Big Ten payout in '17/'18....$44.5M

[Dooley]

If I read this correctly, the B1G is ahead of the ACC $14m in TV revenue alone in a few years and quite possibly more if more B1G teams are getting into good bowls, NCAA tourney.

Would any of these ACC teams think of jumping ship for a $15m+ yearly bump?

If GOR is as air tight as we all seem to think it is, probably not. $51M exit fee, GOR and partial payment for 6 years for new members would mean that schools who jumped would have to wait a LONG time for the move to pay off. If the GOR isn't as sealed as we think, then yes.

I think the ACC's next best (and most logical) play is to tell ESPN to p1ss off and start their own TV network. Take a page right out of Delany's playbook by starting their own network and concentrate on adding schools who have presence in large markets. Hello UCONN.

 

[upstater]

If GOR is as air tight as we all seem to think it is, probably not. $51M exit fee, GOR and partial payment for 6 years for new members would mean that schools who jumped would have to wait a LONG time for the move to pay off. If the GOR isn't as sealed as we think, then yes.

I think the ACC's next best (and most logical) play is to tell ESPN to p1ss off and start their own TV network. Take a page right out of Delany's playbook by starting their own network and concentrate on adding schools who have presence in large markets. Hello UCONN.

Starting their own network is death to the ACC. Not enough big markets plus the BTN somehow got BTN working while showing reruns and 3rd tier non-sense. I doubt the ACC could do that in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania. They could do it in North Carolina but not in Georgia. Don't know if Virginians are willing to shell out $1 a month for that. Florida would be a tough call too.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I thought the consensus was that we should hold out in the American for a while(?).

The only good news about this is that it does set the market for media value, and the smart move would be to somehow get UConn out to bid without a bunch of deadweight attached to us. Or we could hang out in the AAC for the next 10 years.

At $44.5MM a year per school, the Big 10 is never adding another school. They are done.

 

[metsfan2323]

I'll take championships over money any day, as a fan I get to enjoy the championships and I won't be getting a cut of the money anyway.

Until cash payouts are distributed to prospective recruits (it will never happen) the money factor is overrated (from a fans perspective). I'm sure Minnesota made a small fortune this year, but they didn't have a parade. What the lack of TV funding really means is that CT taxpayers will have to support their state institution more than Minnesota taxpayers do because in Minnesota the athletic department profits can help support the academic side of the school.

CT Taxpayers should be pissed, which is why conference realignment is very much a political issue that should be at the doorstep of the Governor, any fan who thinks Warde Manual needs to lead our realignment campaign is nuts.

 

[Dooley]

I don't understand this "the B1G is done" sentiment. College athletics is about making money. Why would they decide that $45M/yr/school is the end game? That would be the equivalent of Ford saying "we are only going to sell cars in the U.S. now because we have enough money". The B1G is no different than any other money making entity: they will continue to grow their "business" if they feel that they can make more money.

 

[woomba]

This isn't just TV money - it's conference distributions, so that will include NCAA credits and Bowl/Playoff money.

What this doesn't include are the Tier 3 rights still owned by each school - there's still some TV inventory for non FB/BB game material (Coach shows, Olympic sports) that's not covered in BTN as well as radio, advertising, etc.

So what essentially this does comes down to is that the Big Ten is projecting ~$30-$35MM ish from the new TV deal once signed in a few years.

 

[Dooley]

I'll take championships over money any day, as a fan I get to enjoy the championships and I won't be getting a cut of the money anyway.

Until cash payouts are distributed to prospective recruits the money factor is overrated (from a fans perspective). I'm sure Minnesota made a small fortune this year, but they didn't have a parade. What the lack of TV funding really means is that CT taxpayers will have to support their state institution more than Minnesota taxpayers do because in Minnesota the athletic department profits can help support the academic side of the school.

I agree with you: championships bring me more happiness than revenue stories. But at some point we are going to have to step up and pay Kevin Ollie as the highest paid coach in college basketball and we can't do that making AAC peanuts.

 

[Dizzy21]

Random question regarding the upcoming revenue gap. If we have brand new football facilities, brand new basketball facilities, a new football stadium and a 25 year old campus hoops facility, and an XL Center with plans for an upgrade with state money, is it essentially the coaching staff and full cost of attendance where the money will be hard to compete?

We all know Diaco will be gone if he does well, but even before this huge gap that was likely.

With KO it's UConn or the NBA - which we couldn't compete with anyways.

I think we have more time to survive due to the facilities being built or near completion, but down the road.... well... hopefully were in a better position.

I wonder some of these questions myself. I do understand having 40mln would be nice, but where is our football team or basketball team going to lack because of not having the extra money. Our expenses on football are already close to top 20 in the country. http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2012-1?op=1 I get that we could pay coaches more and pay the athletes full tuition, however all of that would come to maybe a few million dollars a year max, which may well be covered in a slightly better AAC TV deal. Aside from that, and I honestly don't understand how other sports work, but UConn's other teams seem to be doing well and competing nationally with their budgets. I guess, and this is an honest question, but why would having an extra 40 mln make our athletics better compared to an extra few million that would pay for more football coach salary and full cost of player tuition?

 

[Seaa Blue]

At $44.5MM a year per school, the Big 10 is never adding another school. They are done.

One goal of BTN is to eventually become a player for Tier 1 content. That thought opens the door a bit for further expansion without diminishing returns. Well, it's an indication of what they're thinking anyway.

 

[Dooley]

Starting their own network is death to the ACC. Not enough big markets plus the BTN somehow got BTN working while showing reruns and 3rd tier non-sense. I doubt the ACC could do that in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania. They could do it in North Carolina but not in Georgia. Don't know if Virginians are willing to shell out $1 a month for that. Florida would be a tough call too.

Let's say that the ACC already had their own network, UCONN probably would have been added years ago because of markets. If they decided to re-run FSU and UCONN National Championship runs, it would get watched. Then again, Maryland surely wouldn't have bolted for greener pastures.

 

[kyleslamb]

I thought the consensus was that we should hold out in the American for a while(?).

The only good news about this is that it does set the market for media value, and the smart move would be to somehow get UConn out to bid without a bunch of deadweight attached to us. Or we could hang out in the AAC for the next 10 years.

At $44.5MM a year per school, the Big 10 is never adding another school. They are done.

Survey says: no.

The Big Ten has always planned on getting to 16-20 since they expanded to 14. They don't like scheduling for 14 teams and won't stay there. It might be five years before they take another step, but they're not done IMHO.

 

[itgoeslike]

The B1G would need to appreciate not only what UConn brings today, but more importantly, what it can be 6 years down the road.

 

[ASweet3781]

I can only hope those who have been the most hysterical and doomsday on conference realignment turn out to be as over the top wrong as they were about the UConn men's basketball team and it's coaching staff this year. Some of us remember what was said. Ollie couldn't beat veteran good coaches. The assistant coaches need a recruiter on staff because they can't recruit and are simply there because the assistant coaches at UConn has turned into a jobs program for former UConn players.

How did those bold proclamations turn out? If a little patience was shown you would have seen Ollie out coach the likes of John Calipari, Billy Donovan, and Tom Izzo en route to a National Title. And those empty suit assistant coaches whose only qualifications appear to be that they played at UConn have proven to be good recruiters and good coaches even in the face of sanctions.

Conference realignment is depressing and frustrating enough from our perspective. But overreacting hysterically to every piece of news and than pretending you have the slightest clue what will happen in the future has gotten old.

The Big Ten is going to make a ton of money? Wow, no kidding. Does it suck? Yes. Does it mean that the schools in the power 5 who suck in most every sport now and are making a lot of money are gonna get any better? No. Does it mean that 2 multi title winning programs coached by Geno Auriemma and Kevin Ollie are going to shrivel up and die? No. Do you have the slightest clue what the Big 10 and any other league will do in the future? No. Do you know where UConn will be in the future? No.

 

[itgoeslike]

Survey says: no.

The Big Ten has always planned on getting to 16-20 since they expanded to 14. They don't like scheduling for 14 teams and won't stay there. It might be five years before they take another step, but they're not done IMHO.

What's the value in waiting until after the TV deal is put to bed?

 

[metsfan2323]

I can only hope those who have been the most hysterical and doomsday on conference realignment turn out to be as over the top wrong as they were about the UConn men's basketball team and it's coaching staff this year. Some of us remember what was said. Ollie couldn't beat veteran good coaches. The assistant coaches need a recruiter on staff because they can't recruit and are simply there because the assistant coaches at UConn has turned into a jobs program for former UConn players.

How did those bold proclamations turn out? If a little patience was shown you would have seen Ollie out coach the likes of John Calipari, Billy Donovan, and Tom Izzo en route to a National Title. And those empty suit assistant coaches whose only qualifications appear to be that they played at UConn have proven to be good recruiters and good coaches even in the face of sanctions.

Conference realignment is depressing and frustrating enough from our perspective. But overreacting hysterically to every piece of news and than pretending you have the slightest clue what will happen in the future has gotten old.

The Big Ten is going to make a ton of money? Wow, no kidding. Does it suck? Yes. Does it mean that the schools in the power 5 who suck in most every sport now and are making a lot of money are gonna get any better? No. Does it mean that 2 multi title winning programs coached by Geno Auriemma and Kevin Ollie are going to shrivel up and die? No. Do you have the slightest clue what the Big 10 and any other league will do in the future? No. Do you know where UConn will be in the future? No.

Well said. There is a very active group of doomsdayers on this board who act like the money directly effects their ability to feed their kids. It's old and nauseating.

 

[kyleslamb]

What's the value in waiting until after the TV deal is put to bed?

I don't think there is much, and to be honest, that is the reason it's probably likely they do something within the next two years. But in the event the legal system and legal complications slow it down, there's an outside possibility it could drag beyond the 2016 negotiating window.

I do believe the Big Ten will have at least two more teams in place by 2016, though.

 

[ASweet3781]

Well said. There is a very active group of doomsdayers on this board who act like the money directly effects their ability to feed their kids. It's old and nauseating.

I used to be that way. There's no point to it. We don't control any of it. Whatever happens will happen. You can act hysterical and be miserable and it will change nothing. You can be a faux prophet too and pretend you know what's going to happen and look foolish. We got some people who have mastered that.

UConn has been on the outside looking in for a while now. And we are coming off our best year athletically in quite some time.

 

[itgoeslike]

I don't think there is much, and to be honest, that is the reason it's probably likely they do something within the next two years. But in the event the legal system and legal complications slow it down, there's an outside possibility it could drag beyond the 2016 negotiating window.

I do believe the Big Ten will have at least two more teams in place by 2016, though.

I happen to agree. If the B1G can expand to 16 on their terms prior to the TV deal they will. I don't know if UConn is one of the moving parts, but it would be great it was. The impending subdivision could be a drag or a potential catalyst depending upon how it unfolds.

 

[Fishy]

Anyone disturbed by reality should just bail on this thread.

It's not for you.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

You think Va might be wavering.

Huh?

 

[noeynox]

I agree with you: championships bring me more happiness than revenue stories. But at some point we are going to have to step up and pay Kevin Ollie as the highest paid coach in college basketball and we can't do that making AAC peanuts.

I don't know if folks simply don't grasp the cause and effect of what it is going on. Thinking we are going to be able to pay top coaches, pay for facilities etc. Parades are nice for us fans, but ten years down the line, RU will be able to offer the likes of Ollie and Diaco, dollar amounts we just won't be able to match.

 

[bobbyinaz]

This isn't just TV money - it's conference distributions, so that will include NCAA credits and Bowl/Playoff money.

What this doesn't include are the Tier 3 rights still owned by each school - there's still some TV inventory for non FB/BB game material (Coach shows, Olympic sports) that's not covered in BTN as well as radio, advertising, etc.

So what essentially this does comes down to is that the Big Ten is projecting ~$30-$35MM ish from the new TV deal once signed in a few years.

The B1G schools don't own any Tier 3 rights. They give them all to the B1G which is shown on the BTN

 

[kyleslamb]

The B1G schools don't own any Tier 3 rights. They give them all to the B1G which is shown on the BTN

Technically speaking, his point is correct in that they do retain rights to coaches' shows and other forms of media, which are still loosely considered tier-3 rights. But you're also correct that all live inventory by way of sporting events are retained by the network.

 

[metsfan2323]

Anyone disturbed by reality should just bail on this thread.

It's not for you.

Reality?

Here's reality, just yesterday Ryan Boatright announced he was coming back for his senior year which means we will have an outstanding men's basketball team next year defending its 4th title.

More Reality? The UCONN women will likely win another championship next year.

More Reality? We play BYU on national TV in 4 months and the Rent will be sold out and loud.

Some people just can't deal with success. Sports should be a feel good hobby not a feel bad hobby.

In reality Rutgers football will need luck to win 3 games next year.

 

[SixRings]

The CR situation is too dynamic and I am too much of an optimist to think UConn will fade away due to their current situation. Just this Big Ten payoff could cause other conferences to make strategic moves, the p5 stipends could cause some schools to bail out, a P5 conference can find and justify the value (TV sets) in such a successful university as UConn.
Additionally, if SH and WM jump ship thats a huge indicator of this bleak outlook. However, we see the opposite. Yes, they are doing everything they can to put UConn into a position for success because they have sort of inherited this condition. But they are forging ahead, without a hint of waver. Why? They must believe it is more than possible and is likely probable.
No. Not for a second do I fall for this.

 

[UConnDan97]

Lost in all of this conference realignment (I'm guilty of it too) is the fact that the state of Connecticut has really supported this university. I mean, REALLY supported it. Over the last 20 years, they have approved money on the order of billions to the university. Not millions. BILLIONS. Let's not forget that we seem to have a population that is relatively supportive of State U, and even though an extra 20 million per year would certainly help us nicely, we aren't going gently into that good night...

 

[woomba]

Technically speaking, his point is correct in that they do retain rights to coaches' shows and other forms of media, which are still loosely considered tier-3 rights. But you're also correct that all live inventory by way of sporting events are retained by the network.

Not all live inventory either - a fair amount of Olympic event inventory are retained by the schools as well. Basically BTN gets first pick of of the live Tier 3 inventory and whatever that isn't picked up is retained by the schools.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't think UConn's cause is lost, unless we wait and do nothing.

 

[Adios]

I don't think UConn's cause is lost, unless we wait and do nothing.

STFU and go independent.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

When I have been wrong about realignment, it was because I was too optimistic about UConn's chances. I hope that is still not the case with my belief that UConn can still save itself if it does something creative.

One area I was wrong about is paying players. I thought schools like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Duke and Stanford would want no part of that, yet so far there has not been a peep from any of them on the subject. Maybe there is a line they won't cross, but they are not near that line yet.