Big Ten payout in '17/'18....$44.5M

[Fishy]

Maybe in terms of alumni etc. I bet out of state FSU is more well known and sells more shirts. I can't even remember seeing a Gator shirt not Tebow related on a casual fan.

Again, no.

UF is a far larger brand.

There's a reason why the SEC declined FSU last year.

 

[kyleslamb]

Walk me through this. So Iowa plays Northern Iowa, Hawkeyes owns the rights to this game? But ESPN can choose to pick it up or (likely) pass it on to the BTN?

Now replace that game with Iowa vs Maryland. The game proceeds directly to the BTN? Hence it's "additional?"

Each league is probably slightly different, but yeah generally speaking the non-conference games are separately negotiated. They're still paid out as part of the conference distribution with the rest of the media rights, but they're usually an add-on to the entire package. It should be noted that this isn't always the case as the Big 12's most recent contract stipulated that all home games are part of the package, excluding at least one game for each institution that are retained for the school's own media rights.

Ultimately it results in the same: the network having first refusal rights to air the league inventory, but in a lot of cases, the non-conference games aren't included in the main value of the contract, at least that's how it was as of a few years ago. These new wave of deals may be written differently.

 

[kyleslamb]

Schools use many different ways to count attendance. Some count tickets sold, some weigh tickets in buckets, others use the turnstile, still others guesstimate like they do with parades, etc.

When you see a school give attendance that drops below season tickets sold, then you know they are not going by tickets sold.

Yeah there is a lot of wiggle room with attendance since they're allowed to do it based on tickets sold, turnstile or estimates.

The dirty secret is that schools can distribute tickets around campus for free, and still count that in attendance figures if they elect to do so, even though the tickets weren't actually "sold."

 

[btstimpy]

UConn was losing games to Providence while it was winning BE and national championships. Makes me wonder if you'd be on here crowing about PCs great program relative to UConn.

I don't know UConn's history with Providence, but Florida is 4-12 for the last 16 games played against Miami. That is butt kicking by the Hurricanes.

 

[whaler11]

I don't know UConn's history with Providence, but Florida is 4-12 for the last 16 games played against Miami. That is butt kicking by the Hurricanes.

BUT WHO LEADS IN DA DIRECTORZ CUPP?

GATORZ ROOL

 

[btstimpy]

One of my kids went to school in Miami so I ended up going to a number of games at Sun Life Stadium over 4 years. You are right in that Miami is certainly not on the level of UF or FSU with regard to fan attendance. Still, for all the games I saw, the stadium was at least half filled....and usually a bit more. Since the stadium holds 75,540, I would estimate that they typically got around 40K or a bit more based on my observations. As I said, not at the UF or FSU level; but, again - as you infer - neither BC nor Uconn fans should be ridiculing them given our own recent fan attendance issues. This is my limited point.

Miami fans are fickle. If they are winning national championships or ranked in the Top 5, they'll fill the stadium. When Ken Dorsey's teams were going to the national championship, they had no problem selling out the Orange Bowl. When they aren't winning, they have issues selling tickets.

It's the same in basketball. When I was in Miami, the basketball team was bad. I went to games there, and felt sorry for the Miami team. The probably had less than 1000 people there. When Jim Larranaga had them winning the ACC, they sold out the place and had to bring in extra seats so that Lebron James could have a seat.

 

[btstimpy]

BUT WHO LEADS IN DA DIRECTORZ CUPP?

GATORZ ROOL

Florida has a great athletic department, no doubt. So does Georgia and Kentucky. After that, the SEC drops off.

 

[BC1978]

Miami fans are fickle. If they are winning national championships or ranked in the Top 5, they'll fill the stadium. When Ken Dorsey's teams were going to the national championship, they had no problem selling out the Orange Bowl. When they aren't winning, they have issues selling tickets.

It's the same in basketball. When I was in Miami, the basketball team was bad. I went to games there, and felt sorry for the Miami team. The probably had less than 1000 people there. When Jim Larranaga had them winning the ACC, they sold out the place and had to bring in extra seats so that Lebron James could have a seat.

I can understand this. On a hot September Saturday, with world class beaches nearby, a lot of folks will probably take a pass on the game unless the team is good and/or the game is compelling. Still, the games I attended, they had pretty good crowds.

 

[Fishy]

I can understand this. On a hot September Saturday, with world class beaches nearby, a lot of folks will probably take a pass on the game unless the team is good and/or the game is compelling. Still, the games I attended, they had pretty good crowds.

Miami has a northeastern problem - like New York or Boston, it's simply a pro town.

They can announce 65,000 for someone like Wake, but they're putting maybe 45,000 in the seats. It's just a relatively small school in a town devoted to the Dolphins.

As for basketball, they've never done well - if they average 5,000 per home game, they've had one of their better years. They can't consistently sell out an arena that seats less than 8K.

 

[uconndogs]

One thing the "U" has that most programs don't is an absolute and total ability to create scandal. Guns, hookers, boosters on flights with the team telling the compliance officer to duckk-off. Few places do it any better......

 

[BC1978]

Miami has a northeastern problem - like New York or Boston, it's simply a pro town.

They can announce 65,000 for someone like Wake, but they're putting maybe 45,000 in the seats. It's just a relatively small school in a town devoted to the Dolphins.

As for basketball, they've never done well - if they average 5,000 per home game, they've had one of their better years. They can't consistently sell out an arena that seats less than 8K.

Fishy, I agree with this. The 45,000 you refer to does seem to be the approximate size of the crowds I saw when I attended the games. Still, for a pro-town with LOTS of distractions, 45,000 is not that bad, IMO.

 

[Fishy]

Fishy, I agree with this. The 45,000 you refer to does seem to be the approximate size of the crowds I saw when I attended the games. Still, for a pro-town with LOTS of distractions, 45,000 is not that bad, IMO.

The basketball attendance has always been shameful - even back in '99 or so when they were legit top-ten team in the Big East, they still struggled to hit 6,000 a night unless one of the northeastern schools brought its snowbirds out for a game. There simply may just not be a market for their hoop program.

But I agree on football - given their size, the Dolphins and that they're not a large public, 45,000 is not bad. I'm sure people see 95,000 at a UF game and wonder why Miami isn't doing better, but that's not a fair comparison.

 

[kyleslamb]

This is how Sun Life Stadium looked just before kickoff of Miami's 2012 game against Bethune-Cookman:

Miami, by the way, announced this game as an attendance of 39,435.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322592390

 

[Fishy]

This is how Sun Life Stadium looked just before kickoff of Miami's 2012 game against Bethune-Cookman:

The board's ACC mafia will now descend on you.

 

[Ldandy]

Every other Corn College is in the league now. Why discriminate? And look at North Dakota State. All that oil will propel them further, and they are a perfect rival for Minnesota. They've been winning the FCS football championship every year lately. They probably play hockey too.

Well NDSU has accomplished more as a football team than UVA ever has, so maybe you have something there. That said I would rather The Cavs join The B1G someday just for the gut wrenching discomfort it will cause you.

 

[Hoophound]

Nobody goes to Miami games. In regard to UF and FSU, the Gators have at least 4 times as many fans in Florida. It may not even be that close.

 

[kyleslamb]

The board's ACC mafia will now descend on you.

Should I go into witness protection or stand and fight?

 

[clmssun]

This is how Sun Life Stadium looked just before kickoff of Miami's 2012 game against Bethune-Cookman:

Miami, by the way, announced this game as an attendance of 39,435.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322592390

Your point regarding "announced attendance versus actual attendance" is quite valid. Posting a picture of a game versus B-CU as representative of typical Miami attendance is absurd. All of the Miami attendance issues discussed here are well-documented and long-standing.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Your point regarding "announced attendance versus actual attendance" is quite valid. Posting a picture of a game versus B-CU as representative of typical Miami attendance is absurd. All of the Miami attendance issues discussed here are well-documented and long-standing.

I believe he was actually attempting to show how attendance exceeded expectations for the B-CU game at Miami. B-CU obviously travels well.

 

[itgoeslike]

This is how Sun Life Stadium looked just before kickoff of Miami's 2012 game against Bethune-Cookman:

Miami, by the way, announced this game as an attendance of 39,435.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322592390

It was an "orange-out". It just doesn't translate at 72 pixels. . .

 

[kyleslamb]

Your point regarding "announced attendance versus actual attendance" is quite valid. Posting a picture of a game versus B-CU as representative of typical Miami attendance is absurd. All of the Miami attendance issues discussed here are well-documented and long-standing.

I'm having a hard time with this reply because I don't recall saying or implying it was representative of a 'typical' Miami game. But regardless of whether it's 'typical,' anyone should be flat embarrassed by that.

The last two seasons, they reported attendance averages of 53,000 and 47,000 to the NCAA. Since we've established, they're clearly using 'tickets sold' (read: distributed) as their reporting method, then how many people are they actually drawing? I've seen a lot of Miami games over the years, and I know while that picture is more extreme than usual, it's not uncommon to see the stadium half-empty. The reality is that they are not drawing anywhere near the reported figures.

Like I said, I never said that picture is typical of a Miami crowd, but let's not kid ourselves here... the typical Miami crowd isn't very impressive.

 

[itgoeslike]

Actually, Miami has some hard-core fans made up of local alum and local fans that never went. The problem is that the student body doesn't always make the trip up 95 to Sun Life Stadium. In fact, many alum that live in the vicinity of the University won't make the trip. It would be a different story if the stadium was on campus, but it's highly unlikely that would ever happen.

 

[Seaa Blue]

It was an "organge-out". It just doesn't translate at 72 pixels. . .

The card-stunt section was phenomenal, even at 72 pixels. (and was the orGANG pun intended? )

 

[itgoeslike]

The card-stunt section was phenomenal, even at 72 pixels. (and was the orGANG pun intended? )

I wish. No it had more to do with being too lazy to get my reading glasses (coupled with a Russian Standard vodka martini on the rocks). . .

 

[NotreDameJoe]

UF also has the benefit of having a longer history as Florida's land-grant university, whereas FSU began accepting males again in the late 1940s and starting its growth as a major university in the 1950's. FSU is clearly a national brand, but the relationship between FSU and UF is sort of like Michigan State (which is a national brand) and Michigan, at least from where I'm sitting.

I don't see it. MSU is the little brother and always will be. When I was in Michigan you knew anyone wearing a Spartan shirt actually went to school there whereas a skunkbear was 50:50 to be the 'Walmart Wolverine.'

'National brand' connotes that people jump on the band wagon with no affiliation to the school. There are only a few in football, perhaps UCONN is one in bball.

 

[Seaa Blue]

I don't see it. MSU is the little brother and always will be. When I was in Michigan you knew anyone wearing a Spartan shirt actually went to school there whereas a skunkbear was 50:50 to be the 'Walmart Wolverine.'

'National brand' connotes that people jump on the band wagon with no affiliation to the school. There are only a few in football, perhaps UCONN is one in bball.

In his own very unique way, Joe is right. Michigan is one of the very few intergalactic brands (like Walmart), far outpacing MSU.

 

[itgoeslike]

I don't see it. MSU is the little brother and always will be. When I was in Michigan you knew anyone wearing a Spartan shirt actually went to school there whereas a skunkbear was 50:50 to be the 'Walmart Wolverine.'

'National brand' connotes that people jump on the band wagon with no affiliation to the school. There are only a few in football, perhaps UCONN is one in bball.

I was trying to imply that Michigan State and FSU were both "little brothers".

"SkunkBear", "MeatChicken". . .it's obvious that Notre Dame fans are completely infatuated with Michigan. A rivalry like this is wasted on internet boards. You should just get a room and join the conference. UConn will be your 16th and best man at the ceremony.

 

[UConn990411]

Is there a dumber collection of human beings on the planet than ACC fans?

 

[itgoeslike]

In his own very unique way, Joe is right. Michigan is one of the very few intergalactic brands (like Walmart), far outpacing MSU.

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Is that the MTV logo (still don't have my glasses on). . .

 

[whaler11]

Do you guys have such low self esteem and little self worth that your entire identity is built around the perception of a school you might have gone to?

Seriously if you went to Michigan that doesn't make you better than someone who went to Michigan State no matter how many times you post it on message boards.

That you waste so much of your valuable time debating the academic value of athletic conferences where the actual 'student-athletes' are mostly admitted on their ability to play sports is pretty hilarous if you think about it.

Ooooh we are the Big 10 - you have to be a reseach university for your basketball players to play against our basketball players - even though even at frigging Northwestern the coaches tell you not to waste valuable time on a roadtrip actually studying.

Virginia can't hold their nose to play a school in football that isn't in the top 50 in some bogus ranking - but North Carolina's teams are made up of functional illiterates.

Yet half the threads on this board devolve into academic pi**ing matches between people who if they were really as high minded as they would have you believe should really have better things to do.