forced a rushed shot.
OSU keeps the ball on a rebound after a held ball - after deterring a couple dribble drives, AB ends the possession with a block, UConn ball.
After a media TO, Adams gets an and one with AB sitting. 59-37.
Miller fouls, Brimah comes back in
At 59-41, AB hands off to Gibbs on the perimeter and rolls. Gibbs beats his man and AB's man stays at home, keeping a body on him the whole way to deny the lob. Gibbs gets a red carpet to the rim for a layup line level shot. 61-41
On defense, AB gets a defensive rebound, draws foul, makes 1 of 2.
Next possession, AB gets a friendly roll for 2
At other end , he boxes out effectively on weak side and taps the rebound to Miller. Miller gets credit for it.
Back on offense, AB comes up to set another high screen, Purvis rejects the screen and goes opposite, AB's man stays on him, instead of sagging, Purvis uses that open lane to whip a pass to Miller for a dunk (a pass AB doesn't catch).

Next possession, AB fumbles a pass from Omar out on bounds. Boneyard screams that he's useless out there and we need Facey since we are playing 4 on 5. Stats show in that 6-minute stretch when we put it away, AB had 3 points, 1 rebound, 1 block.

This is why I love the Yard. Thanks Gurley!
 
I don't think Enoch is quite ready to supplant Brimah in the rotation at this point.
 
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@mauconnfan - you always have to have one player you irrationally dislike. Brimah has displaced AO. Fair enough.

Kid isn't perfect, but as many others have pointed out, the team is much better with him on the floor.
 
@mauconnfan - you always have to have one player you irrationally dislike. Brimah has displaced AO. Fair enough.

Kid isn't perfect, but as many others have pointed out, the team is much better with him on the floor.

Nope you are not correct on this one. At least in the sense of "dislike" - I didn't like AO after he became the person he was as a Jr. I admit and for good reason. AB I like, I do. His game is vastly overrated by many of you and I am disappointed in his growth basically because there's been very little. Doesn't mean I don't like the kid, love his passion and the fact he's a Husky at heart. And we are better with him on the floor, we don't have anyone else.
 
Nope you are not correct on this one. At least in the sense of "dislike" - I didn't like AO after he became the person he was as a Jr. I admit and for good reason. AB I like, I do. His game is vastly overrated by many of you and I am disappointed in his growth basically because there's been very little. Doesn't mean I don't like the kid, love his passion and the fact he's a Husky at heart. And we are better with him on the floor, we don't have anyone else.
Dislike may be the wrong word. But if you could watch the second half of the Maryland game and somehow think we were better off with him on the bench...I just don't know what to say. Opposing teams have to game plan their offenses for him. They don't do that for anyone else on our team.
 
AB is who he is and appears to have peaked as a player. I see no reason to believe he`ll be any more than a shot blocker who doesnt score much and isnt much of a rebounder. I think we can let go of the fantasy of him turning into Hasheem or Ok4.
Appeared to peak according to who? Based on what, his ever improving numbers?

Here's a guy no one heard of in high school. Ollie gets him late. We all expected Facey to come in and be the center. Wrong.

As a freshman he comes in, shows a non-stop motor and little else. He best tribute is his size. He is constantly out of position and has no offensive game.

As a sophomore he is elected a captain. Wins AAC DPOY, turns into an elite shot blocker and develops a chemistry with Hamilton that turn him into a dependable scorer with off the chart FG %. He continues to commit bad fouls.

As a junior, he continues to get improves his rebounding numbers even with ten minutes less a game. He is less foul prone. I don't think he is near peaking. He has hinted at a nice offensive game but it is inconsistent.

Killing a guy because he isn't a first round NBA draft choice means killing 99% of all college players. I expect he will continue to improve as he gets stronger, an more strengthen will improve his rebounding and hands.
 
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Appeared to peak according to who? Based on what, his ever improving numbers?

Here's a guy no one heard of in high school. Ollie gets him late. We all expected Facey to come in and be the center. Wrong.

As a freshman he comes in, shows a non-stop motor and little else. He best tribute is his size. He is constantly out of position and has no offensive game.

As a sophomore he is elected a captain. Wins AAC DPOY, turns into an elite shot blocker and develops a chemistry with Hamilton that turn him into a dependable scorer with off the chart FG %. He continues to commit bad fouls.
As a junior, he continues to get improves his rebounding numbers even with ten minutes less a game. He is less foul prone. I don't think he is near peaking. He has hinted at a nice offensive game but it is inconsistent.

Killing a guy because he isn't a first round NBA draft choice means killing 99% of all college players. I expect he will continue to improve as he gets stronger, an more strengthen will improve his rebounding and hands.

Nobody is "killing" anyone. Thats what you wanted to take from what i said. Is he on the level of Thabeet or Ok4? Does it appear that he is on his way to being on that level? IMO no! Is he terrible? Of course not. Hes a solid college center whos a good shot blocker and a great teammate. He just has not progressed in his game as much as he shouldve by now which i think isnt bad to say its just a fact.
 
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