Brad Stevens?

[mcs333]

Celts have 9 first round picks in the next 5 years. If they are lucky they could develop a VG young team with a young coach. A lot of upside here.

 

[upstater]

and so will the BE and Butler is my point.

Hahahahahahaha!!! Butler will dominate! Yes, they will dominate Providence.

 

[upstater]

My point is that how on god's green earth could he be declaring doom and gloom for Butler and the BE because they lost a 36 yo coach when at the same time, UConn lost one of the top 5 greatest coaches to ever coach BB and are in a conference where short of a couple schools basketball does not matter and the commissioner has so much as said so.

What about this irony are you missing?

If you can't tell the difference, you're hopeless.

 

[Dann]

Just a little school known as UCLA. not like they have ever won anything...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130327/vcu-shaka-smart/

Same story. Illinois is the potential giant that neve happens. UCLA still living on wooden years. Next someone is going to link me to a Maryland article. No coach who wants a great career in college bball is heading out west unless your making a career pit stop at Arizona. West bball is like north football.
The point is things went dire like they are now. The split is very real and possible. Get our cake when you can as long as its helping you towards our goal whatever it is.

I'm afraid to ask.

But, what does the BE split have to do with VCU?

VCU just recently moved to a better conference.

They made the run to the Final 4 out of the Colonial.

So what's changed that makes VCU worse?

Is it the fact that they moved to a better conference?

Vcu is a big public so they will not get a big east invite based on identity alone. A10 is there ceiling. The a10 sucks. When Stl and Dayton make the big east at 12 vcu will look even better right?

The big east ones not play football. Some schools in the conf play fcs fball. They will all drop it in a heart beat if the p5 split. Playing others and bball only allows the big east to pay a stipend and join the p5. Basically being the best of the rest bball wise they bring major value to a p5 postseason march madness and take away almost all cash cows the NCAA could have left.

Vcu has no shot at this. Butler is safely in the big east. I'm not saying a split will happen, but the big east schools are set either way. The stability is so much more now then it was weeks ago. Things change quick.




Ehh I just wanted to argue about one thing 2night. Glad I got to bust a nut really. Goodnight.

 

[zls44]

I'm amused by anyone who thinks Stevens will fall on his face because he's a college guy, as if 99% of all NBA coaches don't have college experience.

 

[msgordon]

im amused that you think 99% of all NBA coaches have college experience when spoelstra, vogel, mark jackson, woodson, mike brown, kidd, vaughn, stotts, budenholzer, karl, shaw, drew, cheeks, brooks, adelman, monty williams, carlisle, joerger, d'antoni, hornacek, wittman and casey have none. unless you meant they attended college

 

[Danzz]

The next Celtics coach is going to have to lead the team through a few years or more of mediocrity. Stevens was as good a choice as any.

 

[zls44]

im amused that you think 99% of all NBA coaches have college experience when spoelstra, vogel, mark jackson, woodson, mike brown, kidd, vaughn, stotts, budenholzer, karl, shaw, drew, cheeks, brooks, adelman, monty williams, carlisle, joerger, d'antoni, hornacek, wittman and casey have none. unless you meant they attended college

Attended college. Interacted with college basketball, even as a player. I refuse to believe a guy like Jason Kidd or Mark Jackson took NO lessons from his college experience that is applied to the NBA.

I was also talking all-time. I don't care that most of the coaches now didnt coach in college. All-time, most of them have. Pitino didn't work in Boston because he's a freaking psychopath- not because he was at Kentucky. He did a good job with the Knicks.

Stevens is a big analytics guy. The NBA is on the cutting edge with stuff like SportVision, Synergy, etc. The pro game is evolved into finding rotations that work, not just having one guy as the be-all, end-all. It's managing personnel units, not drawing up plays.

I dare anyone who disputes the hire to name a better non-college candidate. A legitimate one, not Phil Jackson. I'd rather have Brad Stevens than re-hire a Van Gundy, Karl, etc.

 

[zls44]

im amused that you think 99% of all NBA coaches have college experience when spoelstra, vogel, mark jackson, woodson, mike brown, kidd, vaughn, stotts, budenholzer, karl, shaw, drew, cheeks, brooks, adelman, monty williams, carlisle, joerger, d'antoni, hornacek, wittman and casey have none. unless you meant they attended college

There's also a whooooole lotta bad coaches in that list.

 

[mauconnfan]

My point is that how on god's green earth could he be declaring doom and gloom for Butler and the BE because they lost a 36 yo coach when at the same time, UConn lost one of the top 5 greatest coaches to ever coach BB and are in a conference where short of a couple schools basketball does not matter and the commissioner has so much as said so.

What about this irony are you missing?

I think he's going along the same lines which you just drew. Calhoun was so good for so long he helped UConn become a household name. Butler was nothing until Stevens brought them to the forefront most recently so there may be a problem for them to keep the momentum. UConn did a great job by hiring a "family member".....who is Butler going to bring in and what big name is going to take the chance at Butler, seemingly a horizontal jump at best?

 

[FriarJ]

I think he's going along the same lines which you just drew. Calhoun was so good for so long he helped UConn become a household name. Butler was nothing until Stevens brought them to the forefront most recently so there may be a problem for them to keep the momentum. UConn did a great job by hiring a "family member".....who is Butler going to bring in and what big name is going to take the chance at Butler, seemingly a horizontal jump at best?

I have no idea how it will work out for them, I'm just not ready to make a blanket statement that they and their conference are doomed, just like I'm not willing to make that statement about UConn. It's pretty simple.

 

[Husky25]

I think he's going along the same lines which you just drew. Calhoun was so good for so long he helped UConn become a household name. Butler was nothing until Stevens brought them to the forefront most recently so there may be a problem for them to keep the momentum. UConn did a great job by hiring a "family member".....who is Butler going to bring in and what big name is going to take the chance at Butler, seemingly a horizontal jump at best?

As far as mid majors go, the Big East is at the top. Butler will either promote from within to keep continuity, or pluck someone form the Horizon, OVC, Colonial, etc. VCU is in the A10 and virtually has its dance ticket stamped in November. Butler is a lateral move for Shaka Smart and they can probably match and dollar offer.

DISCLAIMER FOR fanDan: Assuming the greatest single money making event isnt blown up by the P5, by creating a new level in football and inexplicably include a basketball only mid-major.

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[8893]

Im not sure anything has ever been more clear. We will never be in the big east again.

Maybe. I tend to be a never say "never" guy.

I wonder what people would have said a few years ago at the thought that UConn would today be in a new conference containing no original Big East members, playing its conference tournament in Memphis, getting beat by Louisville for an ACC invite and by Rutgers for the Big Ten, and having Temple as our closest geographical conference mate.

 

[Stinger92860]

Wow. Bad move for pretty much everyone involved.
And Butler returns to obscurity....

7 million good reasons for Stevens

 

[Husky25]

7 million good reasons for Stevens

Call me crazy, but I tend to think Stevens will not get paid Doc Rivers money his first time out.

 

[metsfan2323]

My point is that how on god's green earth could he be declaring doom and gloom for Butler and the BE because they lost a 36 yo coach when at the same time, UConn lost one of the top 5 greatest coaches to ever coach BB and are in a conference where short of a couple schools basketball does not matter and the commissioner has so much as said so.

What about this irony are you missing?

We were lucky to have Jim Calhoun force feed Kevin Ollie onto a sceptical fan base and administration, so far Ollie looks like a another JC masterpiece.

You should know better than anyone that replacing a great coach is incredibly difficult, Providence is still trying to replace Pitino.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Call me crazy, but I tend to think Stevens will not get paid Doc Rivers money his first time out.

No, but 6 years and $22m is a helluva lot more than he's going to make as a college coach.

 

[intlzncster]

Call me crazy, but I tend to think Stevens will not get paid Doc Rivers money his first time out.

Yeah, but he's got to be pulling in 4 million per or so. He was making $1.1 million at Butler, so it'll have to be enough to entice the jump. I don't think he's doing it solely for the challenge, as he and his wife reportedly loved the Indianapolis area.

 

[Husky25]

Unless my math skills have deteriorated down to nothing, niether of those numbers is greater than or equal to $7 million, as was the subject of my response.

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[NHUConnfan]

I think this is a good move for the Celtics. They have to think outside the box if they're going to gear up for a potential run in 4-5 years. I don't think the current coaching pool will get them there (Del Negro...ha). Stevens can develop young talent and he's a great Xs and Os coach. Celts are probably moving Rondo while he's hot. There's good talent to be had in the next few drafts. I honestly believe Danny Ainge was right in blowing up the team.

 

[tzznandrew]

As good as I think Rondo is--and I think he's damn good, although I've never bought him as the best PG--I think they need to move him ASAP. His stats are gaudy from playing with other damn good players. While I think Jeff Green and, to a lesser extent, Avery Bradley, are damn good and should be kept, I think Rondo will struggle to keep his assists above 10 a game without a bump in TOs. I say he's worth a 2014 first rounder and an expiring contract (unless you're getting someone young you can build around).

 

[upstater]

As good as I think Rondo is--and I think he's damn good, although I've never bought him as the best PG--I think they need to move him ASAP. His stats are gaudy from playing with other damn good players. While I think Jeff Green and, to a lesser extent, Avery Bradley, are damn good and should be kept, I think Rondo will struggle to keep his assists above 10 a game without a bump in TOs. I say he's worth a 2014 first rounder and an expiring contract (unless you're getting someone young you can build around).

I would not trade him unless it was to a horrible team with a top 5 lottery type chance.
He's certainly worth a lot more than a 1st round pick.

 

[Gurleyman]

Butler was pretty good before Stevens was the head coach. Lickliter (although Stevens was a 20-something on his staff) put together a bomb squad in 2006 and 2007 that was built around AJ Graves (a guy who could shoot out to 30 feet), and some three-point shooting bigs who could stretch the floor. In 2007, they took #1 Florida (defending champs) down to the wire in the Sweet 16 but came up just short (Horford hit a couple tough shots to seal it). Lickliter then left for Iowa - where he lasted three years and now he's back in mid-majordom somewhere.

Stevens took over a senior-laden team at age 30 and did really well his first year, quieting people who thought he got the head coaching job too young. But most thought that was it for Butler's run (four senior starters graduated). He brought in the Hayward-Mack-Nored class, though, and then took it to another level. They took a step back for a year after they lost to us (Howard graduated, Mack left early), but they were a top 20 team again this year (albeit with the quick fix of Rotnei Clarke as a transfer).

 

[Gurleyman]

As good as I think Rondo is--and I think he's damn good, although I've never bought him as the best PG--I think they need to move him ASAP. His stats are gaudy from playing with other damn good players. While I think Jeff Green and, to a lesser extent, Avery Bradley, are damn good and should be kept, I think Rondo will struggle to keep his assists above 10 a game without a bump in TOs. I say he's worth a 2014 first rounder and an expiring contract (unless you're getting someone young you can build around).

The biggest problem with Rondo is that he's clearly one of the best point guards in the league for the first 45 minutes, but one of the worst for the final three (bad FT shooter, unreliable jumper). He always had Pierce to defer to as the playmaker/decision maker in late-game situations. The Cs need someone like that at the 2 or 3 to take the pressure foul shots and initiate the offense in late-game pressure situations.

Rondo got a little better late game in 2012 - but he doesn't want to go to the line, so he avoids contact on the drive, and he is reluctant to shoot unless it is wide open off a ball reversal. You can play off him and dare him to shoot. It was frustrating in 2010 watching Kobe not even have to put in any work on the defensive end as he sat in a one-man zone and had a sandwich.

 

[UConn990411]

As good as I think Rondo is--and I think he's damn good, although I've never bought him as the best PG--I think they need to move him ASAP. His stats are gaudy from playing with other damn good players. While I think Jeff Green and, to a lesser extent, Avery Bradley, are damn good and should be kept, I think Rondo will struggle to keep his assists above 10 a game without a bump in TOs. I say he's worth a 2014 first rounder and an expiring contract (unless you're getting someone young you can build around).

I agree that Rondo should never have been considered the best point guard (it was too easy to defend him late in games, as Gurley pointed out), but I think the bolded part is kind of absurd.

A lot of people point to the fact that Rondo played with great players, and they definitely should. Who knows how his career would have turned out if he didn't get to play with three 1st ballot HOFers?

But by the same token, Pierce, KG and Ray benefited significantly from playing with Rondo, too ... particularly in the latter part of their careers. Let's not forget how limited the Big 3 were their last couple years in Boston - Ray was primarily a 3-point/mid-ranged shooter, Pierce had lost all of his explosiveness, and post-injury KG scored most of his points on jumpers. As much as Rondo benefited from having so many skilled players around him, Rondo probably helped those guys continue playing at a higher level for longer than they would have otherwise.

I have no idea how Rondo will adjust to life after KG/Pierce/Ray (although he's done fine the few times he played without 'em in the past). I just take issue when people act like Rondo was the only one who benefited from playing with the Big 3 when, in fact, the advantages worked both ways.