Big Ten, parents, players, revolt.

[formerlurker]

I agree, the new President panicked and did not distinguished himself with this decision. No student input.

UNC students outraged after quick shift to virtual learning

Student leaders say they told administrators that remote learning was the "best and only option,” but the university decided to reopen campus anyway.

news.yahoo.com

Think the UNC President is wishing he had listened to his students? The same young people you pretend to be so in tune with. Clown.

 

[uconnbill]

There should be no football until a vaccine. People just need to suck it up. If I'm a high draft pick, there's no way I'd risk it - see Eduardo Rodriquez as your first exhibit.

are you nuts? So many viruses we don't have vaccines for and there is no waiting for one.

How many young people are asymptomatic?

 

[cohenzone]

It’s wrong for the higher ups to be making decisions for these athletes. The word “player safety” is nothing more then a shield in order to go on a power trip. This has 100 percent to do with politics.

Says the guy who doesn’t have to make the call.

 

[cohenzone]

Group of Nebraska parents demand answers from Big Ten, threaten lawsuit after canceled season

A small group of Nebraska parents have threatened to sue the Big Ten over its decision to cancel the season amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

sports.yahoo.com

>>The group wants to know why Warren and the conference released a modified fall schedule, then reversed course less than a week later and canceled the season.

They’ve also demanded “all documents relating to all ‘votes’ regarding whether to cancel, postpone or delay fall sports,” and what “scientific data and other medical information” was used when making the decision.

The parents have threatened to file a lawsuit if their demands aren’t met by Monday.<<

I'd love to see the lawsuit they file. Plus, I'd imagine they, the B1G, have some pretty solid science they can share or defend with.

How much you wanna bet that even if the B1G provides all of this, they'll still file a lawsuit anyway?

I find it interesting that the Pac 12 schools don't seem to have any major issues with the conferences decision to pull the plug....

Some parents cant get enough of just watching their kids get concussions. Can’t take their vicarious joy away because of some stupid virus the kids might have and spread to who knows who, cuz, hey, nobody ever caught a broken arm from junior.

 

[huskymedic]

You miss the point - how many of the decision makers were students? You can get a desired result using surveys by what questions are asked and how they are worded.

There was no point missed... you stated above that there was “no student input” - that point has been proven to be incorrect.

You want to move the goal post to the Administration made the final decision and not the students - no argument there but student input and suggestions were heard and incorporated in the the reopening plan.

 

[cohenzone]

There was no point missed... you stated above that there was “no student input” - that point has been proven to be incorrect.

You want to move the goal post to the Administration made the final decision and not the students - no argument there but student input and suggestions were heard and incorporated in the the reopening plan.

There are many things Chief00 would rather not see because the narrative is the main thing. One hopes that the six players reported testing positive yesterday haven’t been to visit home recently.

 

[BlueDogs]

There was no point missed... you stated above that there was “no student input” - that point has been proven to be incorrect.

You want to move the goal post to the Administration made the final decision and not the students - no argument there but student input and suggestions were heard and incorporated in the the reopening plan.

The athletes wanted to play and were arm twisted by the Admin. Whose kidding who. #wewanttoplay is the players publicly voicing their opinions. Somehow our kids are different? I don’t think so. UConn has the luxury of being unaccountable to anybody as an independent, and was so excited to show its progressive leadership it ended up looking like chicken little. Most here will never admit this was a colossal mistake and many are hoping the ACC, SEC and B12 fail, which is really pathetic.

 

[Waquoit]

UConn has the luxury of being unaccountable to anybody as an independent, and was so excited to show its progressive leadership it ended up looking like chicken little. Most here will never admit this was a colossal mistake and many are hoping the ACC, SEC and B12 fail, which is really pathetic.

This post is pathetic. You have no accountability.

 

[Scoe]

I guess it’s the cool thing to believe everything you here from the news, if you disagree with any of it well your insensitive, let’s just keep saluting.

 

[Adios]

People are dying around the world, planning against us, and we're worried about a football season.

Give them McDonald's, give them college football.

 

[Adios]

The athletes wanted to play and were arm twisted by the Admin. Whose kidding who. #wewanttoplay is the players publicly voicing their opinions. Somehow our kids are different? I don’t think so. UConn has the luxury of being unaccountable to anybody as an independent, and was so excited to show its progressive leadership it ended up looking like chicken little. Most here will never admit this was a colossal mistake and many are hoping the ACC, SEC and B12 fail, which is really pathetic.

To sustain the comfort levels we live, we'll be considered heros. So will the Big Ten. This country is acting Stone Age, as it is. Unga bunga, I no wear mask!

They were having sneezing contests at Sturgis. People cough up their germs at COVID parties. You prioritize football over widespread ignorance?

 

[Adios]

9 of the top 25 teams aren't playing. This season will be considered incomplete, no matter what. Especially with Ohio State ranked #2 in the preseason poll.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I agree. Question everything.

Yes, question and obtain more info. Were the 3 NFL teams' false +s absolutely confirmed to be due to faulty tests, faulty handling, or hybrid causes? For example, ABT test kits some media source initially identified as faulty. Upon further review, their widely publicized bad results turned out to be primarily caused by human error and/or mishandling. Citing a Russian proverb President Reagan borrowed, "Trust but verify".

As shared previously, all diagnostic and anti-body tests are not created equally. Acknowledging further validation of both positive and negative false results would be ideal, the US needs 1. MANY more rapid tests (<1/2 hour results turnaround, not a day or more with potential infected people roving about), and 2. Rapid tests with 100% validated sensitivity and specificity, i.e., higher and at least as quick as Yale's recently touted NBA tests. Although such enhanced rapid test manufacturers/suppliers exist, they reportedly may face big pharma opposition while awaiting FDA and/or similar EU CE clearance.

Obviously, not expecting answers metsfan2323; just sharing reasonable thoughts for consideration by similarly relatively rational people

 

[Chin Diesel]

9 of the top 25 teams aren't playing. This season will be considered incomplete, no matter what. Especially with Ohio State ranked #2 in the preseason poll.

Ohio St has shown being ranked #2 in the third week of December doesn't mean they are competitive come January.

 

[Adios]

Big 12 commissioner: If there's no fall football there likely won't be sports this academic year

Question marks can be found at every corner across the college football landscape right now as three Power Five conferences--the SEC, ACC and Big 12--prepare to play football this fall. Even in Big Ten and Pac-12 country there is much uncertainty about whether their…

badgerswire.usatoday.com

No football at all = no collegiate sports for the whole academic year?

 

[Adios]

Ohio St has shown being ranked #2 in the third week of December doesn't mean they are competitive come January.

Some Ohio State fans want to go independent because they feel they've carried the Big Ten for decades.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Some Ohio State fans want to go independent because they feel they've carried the Big Ten for decades.

They could go independent if they wanted to do it. Only thing they need is an annual game against UM.

 

[kingdobbs]

Ohio St has shown being ranked #2 in the third week of December doesn't mean they are competitive come January.

But in that situation, they will still end up demonstrating their failure on the field.

Butch’s point is that it’s still unproven whether they would have crumpled in the playoffs, even when history suggests they would have.

 

[metsfan2323]

Upon further review, their widely publicized bad results turned out to be primarily caused by human error and/or mishandling.

"primarily caused by human error/or mishandling"

translation:

We have no idea how the tests got contaminated so please accept this as the answer.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

"primarily caused by human error/or mishandling" translation: We have no idea how the tests got contaminated so please accept this as the answer.

No doubt, ABT's not perfect. It's also not a Tom, Dick & Harry's fly-by-night operation like some upstart test kit shysters. In March, ABT and the FDA identified process and communication issues contributing to testing material being impacted by temperature, the jam-a-swab up nasal cavity process not being clear enough, etc.

ABT reportedly cleaned up initial operational or communication issues and their kits' accuracy is quite high, BUT results-turnaround remains far from rapid. Perfect or not, while likely helping a large number of Americans the ABT test kits also contributed to hitting a 52 week today. Could be worse, like the Russkies' inadequately-tested vaccine.

 

[Irishfan]

They could go independent if they wanted to do it. Only thing they need is an annual game against UM.

I thought the Big Ten was playing a conference only schedule. I doubt the Big Ten would approve an Ohio State/ Michigan game. Why benefit a team that is leaving your conference. Let them play Ohio and Cincinnati.

 

[Adios]

The Big Ten made Ohio State. Football program is worth 1.5 billion? What the heck.

Whatever the deal, no way OSU leaves the Big Ten.

 

[Chief00]

There was no point missed... you stated above that there was “no student input” - that point has been proven to be incorrect.

You want to move the goal post to the Administration made the final decision and not the students - no argument there but student input and suggestions were heard and incorporated in the the reopening plan.

You realize how a survey is designed will yield the response you want. It’s done in corporate America every day.
As I stated, calling PowerPoint decks “online classes” in the survey questions drives such ridiculous results. You need to get out more, like Chief does, and experience the ways of the World.

 

[BlueDogs]

This post is pathetic. You have no accountability.

Profound response. I’m shattered.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I’ve only been able to tolerate the first page or so of this thread. I can’t believe people are arguing as if the presidents of these universities want to not play football. Like they’re just dying to tank their school budgets.

 

[zls44]

I’ve only been able to tolerate the first page or so of this thread. I can’t believe people are arguing as if the presidents of these universities want to not play football. Like they’re just dying to tank their school budgets.

No, they actually love torpedoing $75m from their budget just on a whim!

 

[Rocktheworld]

No, they actually love torpedoing $75m from their budget just on a whim!

“Politics” was great

 

[huskymedic]

You realize how a survey is designed will yield the response you want. It’s done in corporate America every day.

As I stated, calling PowerPoint decks “online classes” in the survey questions drives such ridiculous results. You need to get out more, like Chief does, and experience the ways of the World.

You really should have just taken the L on your “no student input” comment and moved on...

... but since you seem to want to try to impress people while convincing them it was all about a simple biased “survey design” you may be interested in how they went about the process. I mean a man of your worldly ways should always look to broaden his horizons.

>>InCHIP mobilized quickly after the close of the spring semester to form a 19-member Social and Behavioral Sciences COVID-19 Workgroup comprised of faculty, administrators, staff, and student representatives. The group was charged with leveraging its members’ collective expertise to inform discussions with UConn’s leadership about how to design a safe campus reopening.<<

>>Subgroups took on different tasks, all using applied behavioral science methods to gather data and formulate recommendations that were then shared with the University’s administration. They focused a lot of their efforts on community engagement – with particular attention to undergraduate students, conducting a Thoughtexchange crowdsourcing survey with 2,703 undergrads to assess their hopes, ideas, and questions about the fall semester.<<

>>The working group also conducted a virtual Ideas Lab– a five-week workshop that called on the collective expertise of 110 staff, faculty, undergraduate and graduate students to adopt, adapt, and create solutions that might work for UConn. Suggestions for solutions as varied as practical foot-activated door openers and signage to reimagined social connections and a public health communication campaign were the product of that effort.

The working group later conducted a series of focus groups with students to get their perspective on some of the announced reopening plans and also developed a series of resources to help instructors identify students who might be struggling and to help students and other members of the UConn community connect with physical and mental wellness resources available to them.<<

Again - “no student input” -> debunked.

 

[jdb50]

Watching "Hard Knocks" on HBO on demand. Testing players with a nasal opening swab at camp. If covid is spread by droplets and masks and shields can help stop it then they need to develop an exhale test into a machine that gives immediate results. It would be a mouth exhale or a nasal exhale. All these slow swab tests are holding the country up on figuring out how to proceed.

 

[Stinger92860]

are you nuts? So many viruses we don't have vaccines for and there is no waiting for one.

How many young people are asymptomatic?

hopefully all of them so we can gain herd immunity