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selles said:
Who's lost? Bizlaw is saying that Nolan is not a shot blocker and therefore does not have that excuse for failing to rebound better than he does. Do you disagree with that? Philly played better than he had in the conference tournament, but it was still obvious that even Rock - all 6'5" of him - is a better rim protector.

I'm starting to think you're the one who has over-inflated expectations for Brimah. You're so focused on his flaws that you miss the very obvious things he brings to the table.
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What's overinflated selles? The fact I expect our 7 footer to get more than 1 rebound in 31 minutes of play?

The only overinflated views here are the ones who think he is actually really good right now because he's not. I know Nolan is not a shot blocker nor is the Rock, but give me either of them on the post actually guarding someone any day. I get the "blocked shots" routine, you guys think that's all there is to the damn game, well it's not. My only point is he needs to get a LOT better for us to be significant at all next year or we need some serious help in a magical way with a new player from somewhere. It really is that simple. I hope the kid bets better, but anyone thinking 2 pts, 2 rebounds and 7 blocks against SMU is solid is way the hell of base.
 
mauconnfan said:
What's overinflated selles? The fact I expect our 7 footer to get more than 1 rebound in 31 minutes of play?
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The fact that you ignore everything he brings to the table because you're fixated on his rebounding. That to me suggests you're the one with overinflated expectations.

He's got a long way to go, I think everyone acknowledges that. But if you watched Sunday's game and your takeaway was 'give me Nolan or Rock because they play better positional defense', then respectfully I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
 
selles said:
The fact that you ignore everything he brings to the table because you're fixated on his rebounding. That to me suggests you're the one with overinflated expectations.

He's got a long way to go, I think everyone acknowledges that. But if you watched Sunday's game and your takeaway was 'give me Nolan or Rock because they play better positional defense', then respectfully I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
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Not sure who's ignoring what here selles. Im am not ignoring anything, he blocks shots I admitted that. What else? I never said give me Nolan or Rock in place I said they play better "man" defense and if you don't see that then your understanding of the game isn't quite there yet. He's awful on his man, flat footed and never ready to help unless its a "block". There is simply nothing else there as of yet or shall I say very little. Anything you guys are seeing other than blocked shots and an occasional alley oops is simply what you want to see not what is actually happening. If you think 7 blocks impacted that game enough then I really don;t know what to say. The missed rebounds in front and all a round him negate those easily.

I want the kid to get better but laugh at the National Flag Blue smoke you guys are blowing up his a**, I', a realist!
 
mauconnfan said:
His inability compared to who Brimah? You're kidding me right? Laughable..Nolan works harder than AB, plays better "overall" D by far and really is a better rebounder although neither is good at all. People are lost!
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I am far from a Phil hater, and have stood up for him all year. But comparing his rebounding to Brimah's is comparing apples to oranges. Brimah is off his feet trying to at least alter every shot within 10 feet. You may not like that that's his job, but it's his job. And the more vertical leap someone has, the longer it takes their feet to get back to the ground before they can think of rebounding (notwithstanding that this is high school physics I'm sure I'll get push back on this as well). Nolan's job is to stay home and try to get defensive rebounds even though he will often be "out bigged" 2 to 1 underneath. He needs to be able to grab a few more of them than he does.
 
Dogbreath2U said:
I am watching the 2006 season when I use my treadmill and have seen many of the games from that year. Hilton was so much better than AB as a sophomore that the comparison is a huge insult to Hilton. Hilton was amazingly good that year, particularly during the second half. He was blocking shots, making jumpshots, passing the ball, rebounding.....all around strong play. I've just gotten to the last Louisville game of the year and Hilton and Boone somehow smashed into each other in practice and Hilton is not right in this game. I'm wondering if this injury continued to affect him, but time will tell (when I get to the NCAAs). Hilton was better than Boone that year by a good amount and won BE Defensive Player of the Year. Bottom line, go watch some of those games and tell me that AB is close to Hilton as a senior. Hilton shared the rebounds with Boone, Gay, Adrien, and Nelson.
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Hilton development can also be attributed to having NBA practice players surrounding him. The only player AB has really is Nolan. Not sure how quickly AB can improve under these circumstances. I would bet that in practice AB is a rebounding machine, and looks like Abdul-Jabbar offensively.

Coaching is one thing but 'real'' reps are another. This could be a problem, especially in him honing current and new skills.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Yes as to the fouls but you're dead wrong on Purvis. He had inside position on a much bigger player and got a body on him. Ball just came off the rim too long to the weak side. Stuff happens.
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I did see the SMU player jump over Purvis to get the ball...If he had a real body on him, he wouldn't have been able to do that...Purvis was standing upright..
 
@BigErnMcCracken of course the eye test goes to Hilton. That was the point of the question. If the numbers are on par, and they are, for one of the more celebrated seasons of Uconn Centers what does that say about Amida's learning curve with all his Sophmore warts. I'm trying to make the point of everything the glass half empty crowd is not acknowledging while laser focused on Amida's flaws. He had a heck of a year in spite of them. Ho hum all his points were lob dunks, give me 10 points a game at 70% all day long. Ho hum he was top 5 in block %, do you know how many second chance points that lead to? Yes and not nearly as many points as it took away for our opponents and gave us in transition. Ho hum he changed games when he was on the floor significantly, but he fouled so much! Yes but he was making strides to quell that, imho, and when he finally starts making the right read he's going to be a monster.
 
Brimah can be and frequently is one of the best defenders in the country. When he's on and protecting the rim, our entire defense takes it up another level. It lets the guards play more aggressively, it throws the opponent's offense into disarray, it's a beautiful thing to watch. With that said, it doesn't happen as often as it should because of foul trouble, and his tendency to go for the block rather than rebound costs us a lot.

Even worse, he's got two go to moves on offense - dunk beautifully thrown passes from DHam, and get the ball in the post, take two dribbles, and throw up a brick with his right hand. That's it. He can't or won't pass out of the post, he's got decent touch on his jumper but that almost never comes out, and he just gets destroyed by anyone remotely his size.

Right now, he's an incredibly one dimensional player. That one dimension is huge, and can anchor our entire defense. But until he figures out some kind of reliable post moves, or even learns to pass decently on offense, we're playing 4 1/2 v 5 on offense (3 1/2 v 5 with Samuel out there, but that's another story). People keep blaming his lack of development on injuries, which makes some sense, but if he comes out of the gates as equally offensively inept next year we're in trouble.
 
mauconnfan said:
His inability compared to who Brimah? You're kidding me right? Laughable..Nolan works harder than AB, plays better "overall" D by far and really is a better rebounder although neither is good at all. People are lost!
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Nolan averaged 8 rebounds/100 possessions this year to Brimah's 11.1. Neither is a good rebounder, but Nolan is definitely worse. Nolan was also a much less-effective defensive player (D-rating of 101.4 to Brimah's 95.1).
 
OkaForPrez said:
@BigErnMcCracken of course the eye test goes to Hilton. That was the point of the question. If the numbers are on par, and they are, for one of the more celebrated seasons of Uconn Centers what does that say about Amida's learning curve with all his Sophmore warts.
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I'm not sure how much it says, and I definitely don't think it says what you think it says. Amida has literally no competition for minutes. If he's healthy and not in foul trouble he'll be on the court. He has virtually no competition for rebounds. This team is practically begging for a post scorer. I have a hard time imagining that Hilton Armstrong, on this team, wouldn't put up better numbers than he did on a team stacked with NBA prospects (playing much better teams). On a basic level, I just don't buy your position.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
I'm not sure how much it says, and I definitely don't think it says what you think it says. Amida has literally no competition for minutes. If he's healthy and not in foul trouble he'll be on the court. He has virtually no competition for rebounds. This team is practically begging for a post scorer. I have a hard time imagining that Hilton Armstrong, on this team, wouldn't put up better numbers than he did on a team stacked with NBA prospects (playing much better teams). On a basic level, I just don't buy your position.
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http://ncaa-basketball-players.pointafter.com/l/2492/Amida-Brimah

Concede the competition argument(external and internal). There's also the variable here of the Ollie offensive system which is inverted outside-in and and relies upon dribble drive and dish vs. Calhoun's offensive system which was more inside out and played high low from the elbow and on the low block. Someone in this thread earlier mentioned Brimah's offensive skillset consisted of lob dunks and bricks. Well if you look at the shot chart above that's not true. He shot 50% from that baseline right zone and took a significant enough of his shots there (about 10%). The league avg is 52% from that zone btw. He can score on the low block. We just chose to run plays that would break down the perimeter defense, get to the 2nd level and draw up the help D because it ended in a basket 70% of the time.
 
tzznandrew said:
One flaw with this--Hilton was playing with other guys who could rebound, and therefore theoretically took potential rebounds from him: Josh Boone, Jeff Adrien, Ed Nelson, Rudy Gay. Also those guys could board.

Brimah played with no one who could rebound, so his rebound rate should be higher.
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I don't know, some guy named Daniel Hamilton was 2nd in the AAC in rebounding. I think that means he can rebound a little. ;)
 
HooperScooper said:
I don't know, some guy named Daniel Hamilton was 2nd in the AAC in rebounding. I think that means he can rebound a little. ;)
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Fair enough, he can rebound more than a little. But it is the same problem we had last year: a guard or small forward should not be your leading rebounder or you are going to get beat on the boards most nights.

By the end of the year, when we were winning the title, Daniels was putting up double doubles from the 4--not from the 3.
 
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