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RayRay said:
33 pts. Excellent showing, how is he not getting minutes on the hornets…
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Ah yeah, missed the last 3 thanks!

Hornets need to play him. It’s in the best interest of the team long term and I really think he can help them in the short term. The bench was awful at times on the most recent road trip.
 
Chief00 said:
Sorry my typo - meant to say suspensions of Calhoun and Boatright (not Bouknight).
I think Calhoun missing numerous games due to suspension and illness did prevent him from having enough opportunities to do the type of things you suggest. Would he have been successful? We will never know, but he was successful doing stuff like that other years. No doubt, this team and 2006 were perhaps Calhoun’s most underachieving teams. In 2006 the issue was we were short a ball handler due to AJ Price’s laptop situation and/or health issue as I recall.
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You can’t compare ‘06 and ‘12. In ‘06 we played great all year and earned a 1 seed. We just happened to lose in the tourney earlier than we hoped. In ‘12, we had a team with three players who had multi-year NBA careers (Drummond plus Shabazz plus Lamb) plus Boat, Daniels, Griffey, AO and Roscoe and we didn’t beat a single ranked team all year.
 
ThabeetDown said:
“But he deserves to be sent down!” What a joke he made a lot of you look like after a stat line like this. He belongs to be playing in the NBA whether it’s with the Hornets or someone else. That much is clear.

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Caught the second half. Looked good on offense but defensively it was a very mixed bag. He’d have some plays where he was engaged, in good position and pressuring the passing lanes and then to my eye, quite a few more where he looked a bit lost, head spinning, and found himself out of position and giving up an easy bucket. Hoping that gets cleaned up with more PT because I’m guessing that’s a big factor why he didn’t see many minutes with the Hornets.
 
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businesslawyer said:
You can’t compare ‘06 and ‘12. In ‘06 we played great all year and earned a 1 seed. We just happened to lose in the tourney earlier than we hoped. In ‘12, we had a team with three players who had multi-year NBA careers (Drummond plus Shabazz plus Lamb) plus Boat, Daniels, Griffey, AO and Roscoe and we didn’t beat a single ranked team all year.
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I understand but in those days we had very lofty goals. We ended the season the same way, being bounced early from the tournament.

I think you are undervaluing the impact of Jim’s serious health problems, his NCAA related suspension, Bouknight’s suspension and the NCAA cloud for the future, that was a distraction and contributed to a post season exodus. Andre was NOT a cause or “effect” for any of that.
Did it impact his development as a freshmen - sure it did. I believe Jim was out again with his serious health issues late in the year but made a more symbolic than material return for the tournament. He was not in good health. While George and Jim had many similar philosophies, their styles were more than a little different for players to adjust to when Jim was in and out of the coaching line-up so much.
How did Andre’s presence “effect” others? I do agree for AD only a backup role remained. His dad got involved and made that difficult for George and Jim to manage. Playing them together clogged up the middle too much on offense. Having said that, they personally got along fine and were friendly.

Ultimately, I guess everyone on the team by definition had the “effect” of any games lost including Andre. I am just saying it’s a tall ask to put a dispportionate share of that blame on a freshman (cause or effect) especially with the unique events Chief addressed earlier in this post. There was no way Jim could work his usual magic when he was out so much due to suspension and serious illness. Ryan Boatright being suspended for several games hurt too. True, Andre did not have the usual time to bond with his teammates over the summer either. However, the problems were generally the on-court play never coming together rather than how the players got along off the court. Much different than last season as even Coach Hurley publicly acknowledges now.

If you look at AD’s rebounding, he did not really master the positioning that made him an NBA historic rebounder, until Rasheed Wallace taugh him how to do it. In college, he still was working to not relie so much on jumping over people or just being taller.
 
Chief00 said:
I understand but in those days we had very lofty goals. We ended the season the same way, being bounced early from the tournament.

I think you are undervaluing the impact of Jim’s serious health problems, his NCAA related suspension, Bouknight’s suspension and the NCAA cloud for the future, that was a distraction and contributed to a post season exodus. Andre was NOT a cause or “effect” for any of that.
Did it impact his development as a freshmen - sure it did. I believe Jim was out again with his serious health issues late in the year but made a more symbolic than material return for the tournament. He was not in good health. While George and Jim had many similar philosophies, their styles were more than a little different for players to adjust to when Jim was in and out of the coaching line-up so much.
How did Andre’s presence “effect” others? I do agree for AD only a backup role remained. His dad got involved and made that difficult for George and Jim to manage. Playing them together clogged up the middle too much on offense. Having said that, they personally got along fine and were friendly.

Ultimately, I guess everyone on the team by definition had the “effect” of any games lost including Andre. I am just saying it’s a tall ask to put a dispportionate share of that blame on a freshman (cause or effect) especially with the unique events Chief addressed earlier in this post. There was no way Jim could work his usual magic when he was out so much due to suspension and serious illness. Ryan Boatright being suspended for several games hurt too. True, Andre did not have the usual time to bond with his teammates over the summer either. However, the problems were generally the on-court play never coming together rather than how the players got along off the court. Much different than last season as even Coach Hurley publicly acknowledges now.

If you look at AD’s rebounding, he did not really master the positioning that made him an NBA historic rebounder, until Rasheed Wallace taugh him how to do it. In college, he still was working to not relie so much on jumping over people or just being taller.
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Only a casual fan would think that getting blown out in the first round of the NCAA tournament is a comparable result to losing in a Regional Final, in OT, when the last shot rims out instead of going in.
 
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Expressing frustration?
 
businesslawyer said:
Only a casual fan would think that getting blown out in the first round of the NCAA tournament is a comparable result to losing in a Regional Final, in OT, when the last shot rims out instead of going in.
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As Chief said, I understand but in those days we had “lofty goals”. Falling short was falling short. Did you feel good after losing to Duke in Jersey? Or even during 2009 in Detroit? Where you celebrating getting there? Thank God, Coach Calhoun did not think like that.
Additionally, let’s not disrespect Coach Calhoun’s 2011/2012 efforts. His health issues are public and well documented, by any standard it was a miracle of God and Grit that he coached that tournament game and is alive today. I danced around the severity of the issue previously, since he never makes excuses. But, it is really bad form for people continuing to bring that season up - which he missed large chunks of due to health issues and suspensions and blame it on the “effects” of a freshman” joining a veteran team. It wasn’t typical of his coaching resume but there were legitimate reasons for a “disappointing” season rather or not Andre Drummond came to UConn. What you erroneously call the “Drummond Effect” was really the “ Calhoun, the HOH Coach, being out and sick Effect”. To think that having a Hall of Fame Coach absent throughout the season rather than molding the team wouldn’t have an effect is silly.
 
NYtoCT said:
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Expressing frustration?
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I wish James a speedy return to the NBA from the G League. Having said that, I don’t think that the number of points he scores per game is the metric to use to define success. He isn’t going to average 30 per game on the Hornets. He needs to work at learning to play with other guys who can also score. Defense in stopping an opponent who can drop 30 is important too.
Don’t get me wrong, scoring 30 is a good thing as long as these other things happen too.
 
He scored 33 in a g league game. Happy for the young man.

Hopefully he realizes that’s not the sole metric that any team uses to evaluate most players. You typically have to be more complete to have a meaningful role. I’m sure someone has a +/- on him.

Just keep doing that night after night while improving the parts of his game the Hornets want him to work on and it’ll work out.

I do laugh at the “look at me” social posts, but the idea of just doing work quietly waved bye bye a long time ago.
 
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superjohn said:
Borrego is a dufus.
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Sure seems that way. Crazy, Bouk finished with 33 and missed two or three finger roll layups. Showed a lot of a poise and seemed like the best player on the floor.

Only concern I have with Bouk, is the constant knee-buckling that leads to turnovers. He did it here at UCONN and it occurred yesterday after he hit the big three to put the swarm up front. Anyone think Bouk is potentially still dealing with the knee injury that sidelined him in hs?
 
Yankees32123 said:
Again, Bouknight’s UConn career was better than Andre Drummond’s. The post implied Bouk had the worst college career of any UConn lottery pick.
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My bad Drummonds one year doesn't compare to Bouks career
 
olehead said:
Sure seems that way. Crazy, Bouk finished with 33 and missed two or three finger roll layups. Showed a lot of a poise and seemed like the best player on the floor.

Only concern I have with Bouk, is the constant knee-buckling that leads to turnovers. He did it here at UCONN and it occurred yesterday after he hit the big three to put the swarm up front. Anyone think Bouk is potentially still dealing with the knee injury that sidelined him in hs?
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He only had 1 TO in yesterdays game so that’s a good start. NBA teams aren’t allowed to withhold injury info like that, so I would be surprised if there was something going on. I could be wrong, but that would be my best guess.
 
Idk why some people believe UConn/College better prepares/develops you for the NBA than an actual NBA franchise. Especially after that franchise invested a lottery pick in that player. Practice against Cole and Gaffney is better than Lamelo and Rozier? If he doesn't make it as an NBA player, it won't be the Hornets fault, or his decision to not spend 1 more year playing CCSU or Villanova, it'll just be a lack of ability.
 
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Cryptic message from Bouk today, if my Gen Z emoji reading skills are on point, I would say he’s indicating the wait is almost over or is over for showtime. So, maybe he finally cracks the rotation tomorrow against Washington!

For the record, I’m almost 40 yrs old, so if there’s any younger board members on here that can correctly interpret this, please chime in!
 
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I wish James the best. Quite frankly, if he’s still thinking they are looking for showtime vs defense and team play - I am not sure the message has sunk in. Granted it excites our wonderful casual fans but Mitch and MJ?
 
Chief00 said:
I wish James the best. Quite frankly, if he’s still thinking they are looking for showtime vs defense and team play - I am not sure the message has sunk in. Granted it excites our wonderful casual fans but Mitch and MJ?
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I’m not saying he said that, I was trying to decipher the cryptic emoji message. But it seems to indicate he will be playing soon, so maybe the message did sink in, and he’s shown what the coaching staff has wanted to see in practice, so now Borrego told him he’s playing. I have no idea Chief, but as a huge fan, of course I would be excited for him to play, who here wouldn’t?
 
August_West said:
That's even a debatable call. You could probably make a case either way and Id agree with either. ;-)
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But athletic bigs are worth an extra foot in height. So he was like 9’ tall. Also the number one player in his original class after dominating most other bigs on the aau and travel circuits. What did he avg? Like 12 and 7? Not bad for a clogged front court in the bruising big East. Dre was better.
 
MervthePurvis said:
But athletic bigs are worth an extra foot in height. So he was like 9’ tall. Also the number one player in his original class after dominating most other bigs on the aau and travel circuits. What did he avg? Like 12 and 7? Not bad for a clogged front court in the bruising big East. Dre was better.
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Lol, there's no argument Drummond was as accomplished at UConn as Bouknight. Bouknight was first team all Big East and would've been Big East player of the year had he been healthy all year. Drummond didn't make first team, second team or third team. Bouknight averaged 19 and 6, Drummond averaged 10 and 8. They both made the tournament and lost first round.
 
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superjohn said:
Lol, there's no argument Drummond was as accomplished at UConn as Bouknight. Bouknight was first team all Big East and would've been Big East player of the year had he been healthy all year. Drummond didn't make first team, second team or third team. Bouknight averaged 19 and 6, Drummond averaged 10 and 8. They both made the tournament and lost first round.
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Clever comparing Drummond’s freshman year with Bouknight’s Sophomore year. Never mind Dre was without his head coach for a large portion of his season.
 
Almost have to feel bad for him. This season compared to last season is going to be like night and day. The players. The crowds. He really should have experienced UCONN Basketball in all its glory.
 
Husky Alien said:
He really wasn't ready. As @Chief00 said, he was not guided properly or something like that.
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I was one of the guys who thought he needed more time, especially physically. Most believed you have to go when the NBA comes calling. It's a shame because I am sure guys like Ray, Rip, Caron look back at their post-seasons with UCONN with very fond memories, and Bouk really doesn't have that.
 
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