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Fairfield Fan said:
Someone had a post showing the records of teams agains RPI Top-50 teams, and Tennessee had one of the best in WCBB. UConn, with a 14-0 record was best, followed by ND with what is now 11-4. I think Tennessee is 10-7 (?).

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Fairfield Fan said:
Someone had a post showing the records of teams agains RPI Top-50 teams, and Tennessee had one of the best in WCBB. UConn, with a 14-0 record was best, followed by ND with what is now 11-4. I think Tennessee is 10-7 (?).

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No question that Tennessee has a collection of high-end wins to rival anyone's except UConn's. Of their 8 top-50 wins, 6 are over the RPI top 25; 4 are over the RPI top 10; and 3 are over the RPI top 5 (!). The counterweight, of course, is those bad losses to teams like Ole Miss, Alabama, and Virginia Tech.
 
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Plebe said:
2016-2017 Men's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Live - WarrenNolan.com

By far the best resource I've found for this stuff (have you found another?). The "nitty gritty plus team sheets" is the best visual layout I've seen of detailed team resumes:
Nitty Gritty Report with Team Pages for 2016-2017 NCAA Women's College Basketball - WarrenNolan.com
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I hadnt seen a Nitty Gritty report for women since Jerry Palm stopped doing women's RPI. I had been getting RPIs from realtimerpi.com, but this site you found totally kicks ash!
 
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vowelguy said:
I hadnt seen a Nitty Gritty report for women since Jerry Palm stopped doing women's RPI. I had been getting RPIs from realtimerpi.com, but this site you found totally kicks ash!
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It does indeed. And whenever there's any technical glitch with the site, Warren is good about responding and fixing. He does a great job.

It's pretty sad that ESPN does a nitty gritty report for MCBB but not for the women.
 
vowelguy said:
  • If Wash is the #2, then Stanford & UCLA cannot be in that top 4.
  • Louisville and UCLA are the stronger 4 seeds. The #1 overall seed should get the lowest #4 if possible.
  • The committee already has a lot of procedures that make bracketing a challenge. To add another - avoid rematches - would make it even more difficult. And, to the point, there is no such rule currently.
  • The committee's 1st goal is to create even, fair brackets. Thus the use of the S-curve to the extent possible.
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Thanks, the key is being as close to the S curve given the higher priority rules. As the committee does consider prior matches for Conference and to a lesser extent OOC (I highly doubt they would put 2 prior OOC teams in UConn group, 1 yes, 2 no). They also keep an eye for interesting television, so it will be interesting which path they take and I think the Conf Tournys will justify how they implement.
 
DefenseBB said:
Thanks, the key is being as close to the S curve given the higher priority rules. As the committee does consider prior matches for Conference and to a lesser extent OOC (I highly doubt they would put 2 prior OOC teams in UConn group, 1 yes, 2 no). They also keep an eye for interesting television, so it will be interesting which path they take and I think the Conf Tournys will justify how they implement.
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The only guideline in the bracketing principles related to avoiding rematches of regular-season opponents (aside from separating teams from the same conference) is listed under "additional considerations" and says: "If possible, rematches of regular-season games should be avoided in the first- and second-rounds."
 
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I asked and you answered- thank you. My own view is I doubt the committee will put 2 teams from UConn OOC in their group! And YES, given a choice of matching UConn vs. tOSU or UCOnn vs. Tenn (if tOSU is 16 and Tenn is 15) the committee will put Tenn in to get ESPN viewership! I cannot be any more clear than that. It is why the committee has host games on high seeds campuses for attendance and they need the money from TV so slotting 1 S curve slot up or down will occur. So you can keep your opinion and I will most definitely keep mine. I hope you are not trying to be snarky as it would be a tad uncivilized on such a cordial forum. ;).
 
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Maryland has played 11 Games against Sub 200 RPI teams Three of the teams are in the BIG Conference. Illinois, Rutgers and Wisconsin. While UConn which people complain is in a Weak Conference, didn't play any Team with a Sub 200 RPI. Houston had the lowest RPI at 173 for an AAC Team.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Maryland has played 11 Games against Sub 200 RPI teams Three of the teams are in the BIG Conference. Illinois, Rutgers and Wisconsin. While UConn which people complain is in a Weak Conference, didn't play any Team with a Sub 200 RPI. Houston had the lowest RPI at 173 for an AAC Team.
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But, (and it's a BIG BUT), Maryland did play a better game against Uconn than either ND or SC. If the scenerio revolves around Uconn, then Maryland is being oushed aside.
 
Monte said:
But, (and it's a BIG BUT), Maryland did play a better game against Uconn than either ND or SC. If the scenerio revolves around Uconn, then Maryland is being oushed aside.
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Wrong, even though they lost by 6 they were down 21 on their home floor. SC and ND were never down that much and played UCONN tough.
 
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Monte said:
But, (and it's a BIG BUT), Maryland did play a better game against Uconn than either ND or SC. If the scenerio revolves around Uconn, then Maryland is being oushed aside.
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I don't agree. Final margin of victory can be misleading. Neither ND nor SC ever trailed UConn by 19 in the second half. And both actually held leads in the game, which Maryland didn't do.
 
SCspur said:
Wrong, even though they lost by 6 they were down 21 on their home floor. SC and ND were never down that much and played UCONN tough.
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Uconn used only their top 7 players in the complete game. They won 2 quarters, and MD won 2 quarters. I would say that a team which comes back to lose by only 7 points, is more competitive than one which falls apart near the end of the game. Seeing that both teams went with their best players throughout the game, I would say that the final score matters the most, as it does in all sports.
 
Plebe said:
I don't agree. Final margin of victory can be misleading. Neither ND nor SC ever trailed UConn by 19 in the second half. And both actually held leads in the game, which Maryland didn't do.
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That's why they play FOUR quarters......and MD had more GRIT near the end.
 
Monte said:
That's why they play FOUR quarters.and MD had more GRIT near the end.
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Oh really? They play four quarters? Sorry, I mean FOUR quarters. Wow, thanks for pointing that out with such emphasis. I was totally unaware of that all-important fact.

Either way, a difference of 6 vs. 11 points in the final score vs. a single common opponent is one of the last metrics the committee would use in comparing teams. If that becomes an overriding factor, then why not compare Ohio State and Maryland based on their performance vs. Penn State, a team Maryland beat by only 6 and Ohio State beat by 15? If I'm an OSU homer, I'm using that one data point combined with the head-to-head win to argue that OSU should be seeded ahead of Maryland :rolleyes:
 
Plebe said:
Oh really? They play four quarters? Sorry, I mean FOUR quarters. Wow, thanks for pointing that out with such emphasis. I was totally unaware of that all-important fact.

Either way, a difference of 6 vs. 11 points in the final score vs. a single common opponent is one of the last metrics the committee would use in comparing teams. If that becomes an overriding factor, then why not compare Ohio State and Maryland based on their performance vs. Penn State, a team Maryland beat by only 6 and Ohio State beat by 15? If I'm an OSU homer, I'm using that one data point combined with the head-to-head win to argue that OSU should be seeded ahead of Maryland :rolleyes:
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I am not going to compare every 2 teams who played each other. I was basing my thoughts on Uconn and the teams they play(THE END).
 
Monte said:
I am not going to compare every 2 teams who played each other. I was basing my thoughts on Uconn and the teams they play(THE END).
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Perfect. Then we can both agree that Tulane should be a #1 seed, easily ahead of Maryland. (Insert words in all caps to denote finality.)
 
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Monte said:
That's why they play FOUR quarters.and MD had more GRIT near the end.
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Hhmm. Slocum had grit (not MD). Even then, with our foul trouble, we could not even breath on the MD players as they scored near the basket in the 2nd half.

I agree MD is good and deserves respect but the use of GRIT really surprised me. Lou barfing into a tub while having one of her best games against MD showed GRIT. Tulane nearly coming back while undersized and far less talented showed grit. Let's use the word GRIT only when it is true. How much grit can a team have when they play such a weak OOC schedule

By the way, I agree ND and SC did not show grit, ND collapsing at end of quarters and SC having only one player that plays tough and well in harsh conditions and it is not Alainna Coates.
 
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