Boston Celtics Sighting

[ZenConn]

"That(or dat) your wife"

Honey Nut Cheerios?

 

[nomar]

I've been a Celtic's fan for multiple years, but after the Ray indecent I can't consider myself a rooter. I think Ainge's supposed offer was an insult. By the way, I go back to Russell, so this really hurts! Jason Terry. Really? Ainge should be fired!!

Supposed offer? The one where Ray would have gotten paid twice as much as he's getting paid by the Heat? That supposed offer?

Who cares if the Heat offered first? The Celtics offered more. Obviously Ray felt disrespected by the Celtics, but that was for being dangled at the trade deadline - not because he got a REAL, BETTER offer from the Celtics. He chose the Heat DESPITE the "supposed" offer, not because of it.

Also, I love Ray and all, but as a lifelong Celtics fan, I would never swear them off because they mentioned a player I like in trade discussions.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

A thousand times this. And Pierce has put a hell of a lot more blood, sweat and tears into the franchise than Ray did, and he still gets shopped all the time, and we don't have this meme about how "insulted" Pierce is.

 

[nomar]

Absolutely. For all the crap PP gets about being a sissy, you don't hear him complaining about being shopped around.

This board is the only place in the entire universe where Celtics fans are complaining about Ainge's conduct vis-a-vis Ray.

I'm a UConn fan before I'm a Celtics fan, but I realize the NBA is literally a different ballgame. It's a business. (Officially, I mean.)

 

[k9fanatic]

How about we try to look at the situation through Ray's eyes rather than the prism of Celtic fanhood.

You're a 37-year old player who realizes he only has a couple, maybe three decent years left in the league.

You came to a team through a trade, played your heart out even when hurt, took the role of the third wheel although you'd always been "the man" for the good of the team, helped the team win a championship and yet still got the bulk of the blame when things didn't go well. Lost game 7 to the Lakers in 2010? If only he hadn't shot so poorly, if only this, if only that. The all-universe KG got 3 rebounds in that game. 3! Maybe an extra rebound or two swings the game the Celts' way. But no, can't blame KG -- he's a warrior. Pierce shot 5/15 in the game. Maybe if he had a shot a better percentage the Celts would have won. But no, can't blame Pierce -- he's the captain. Must be Ray's fault.

Now fast forward a couple of years. You've been dangled in trade talks for three straight years. You've actually been told you were traded, only to have the trade rescinded. You've been replaced in the starting lineup by the next great Celtic hope, who turned out not to be quite the be-all everyone thought. You've had to put up with a teammate that you can't stand who just happens to be the starting point guard. The team could have told him during the year that they wanted him back, but didn't because it all hinged on whether KG came back or not. When midnight struck on free agency day, the first call they made was to Jason Terry, who by the way plays the same position as you. And to top it all, the team only got real interested in bringing you back once the Heat made their intentions known.

Tell me again why you'd want to spend the last couple of years in the league putting up with that crap? Oh that's right -- "loyalty". Because, you know, when the team gets rid of a player, it's business, but when a player leaves, it's being a traitor.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

How about we try to look at the situation through Ray's eyes rather than the prism of Celtic fanhood.

You're a 37-year old player who realizes he only has a couple, maybe three decent years left in the league.

You came to a team through a trade, played your heart out even when hurt, took the role of the third wheel although you'd always been "the man" for the good of the team, helped the team win a championship and yet still got the bulk of the blame when things didn't go well. Lost game 7 to the Lakers in 2010? If only he hadn't shot so poorly, if only this, if only that. The all-universe KG got 3 rebounds in that game. 3! Maybe an extra rebound or two swings the game the Celts' way. But no, can't blame KG -- he's a warrior. Pierce shot 5/15 in the game. Maybe if he had a shot a better percentage the Celts would have won. But no, can't blame Pierce -- he's the captain. Must be Ray's fault.

Now fast forward a couple of years. You've been dangled in trade talks for three straight years. You've actually been told you were traded, only to have the trade rescinded. You've been replaced in the starting lineup by the next great Celtic hope, who turned out not to be quite the be-all everyone thought. You've had to put up with a teammate that you can't stand who just happens to be the starting point guard. The team could have told him during the year that they wanted him back, but didn't because it all hinged on whether KG came back or not. When midnight struck on free agency day, the first call they made was to Jason Terry, who by the way plays the same position as you. And to top it all, the team only got real interested in bringing you back once the Heat made their intentions known.

Tell me again why you'd want to spend the last couple of years in the league putting up with that crap? Oh that's right -- "loyalty". Because, you know, when the team gets rid of a player, it's business, but when a player leaves, it's being a traitor.

Fanboy garbage. No one cares that Ray decided to leave. So I don't know why you're acting as if people do. Best of luck in Miami. It's the huffing and puffing about how disrespected he was that gets old. The Celts offered him more money. He was on the trading block, sure, but the Celtics had a deal for Josh Smith all but done this season that would have resulted in Pierce getting traded and how much whining and complaining about how disrespected Pierce was has there been? Exactly zero. And Pierce has suffered through exponentially more garbage in his tenure in Boston than Ray ever had to.

It's perfectly fine that Ray wants to chase a ring with Miami, good luck to him. But this "disrespect" thing is a joke. This board sounds like a bunch of soccer moms whose kid got benched when they talk about Ray. It's embarrassing and completely out of step with reality. I'm half expecting a post where someone floats the idea of getting rid of Lebron so Ray can get more shots.

 

[UConn990411]

The Ray-Celtics argument is starting to confuse me.

Can someone explain to me why it can't be neither side's fault? The Celtics did what they thought was best for them, Ray did what he thought was best for him, and now he's in Miami.

It was all business, and that ultimately led the two parties to go in separate ways. It happens.

 

[BoatShow]

The thread title is funny because jaynyce sucks.

 

[BoatShow]

They are such a bunch of classless morons.

Act like you have been there before.............oh wait they haven't.

I love the way Martin acts like he just won a ring anytime he does anything remotely well. I get the guy was out of the NBA and whatever but c'mon. C'monnnnn.

 

[Gurleyman]

Celtics fans are just as embarrassing, acting like it should be some sort of privilege to wear their jersey, as if it was still 1967. I would say they were 70-30 against the Ray trade in the first place ("why trade for a washed up 2-guard coming off foot surgery") and were at least - at least - 80-20 against re-signing him last year ("why keep a washed-up 2-guard coming off foot surgery"). Even the ones that wanted the C's to re-sign him wanted him to have a reduced role, and be the Wally Pipp to Avery Bradley's Lou Gehrig. Then he leaves, and the fans who didn't give a crap if he came or went turn around and act jilted because they didn't get to be the ones to pull the plug.

Cs fans basically had a couple weeks of hot sex with Avery Bradley and got all into it, decided to shack up, and debated whether to keep Ray around for the occasional booty call. Now that the initial excitement has worn off, the sex with Bradley isn't nearly as good, and, to be honest, he often looks like kind of a skank. Meanwhile, the ex is doing great in a new relationship and doesn't miss a thing. Hard not to be bitter, I know.

 

[Jerry1714]

Do you think one Celtic fan would trade Avery for Ray? Literally,is there one out there? No, I didn't think so.

No one is sad Ray left, they are disappointed he left for less money to go to their current rival.

The inital trade for Ray would have been a bad move without getting Garnett. Ray and pierce doesn't win you a ring, it only gets you older. ray, pierce and kg? Well that's another story.

Your post makes no sense. All I got out of it is YOU are sad about how the celtics/fans treated Ray, that is a you problem.

 

[willie99]

Celtics fans are just as embarrassing, acting like it should be some sort of privilege to wear their jersey, as if it was still 1967. I would say they were 70-30 against the Ray trade in the first place ("why trade for a washed up 2-guard coming off foot surgery") and were at least - at least - 80-20 against re-signing him last year ("why keep a washed-up 2-guard coming off foot surgery"). Even the ones that wanted the C's to re-sign him wanted him to have a reduced role, and be the Wally Pipp to Avery Bradley's Lou Gehrig. Then he leaves, and the fans who didn't give a crap if he came or went turn around and act jilted because they didn't get to be the ones to pull the plug.

Cs fans basically had a couple weeks of hot sex with Avery Bradley and got all into it, decided to shack up, and debated whether to keep Ray around for the occasional booty call. Now that the initial excitement has worn off, the sex with Bradley isn't nearly as good, and, to be honest, he often looks like kind of a skank. Meanwhile, the ex is doing great in a new relationship and doesn't miss a thing. Hard not to be bitter, I know.

you sure did pull a lot of facts right out of your , not sure I saw one accurate comment save for it's not 1967

hate much?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Celtics fans are just as embarrassing, acting like it should be some sort of privilege to wear their jersey, as if it was still 1967. I would say they were 70-30 against the Ray trade in the first place ("why trade for a washed up 2-guard coming off foot surgery") and were at least - at least - 80-20 against re-signing him last year ("why keep a washed-up 2-guard coming off foot surgery"). Even the ones that wanted the C's to re-sign him wanted him to have a reduced role, and be the Wally Pipp to Avery Bradley's Lou Gehrig. Then he leaves, and the fans who didn't give a crap if he came or went turn around and act jilted because they didn't get to be the ones to pull the plug.

Cs fans basically had a couple weeks of hot sex with Avery Bradley and got all into it, decided to shack up, and debated whether to keep Ray around for the occasional booty call. Now that the initial excitement has worn off, the sex with Bradley isn't nearly as good, and, to be honest, he often looks like kind of a skank. Meanwhile, the ex is doing great in a new relationship and doesn't miss a thing. Hard not to be bitter, I know.

I'm not sure that many celtics fans are talking about Ray Allen these days so your post, while clever with the whole girlfriend thing, is a little misguided. As I made pretty clear in my post, I have no problem with Ray chasing a ring. What I find annoying is this myth that Ray experienced anything different than what every other professional athlete experiences, or that he was somehow "disrespected" by the Celtics. Even your post - as inaccurate as it is in parts; I mean good christ talk about revisionist history - reeks of "they were so mean to poor little Ray!" Ray did what he had to do. The Celtics did what they had to do. Pretty much it.

 

[JaYnYcE]

The thread title is funny because jaynyce sucks.

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[61cygni]

...so after looking at the Jordan Crawford over and over and trying to read his lips, it seems clear something involving Melo's wife was said. what are you guys going with?

Something about multi-grain cheerios

 

[BoatShow]

No one on this board should be surprised by what Terrence Williams can do. Unfortunately.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Melo's wife called him out for being a bench warmer today.


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[Jerry1714]

Melo's wife called him out for being a bench warmer today.


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If this is serious the Knicks become a bigger joke by the minuet.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Because his wife stood up for herself?


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[Jerry1714]

She joins the ranks of the others associated with the team who have never accomplished anything but talk smack. And the fact she called him a bench warmer is moronic and not defending herself, defending herself would be to deny she got it from KG.

She didnt deny it at least, classy broad.

 

[JaYnYcE]

She joins the ranks of the others associated with the team who have never accomplished anything but talk smack. And the fact she called him a bench warmer is moronic and not defending herself, defending herself would be to deny she got it from KG.

She didnt deny it at least, classy broad.

Lol, you're reaching. She's the wife of a player on the team whose name was mentioned by some guy who probably doesn't even know her. I'm not going to get into what she's accomplished because frankly that's not the point. I'll leave the issue alone after this post because going any further is meaningless.

I just pray these guys end it tomorrow so KG retires and Pierce is playing in Detroit due to a trade of some sort.


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[Gurleyman]

I started visiting Celtics boards the minute the trade went down in 2007. Not many were happy when it happened (this was pre-KG, remember). At the time. PP was complaining about getting some help or wanting to be traded, and folks thought mortgaging the future for a declining Ray Allen was a foolish effort to try to keep Pierce happy (and maybe get the team just good enough to be a 5 or 6 seed for a couple years), and that the #5 pick should have been worth more. Then the KG move came back from the dead, and folks changed their tune - they were excited about a potential 3-year run, which went 5 (6 with KG+PP).

In between, they were great - most were supportive when he struggled against Cleveland, hoping he'd break out, which he did. But last year, most Celtics fans were in love with Avery Bradley, after they played well with him as a starter late in the regular season. Opinions moved into three categories: "Ray is washed up/sucks/useless and we shouldn't offer him a new deal", "I appreciate what Ray has done, but we need to move in another direction and if he's happy riding the bench and mentoring the young guys, he can stay." and "hold on, we could still use him as a shooter off the bench, or as Avery's back-up for offense/defense platoons in the fourth quarter." Very, very few thought he would come back in anything close to the same role he had, and frankly he is 37/38 and playing a young man's position so it isn't wrong to suggest his time had run its course (Miami hasn't started him either). I just stopped visiting Celtics boards largely because Ray supporters were dwindling in number and the ones who were against him were really, really against him.

Now that's just messageboard fans - an entirely separate issue from what the organization does. They had a right to shop him (frankly, getting Mayo would have been a great move for Boston, had it happened). But Ray's been traded 3 times already, so he's aware of the business side of things, and I think if he felt Boston was the best fit for him, he probably would have stayed (going to Miami was actually the first time since signing with UConn that he went somewhere on his own terms, for what that's worth). And then Terry was signed several days before Ray left - maybe the departure was already a done deal behind closed doors, but that was pretty much that. No, Terry was not brought in to be the back up point guard (a 6-8 mpg role with Rondo there). And that was also, frankly, a good move for Boston - they couldn't sit there and be happy with Rondo-Bradley with no proven backups and see what Ray did.

Personally, from the moment last year ended, I thought Boston wouldn't (and shouldn't) offer him a contract. He wasn't getting open any more in their offense and was becoming a liability. Just a guess, but I think if Boston could have guaranteed he ended up with the Clippers or Thunder, they wouldn't have offered him a deal - they just wanted to keep him from Miami (or maybe New York, if they got involved).

 

[mauconnfan]

The Celts made a run and you never know......one thing is defined in this series vs the Knicks, PP should retire gracefully.....the young Shumpert body on him makes him look very old. Shump overplays one side nearly everytim, his right and then beats him to his left if he tries. His only made shots have been well guarded (which he can still do on occasion but not like he used to) or open while trying to create with Shump in the lineup has been near to impossible. Hope he finds a way to help the C's win in Boston and maybe even NY but his impact on the game is over.....unless he can find a situation like Ray in Miami?

 

[Kitaman]

The thread title is funny because jaynyce sucks.

Interesting, care to elaborate or is this Boston/Knick fan banter? I see nothing in this thread to indicate that.

Or perhaps you know him personally and don't like him?

 

[UC990411]

Lol, you're reaching. She's the wife of a player on the team whose name was mentioned by some guy who probably doesn't even know her. I'm not going to get into what she's accomplished because frankly that's not the point. I'll leave the issue alone after this post because going any further is meaningless.

I just pray these guys end it tomorrow so KG retires and Pierce is playing in Detroit due to a trade of some sort.


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And we've reached the point where not only is he defending a bunch of classless thugs, he's also defending LaLa