Big East v. Power 5 Challenge

[nomdoux]

Top 25 players? Maddy is a little higher than that.


POINTS PER GAME
Through games March 3, 2022

RANK	NAME	TEAM	PPG
1	Caitlin Clark	Iowa	27.5
2	Maddy Siegrist	Villanova	26.5
3	Jasmine Dickey	Delaware	25.1
4	Dyaisha Fair	Buffalo	23.9
5	Cierra Hooks	Ohio	23.0
6	Ayoka Lee	Kansas St.	22.7
7	Jordyn Dawson	Akron	22.3
8	Makenna Marisa	Penn St.	22.2
9	NaLyssa Smith	Baylor	21.8
10	Jennifer Coleman	Navy	21.6

Fair point, HN, which heightens my sympathy re: Villanova favorable NCAA Tournament consideration.

I wrote that a few weeks ago & made a conservative off-hand estimate without analyzing numbers. Having said that, overall player caliber not confined nor defined only by scoring, of course.

Geno labeled Maddy Siegrist one of the 10 best UConn has played this season in his PG presser last night.

 

[npignatjr]

I agree that there is no anti-Big East bias, but still, how many of the above losses and close wins were when Villanova was without Maddy Siegrist? I believe I've read that prior to last night, they had only two losses while Siegrist was playing.

And, as has been noted, the Selection Committee has the ability and authority to consider availability of key players when evaluating a team's "resume".

Financial considerations might matter as to bias, ESPN owns the SEC, ACC and the Big 10 networks.

 

[HuskyNan]

Only if we say no way to both BC and the cuse

What about VA Tech and Miami?

 

[Vowelguy]

Financial considerations might matter as to bias, ESPN owns the SEC, ACC and the Big 10 networks.

ESPN does not own the big 10 network. It is owned by Fox and the Big10.

So all that so-called pro-Big10 coverage you’ve seen on ESPN may have been — perish the thought — actual analyst opinion?

 

[mbr33ct]

But what's in it for the P5?

Exposure on FS2...if a better match up FS1 might get involved.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

The top of the Big East isn't bad. Many of the current BE teams were in the old BE - and Creighton, in particular, was successful in where-ever it was before BE, as was Marquette. Successful for "mid-majors".

Seton Hall, Georgetown, St. John's, and Providence were long time oBE members, who every once in a while would have a star and inch into the tourney - they were never a threat for a deep advance so far as I remember. None of them have recaptured their old glory.

As has been noted in several of these threads centering around conference bids, these schools are not spending the money on their WBB program, they aren't going to now, and they are going to struggle to attract these star recruits.

 

[Zanzman]

What about VA Tech and Miami?

Think Bc and Cuse had bigger part of keeping UC on out off the AcC

 

[LoboDays]

Are we suggesting that schools with successful football programs move to the Big East?

Are we thinking that a P5 conference would want to have a tourney against the BE on the women’s side? I grow befuddled.

We need to return to the real world. The move to the Big East was probably a good decision for everyone except the UCONN Women’s basketball team. They are stuck with inferior competition and this isn’t going to change. In fact, UCONNs (womens) presence in the BE is not a plus (as some seem to think) for other BE schools to recruit better talent. It’s actually a negative. What’s the coaches pitch to a recruit? “ come to our school. UCONN will win the regular season and the conference playoffs so our chances to get to the BIG DANCE is slim to none. But, our uniforms are pretty”.

If you are in a P5 conference and win the regular season AND conference playoffs, you are a number 1 seed. UCONN just did that and we are hoping they are a 2 seed and not a 3 seed. Why? They are in the BIG EAST. Neither that or the level of competition is going to change anytime soon.

 

[Skeets]

UConn's move to the BE was a big fish going to a conference of mostly small schools with small on campus facilities centered around areas of the country losing population.

Storrs can't lose any population because it would then need to be renamed "Storr".

 

[LETTERL]

Patience. With the greatest program in WCBB history back in the BE interest will grow. Girls around the country gonna wanna be part of it. Football be damned. P.S.- I dream of the day when Syracuse and Boston College humbly ask for readmittance.

You have my permission to take both of these teams back.

 

[Cornell Lt]

You have my permission to take both of these teams back.

Football killed the Big East, no turning back now

 

[undersized]

If you are in a P5 conference and win the regular season AND conference playoffs, you are a number 1 seed. UCONN just did that and we are hoping they are a 2 seed and not a 3 seed. Why? They are in the BIG EAST. Neither that or the level of competition is going to change anytime soon.

Please tell that to the committee regarding Iowa this year, or Baylor last year. Oh wait, you're just making stuff up with no evidence!

 

[npignatjr]

ESPN does not own the big 10 network. It is owned by Fox and the Big10.

So all that so-called pro-Big10 coverage you’ve seen on ESPN may have been — perish the thought — actual analyst opinion?

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[CB360]

Latest Bracketology shows Villanova the last team in!! Yea!!!! B.E.!!!!

 

[Vowelguy]

Big Ten Network. American sports network based in Chicago, Illinois. Wikipedia. American digital cable and satellite sports television channel that is owned by ESPN Inc., a joint venture between the Disney Media Networks division of The Walt Disney Company and the Hearst Communications (which owns the remaining 20

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Reading is fundamental.

The Disney part refers to ESPNU.
Click on the Wikipedia link under BTN.

 

[Plebe]

If you are in a P5 conference and win the regular season AND conference playoffs, you are a number 1 seed. UCONN just did that and we are hoping they are a 2 seed and not a 3 seed. Why? They are in the BIG EAST. Neither that or the level of competition is going to change anytime soon.

Then how did UConn get a #1 seed last year? Were they in a different conference?

UConn's resume just isn't 1 seed caliber this year. It's not because of our conference; it's because of how we played.

 

[LoboDays]

Then how did UConn get a #1 seed last year? Were they in a different conference?

UConn's resume just isn't 1 seed caliber this year. It's not because of our conference; it's because of how we played.

I agree with your last sentence. My point is - if we run the table or lose one OOC game, we are a #1 seed and it will stay that way. However, if we lose some OOC games and fall out of #1 seed territory, it’s impossible to play ourselves back to a #1 seed even if we win the regular season and win the conference playoffs as we see this year. Because we get little or no credit for winning the BE but penalized if we lose just one game in the BE. Being in the BE ( on the Women’s side) means the entire season -seeding wise- fully depends on the results of the OOC schedule. Unlike the P5 conferences.

 

[cancontent]

Big Ten Network. American sports network based in Chicago, Illinois. Wikipedia. American digital cable and satellite sports television channel that is owned by ESPN Inc., a joint venture between the Disney Media Networks division of The Walt Disney Company and the Hearst Communications (which owns the remaining 20

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This is incorrect. Where did you get this link?

1) BIG 10 games are also broadcasted on Fox Sport channels and you can stream them via the FoxSports app.
2) If they were owned by ESPN, BIG 10 games would be accessible via ESPN+ and they're not.
3) They also wouldn't have the BIG10+ app on its own which is another streaming service option.

Big Ten Network - Wikipedia

 

[Plebe]

I agree with your last sentence. My point is - if we run the table or lose one OOC game, we are a #1 seed and it will stay that way. However, if we lose some OOC games and fall out of #1 seed territory, it’s impossible to play ourselves back to a #1 seed even if we win the regular season and win the conference playoffs as we see this year. Because we get little or no credit for winning the BE but penalized if we lose just one game in the BE. Being in the BE ( on the Women’s side) means the entire season -seeding wise- fully depends on the results of the OOC schedule. Unlike the P5 conferences.

It's nowhere near that black-and-white.

Winning a p5 conference is no guarantee of a particular seed. Plenty of p5 champions have been seeded 2 or lower. Maryland in 2017 won the Big Ten regular season and conference tournament, had an overall record of 30-2 (with one of those losses to overall #1 UConn), and got a 3 seed from the committee.

In view of UConn's caliber of play through early February, exactly which power 5 conference regular season do you think UConn would have won?

 

[sun]

I agree with your last sentence. My point is - if we run the table or lose one OOC game, we are a #1 seed and it will stay that way. However, if we lose some OOC games and fall out of #1 seed territory, it’s impossible to play ourselves back to a #1 seed even if we win the regular season and win the conference playoffs as we see this year.

UConn signed up to be in the Big East because it's better for the men, for UConn and for the conference.
And the money earned helps to pay for WBB and a lot of other sports.
That shouldn't be ignored.
A lot of money is involved that is more important than our WBB team being ranked #1.

 

[DefenseBB]

The AAC has a higher rating than the Big East. And higher attendance.

So, what data do you have to support the "higher attendance" claim? That is factually untrue on many different levels.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Big Ten Network. American sports network based in Chicago, Illinois. Wikipedia. American digital cable and satellite sports television channel that is owned by ESPN Inc., a joint venture between the Disney Media Networks division of The Walt Disney Company and the Hearst Communications (which owns the remaining 20

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Don't know about that source. Big 10 Network is a Fox property. ACC & SEC and Big 12 on-line programming are ESPN property. The PAC is affiliated with no one, that's the problem.

 

[npignatjr]

So, what data do you have to support the "higher attendance" claim? That is factually untrue on many different levels.

The NCAA
Teams Sessions Attendance Avg.

1. Southeastern 4183
2. Big 12. 4046
3. Big Ten 3928
4. Pac-12 3574


5. Atlantic Coast 2973
6. AAC 2157
7. Mountain West 1712
8. Mid-American 1519
9. Missouri Valley 1381
10. Conference USA 1,243
11. Big East 1254
12. Big Sky 1203

 

[DefenseBB]

The NCAA
Teams Sessions Attendance Avg.

1. Southeastern 4183
2. Big 12. 4046
3. Big Ten 3928
4. Pac-12 3574


5. Atlantic Coast 2973
6. AAC 2157
7. Mountain West 1712
8. Mid-American 1519
9. Missouri Valley 1381
10. Conference USA 1,243
11. Big East 1254
12. Big Sky 1203

Um, what are you referencing-Conference Tournament data (you list "sessions")?
SEC had 7 sessions, and their avg was 7,282.1
Big 10 had only 2 sessions listed with attendance (7,749/8,709) for 7,749
ACC had 6 sessions with 6,425 avg
PAC12 had 6 sessions with 4,038 avg
The Big East had 1,254 on Friday (I was there), Session 2 on Sat noon, had 6,376, Session 3 Sat evening had 4,917; Sun had 6,287; Mon had 6,459 for an average of 4,968.2

The American is still occurring and they are not publishing their attendance on any of the box scores.

For the season, The AAC had an average 1,121.5 fans attend their 148 league games.

The Big East had 1,398 fans attend their 163 games. Also, given that the Northeast had more severe mask requirements, some schools were noticeably lower in attendance- St. John's, DePaul and Marquette.

That said, my data is from the Wika Tournament pages or the actual box scores of the tournament. The season averages are from each teams web site.

Given the long track record of what the conferences have listed over the years, my numbers are consistent.

I also did a 8-year review of both leagues since 2013-2020 as 2021 was a COVID year and 2022 is sort of inconclusive. The data shows that which ever conference UCONN is in, has higher attendance. The only School that increased its attendance in the AAC was UCF and that was due to hiring Coach ABE and the great success they have had. In 2013 & 2014, they had 460 and 720 fans per game. 2020 and 2022 showed 2,541 and 3,776. Pretty good. All the other schools were and still are struggling.

 

[sun]

The NCAA
Teams Sessions Attendance Avg.

1. Southeastern 4183
2. Big 12. 4046
3. Big Ten 3928
4. Pac-12 3574


5. Atlantic Coast 2973
6. AAC 2157
7. Mountain West 1712
8. Mid-American 1519
9. Missouri Valley 1381
10. Conference USA 1,243
11. Big East 1254
12. Big Sky 1203

I'm curious if those figures are from an NCAA PDF for the 2019 -20 WBB season before UConn rejoined the Big East?
UConn rejoined the Big East effective July 1, 2020.
I wouldn't ask if you had posted a reference link which helps others to see the source of the info.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2021/Attend.pdf

 

[CB360]

The NCAA
Teams Sessions Attendance Avg.

6. AAC 2157

11. Big East 1254

I'm shocked that the AAC average 900+ more fans then the Big East?????

 

[EdSaid]

The Big10 network is only around 15 years old. It was started as a joint network with the conference and Fox after negotiations with ESPN went south. The union quickly became a cash cow, distributing $21 million to each school per year after 3-4 years. Today the distribution is over $50 million per school per year. One of the reasons for their huge success is the clout of the Big10's combined alumni. They have a large and influential population spread out across the entire country and they demanded their local cable companies carried the new Big10 Network. It also helps with the continued success of Big10 football and men's basketball. The network exploded and every other conference tried to replicate the success.

A few years ago Fox sold off a lot of its assets to Disney (who owns ESPN), but NOT the Big10 Network

 

[mbr33ct]

The NCAA
Teams Sessions Attendance Avg.

1. Southeastern 4183
2. Big 12. 4046
3. Big Ten 3928
4. Pac-12 3574


5. Atlantic Coast 2973
6. AAC 2157
7. Mountain West 1712
8. Mid-American 1519
9. Missouri Valley 1381
10. Conference USA 1,243
11. Big East 1254
12. Big Sky 1203

Took the liberty to go through stats from the AAC and Big East, time consuming but these are the attendances I saw under each schools stats.

Below are total attendances for home games only, (number of home games) and average per school home game. The math indicates the Big East with slightly higher average (1,398) for home games attendance/session than the AAC (1,121).

I'm just wondering if your data/info for the AAC (2157) could have been (1157). This figure would be more in range of what I have found. I went to each schools web site for my data/source.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Took the liberty to go through stats from the AAC and Big East, time consuming but these are the attendances I saw under each schools stats.

Below are total attendances for home games only, (number of home games) and average per school home game. The math indicates the Big East with slightly higher average (1,398) for home games attendance/session than the AAC (1,121).

I'm just wondering if your data/info for the AAC (2157) could have been (1157). This figure would be more in range of what I have found. I went to each schools web site for my data/source.

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Not for nothing - but you would have to exclude UConn to realistically compare attendance by other teams in the league, which is really the primary point of talking about the American and Big East. UConn's attendance is completely out of proportion to the other schools in either league.

When comparing to other leagues as to "attendance" in general, then of course you would include UConn. Big East would not fare well against the Power 5 conferences. Against many other conferences, probably not so good.

 

[mbr33ct]

Not for nothing - but you would have to exclude UConn to realistically compare attendance by other teams in the league, which is really the primary point of talking about the American and Big East. UConn's attendance is completely out of proportion to the other schools in either league.

When comparing to other leagues as to "attendance" in general, then of course you would include UConn. Big East would not fare well against the Power 5 conferences. Against many other conferences, probably not so good.

I was replying to previous post regarding the attendance numbers from the AAC and Big East, to do that UConn needs to be included in that discussion. If one wants to pick and choose certain teams only, well go had it, I provided attendances for all all games. Again my post was only for the reply to AAC and Big East...not comparing to any other conferences....or did I really miss the point of previous poster had to say?