Brad Stevens?

[Huskyforlife]

butlers going to suck now

 

[upstater]

The Big East starts next season, correct?

I think he jumped out just in time.

 

[intlzncster]

Wow. Bad move for pretty much everyone involved.
And Butler returns to obscurity....

Except for Stevens. If this doesn't work out, he'll still have his pick of the plum jobs in the NCAA. If it does, then he's set. He'll come out like roses either way. Win win.

 

[intlzncster]

Its a good move for Stevens, but not good for the Celtics. Stevens try's his hand at the NBA and if it doesnt work out for him he will have a ton of college jobs lined up for him. Its not as if an established NBA coach is gonna be interested in coaching in a rebuilding situation.

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They need to get him some Thibodeau-esque assistants. If so, he should be OK. Not as arrogant as Pitino. Besides, what established NBA coach is going to want to tank for a few years. Might as well take a flier on a guy who CAN coach, but you're just not sure about the level. I love Danny Ainge here. Guy has so much balls for a GM, and in the NBA, that is fun-hating refreshing.​

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[beerfan]

Except maybe for Carlissimo I can't think of any other college coach that made it in the NBA. Two different animals.

Oh, and I think Carlissimo had a big falling out with one of his players.

 

[intlzncster]

Pitino was president and dir. Of player personnel. He blames his failure in Boston on not winning the lottery (Tim Duncan) and he gave a total of 30 games to Billups before shipping him off. Stevens won't have that pressure.

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They set themselves up to fail if they didn't get Duncan. Obviously, Pitino was the orchestrator of that strategy.

 

[tzznandrew]

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They need to get him some Thibodeau-esque assistants. If so, he should be OK. Not as arrogant as Pitino. Besides, what established NBA coach is going to want to tank for a few years. Might as well take a flier on a guy who CAN coach, but you're just not sure about the level. I love Danny Ainge here. Guy has so much balls for a GM, and in the NBA, that is fun-hating refreshing.​

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And Ainge has shown a willingness to stick with coaches he likes through losing. Rivers was 102-134 in his first three years, and just looked awful. Granted the trades for Allen and Garnett changed his fortunes, but there was no reason for Ainge to not fire him after the 3rd year. No one would have cared, and the team could have started fresh.

 

[progrocks]

Why the hell is Butler going to suck now? Look at their immediate coaching history. Coaches go there, do well, get better jobs. That will draw someone good in, and they will have every chance to continue being good. Matta made the move work, Lickliter didnt, but all these young coaches want is the opportunity.

Whether Butler is a good Big East fit being a non-catholic is another issue all together.

 

[Dann]

If I'm butler I offer Shaka big bucks

 

[Husky25]

And Ainge has shown a willingness to stick with coaches he likes through losing. Rivers was 102-134 in his first three years, and just looked awful. Granted the trades for Allen and Garnett changed his fortunes, but there was no reason for Ainge to not fire him after the 3rd year. No one would have cared, and the team could have started fresh.

If you remember, the Cs lost the lottery that year too. They drafted Jeff green and shipped him in a draft day package for Allen, which is what convinced a reluctant Garnett to waive his no-trade clause and come to Boston (a trade on which McHale and Ainge basically colluded).

Pierce was disgruntled all season. The Celtics made a razor thin vieled attept to lose as many games as possible to either get the 1st pick or the parts to win the very next year. Keeping Rivers was a reward for tanking 2006-07.

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[Brochacho]

Obviously I want the Celtics to get Wiggins, but I really think that as long as they get in the top 6 then they have a shot at a franchise level player. Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Harrison look really good and this is before anybody plays their way to the top. Exciting.

 

[Scoe]

Horizontal move for Smart. He might as well stay where he is.

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big name coaches dont go to a mid major, big name coaches become big name coaches at a mid major like Calhoun at Northeastern

 

[upstater]

Why the hell is Butler going to suck now? Look at their immediate coaching history. Coaches go there, do well, get better jobs. That will draw someone good in, and they will have every chance to continue being good. Matta made the move work, Lickliter didnt, but all these young coaches want is the opportunity.

Whether Butler is a good Big East fit being a non-catholic is another issue all together.

Because they ain't in the Horizon any more. Lots of losses, more difficulty getting to the tourney, your record begins to look lackluster. Look at Karl Hobbs at GW. He had them ranked #5 at the end of the year one year. But coming out of the A10 consistently was too tough .

 

[Scoe]

Butler will still be good they were good before Stevens got there, top 15-20 good probably not.

 

[upstater]

Obviously I want the Celtics to get Wiggins, but I really think that as long as they get in the top 6 then they have a shot at a franchise level player. Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Harrison look really good and this is before anybody plays their way to the top. Exciting.

But we say this every year about the draft, and then it approaches and everyone holds their noses.

Jabari Parker, by the ay, has been branded as being relatively unathletic for all the hype he got.

 

[8893]

I like the move. All too often, you have retreads in head coaching positions like Doug Collins or Vinny Del Negro or George Karl. This guy clearly has "something" about him and in a rebuilding phase, I'm not sure it's a bad gamble.

At the very least, you have to think LeBron owns the East for the next 5-7 years. Give Stevens a trial period to see if he's got what it takes and re-evaluate from there.

I pretty much agree with this. He's clearly a smart guy with a good basketball mind who did a great job motivating hoosiers who, for the most part, had no legitimate NBA expectations or the egos that come with them. I'm not sure that his "something" will translate in the NBA, where managing egos is a big part of the job; and unlike someone like, say, Spoelstra, he won't have the benefit of apprenticing under a coach like Riley. But he's worth a shot to generate some good-guy good will while the Celts rebuild and likely suck for a while. If he works out, great. If not, he's not a bad place holder until they have some big pieces in place again.

No downside whatsoever for Stevens. He couldn't have leveraged his position any better imo.

 

[FriarJ]

The Big East starts next season, correct?

I think he jumped out just in time.

You need to shift your point of view so that you can step back from that story in your mind. This will give you a gap of time in which to refrain from a jealous or angry reaction and do something else. I feel for you, not having control over rational thought anymore; understandable as it is. only someone who can completely bend reality could call for doom and gloom to the BE and Butler with the current changes, but not UConn...

 

[G0UCONN]

Didn't see that coming. Think I like it. Figured it would be Del Negro.

He will definitely earn his pay having to manage Rondo and his headcaseness.

 

[Husky25]

big name coaches dont go to a mid major, big name coaches become big name coaches at a mid major like Calhoun at Northeastern

That's my point. VCU is already in the A10. Once the Catholic-7 decided to break away, they headed down the road to the Emerald-mid-major-City, Big East name or not.

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[Dooley]

Aaaand with that, Butler's time in the spotlight is closed.

 

[Dann]

Horizontal move for Smart. He might as well stay where he is.

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Why go from VCU to Butler, when you could go from VCU to any job you want?

Butler is in the big east. They are a small private. The big east is bball only. If the power 5 split then the big east can spilt also and pay the stiped and only compete in bball and others. They can afford it and have the tv contract backing to do so. The big east is set. If the p5 stay in the NCAA then all is well. Butler made it.

Vcu on the other hand is a big public and does not play football and wi odu and jmu both now upgrading football vcu has no shot. W&m even may pass them. What that means is vcu will never reach higher than the a10 who will never touch the big east now. Vcu has horrible potential compared to 2 years ago.

This would be anything but a lateral move. If Shaka can get a better job then ya go for it. Who is offering?

Butler just had the ride of its life for a couple years and parlayed it to a invite to. The big east where they will never get left behind. They have a slot in a league that can pay a stipend or chill in the NCAA based on what they want to do. They are more set then uconn basketball right now technically. Not looking for a history argument.

Today butler got its cage rattled. After everything that's happened nothing would show power and balls more than landing Shaka. Or even calling Larry brown or someone of name significance.

Lateral move my asz.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Its a good move for Stevens, but not good for the Celtics. Stevens try's his hand at the NBA and if it doesnt work out for him he will have a ton of college jobs lined up for him. Its not as if an established NBA coach is gonna be interested in coaching in a rebuilding situation.

It's the same path Pitino took and the same path Calipari took. And the same path Saban and Petrino took. Albeit that Calipari was running from infractions at UMass.

But the MO is the same. Go from successful college coach to the pros. If you succeed, it's a huge paycheck as a pro coach. If not you return to college and sell your experience to HS kids telling them that you know how to prepare them for the pro level.

 

[upstater]

You need to shift your point of view so that you can step back from that story in your mind. This will give you a gap of time in which to refrain from a jealous or angry reaction and do something else. I feel for you, not having control over rational thought anymore; understandable as it is. only someone who can completely bend reality could call for doom and gloom to the BE and Butler with the current changes, but not UConn...

Your knee jerked so very hard on that one. UConn will be more than all right. You watch as we dominate.

 

[Huskyforlife]

You need to shift your point of view so that you can step back from that story in your mind. This will give you a gap of time in which to refrain from a jealous or angry reaction and do something else. I feel for you, not having control over rational thought anymore; understandable as it is. only someone who can completely bend reality could call for doom and gloom to the BE and Butler with the current changes, but not UConn...

what? all most of us are saying is butler sucks.

 

[8893]

I wish no ill on the New Big East...until it is certain that we would not accept an invitation for all sports except football, that is.

 

[UCHuskies08]

You need to shift your point of view so that you can step back from that story in your mind. This will give you a gap of time in which to refrain from a jealous or angry reaction and do something else. I feel for you, not having control over rational thought anymore; understandable as it is. only someone who can completely bend reality could call for doom and gloom to the BE and Butler with the current changes, but not UConn...

No matter what happens, you'll still be Providence.

Celebrating Ricky Ledo getting drafted in the second round. A player that never suited up for you guys but took your fans on an emotional rollercoaster, with no payoff, for years. That's you guys. So, yeah.

 

[Chin Diesel]

No matter what happens, you'll still be Providence.

Celebrating Ricky Ledo getting drafted in the second round. A player that never suited up for you guys but took your fans on an emotional rollercoaster, with no payoff, for years. That's you guys. So, yeah.

And that sucks.

 

[zls44]

For all their crowing about "returning to roots" and "preserving the history" and "allure of staying at MSG", their best coach just told them that it isn't worth a damn.

Enjoy FuelTV!

 

[intlzncster]

You need to shift your point of view so that you can step back from that story in your mind. This will give you a gap of time in which to refrain from a jealous or angry reaction and do something else. I feel for you, not having control over rational thought anymore; understandable as it is. only someone who can completely bend reality could call for doom and gloom to the BE and Butler with the current changes, but not UConn...

You ok dude?

Not really on your point though. Plenty of good teams carry poop conferences. Memphis has done it recently.

 

[alexd]

It will be interesting to see who will actually be interested in the Butler job. That in itself, will tell you a lot about where that program and their league is really at. At this point, promoting an assistant would be the quickest fix but would do nothing to help hold on to the image they've created the past few years.