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Troll alert. Here only to stir the pot. Consider it stirred, and consider that you may have just completely worn out your welcome. Go back to the SEC

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RadyLady said:
Troll alert. Here only to stir the pot. Consider it stirred, and consider that you may have just completely worn out your welcome. Go back to the SEC

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Oops...forgot to quote the troll...or maybe I didn't wish to sully my post with his handle or his...whatever you want to call ir

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Icebear said:
There is not one game there most anyone would prefer to watch over whatever is on against it.

Face you just don't get it and no one agrees with you and isn't going to be pursued just because you say it should be different.
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I have already called attention the the herd instinct on display here. I don't really see the value in agreeing the Big East is toast and the grass is greener on Tobacco Road or the rust belt, Bible Belt or anywhere else.

We are here. This is Big East territory and I regret no one wishes to stand firm for it. If you are so impressed with the ACC, go to their games. That's fine.

I don't roll that way.

Some dude keeps axin me if I go to UCONN football games. I tend to avoid getting drawn into 20 question games and I tend not to answer personal queries. If I want to post up personal tidbits, I will. But not in response to someone else's questioning me about personal factoids.

Here's what I'll share. I lived in S.FL back in Miami's football glory days where winning streaks and national championships were as common to them as basketball glory is to CT now.

I lost interest in them only after they left the BE. It is very unclear as to whether former BE colleges are better off in the ACC. I think they're lost in the shuffle, stuck on Tobacco Road.

For those who refuse to consider the potential benefit of a new coast-to-coast conference of non-traditional powerhouse programs. Fine. But hey, UCONN isn't a football power. It has <one decade in the bs division. In that time period, it has done rather well despite the chaos, disarray and stupidity that characterizes NCAA football at the top level.
 
jplotinus said:
I have already called attention the the herd instinct on display here. I don't really see the value in agreeing the Big East is toast and the grass is greener on Tobacco Road or the rust belt, Bible Belt or anywhere else.
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People agreeing with the obvious is not necessarily herd mentality. Your position is akin to being a climate change denier.
 
Icebear said:
People agreeing with the obvious is not necessarily herd mentality. Your position is akin to being a climate change denier.
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No, it's akin to believing the sky is green, not blue.
 
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Icebear said:
People agreeing with the obvious is not necessarily herd mentality. Your position is akin to being a climate change denier.
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Let me double check for accuracy of understanding:

I might be incorrect, but you think it is written in stone that the ACC is better than the Big East and that therefore it is unfortunate the ACC doesn't want UCONN.

Is that about the size of it?

For me, the issue is relative to the location of the observer. Tobacco Road does not look better to me than New England. I prefer to stand firm for my area and to participate in rebuilding the big east. I'm unwilling to write it off.

Here's something more: Diety willing and the creek don't rise (again) I will go to UCONN football games in the new Big East. I will not go to ACC games and I hope UCONN stops begging to go where it isn't wanted.

The ACC is just not into UCONN.

Can some of you begin to turn lemons to lemonade; or, is that just not gonna happen, no way, no how, no Boise State evah?

Just axin... :-/
 
Biff said:
I don't really much care if you want to continue in your fantasy world view of college sports. But, your representation of this incident is just plain incorrect and inflammatory.

Geno did not bring Maya Moore to ESPN and the incident did not "damn near" have us put on probation and that incident was not why Pat Summitt "flipped out". Sadly and literally, you are wrong on all these facts and represent them incorrectly. I hope that was only accidental and not a purposeful mistake.
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Wait. Your post is not forthcoming; rather, it withholds. If you've got some information that corrects what I've said, why not offer it up?

Besides, I'm sorry you find it necessary to assume the worst about me. Do you make similar assumptions about others who strongly disagree with what you think is true and right and correct and ironclad?

How important is it for others to agree with you? The apparent answer is that you require agreement or else.
 
HuskyNan said:
Man, I just had a flash of deja vu.

'Scuse me for shouting - THIS IS NOT ABOUT BASKETBALL, IT"S ABOUT FOOTBALL AND TV $$$$$$. No matter how strong UConn is in the Big East, it WILL NOT attract TV contracts or continued donations from alumni because it will be in a crappy league. Please, jplotinus, give me one example of how UConn can rebuild the Big East from a league that will play games that no one will want to see. Tulane vs Central Florida? East Carolina vs San Diego State? And UConn is bad in football, it will not attract viewers. Even when UConn when to the BCS bowl, no one watched them.

What part of "crappy league" don't you get? Look at the list of schools below - they stink! I like someone's analogy of a couple days ago - UConn will become Old Dominion, a once powerful program that faded into oblivion.

The Future Big East?
Boise State (Idaho)
Central Florida
Houston (Texas)
Memphis (Tennessee)
San Diego State (California)
Southern Methodist (Texas)
Tulane (Louisiana)
James Madison/Delaware
East Carolina
South Florida

And soon to be dumped:
Providence
DePaul
Villanova
St. John's
Seton Hall
Georgetown
Marquette
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Thank you. I've been saying this ever since the first rumblings of change came out UConn by itself with a bunch of has-beens or never-weres, at least in terms of women's bb, is a disaster and is exactly like Old Dominion down the road. And here's an even worse scenario, for those of us who like to torture ourselves with disaster scenarios:

Let's say this plays out and UConn is playing top-notch basketball in a lousy league. Three or four years go by and gradually it becomes clear that UConn is not able to attract the kind of top players it used to. No more #1s. no Players of the Year. Decent players, but the university's national reach is reduced because players want to play in a league where there's top competition, day in and day out.

Under that scenario, what does Geno do? Does he want to coach second-level talent once again, as he had to at the start of his career? Will he accept the challenge of building up a school in a major conference that wants to get good at WBB? Will he ride off into the sunset of retirement? At that point, does anyone think UConn WBB would even be relevant except on a regional level?

Okay, it's a bunch of hypotheticals, and there's nothing any one of us can do to change things, nor is there much that UConn can do except hope. But my point is that we are not that far from seeing the next steps toward this scenario play out.
 
jplotinus said:
Well, on queue, as it were. It is unseemly to go to Greensboro NC (ACC HQ) begging admission into the ACC. Something that is hard to communicate is that the best way for UCONN to get into some super conference or another is to stand firm, proudly rebuild the Big East by becoming the "beast of the East" and by having conferences come to us begging.

Query: Are posters really saying that UCONN cannot be the leader of a rebuilt Big East?

If so, posters may be overlooking the best avenue for eventual membership where UCONN really wants to be.

I don't think the begging approach sends the right message.

Just say-n :-/
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Yes, UConn can be a leader of a rebuilt Big East. No, no one will care, because a rebuilt Big East will be second-rate when compared with the major conferences.
 
jplotinus said:
Let me double check for accuracy of understanding:

I might be incorrect, but you think it is written in stone that the ACC is better than the Big East and that therefore it is unfortunate the ACC doesn't want UCONN.
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The issue is not whether you or I or any other poster declares the ACC or the Big East better. The market determines this. Which league has the better TV contract?

This is all that matters.

Whoever has more money can build better facilities and lure better coaches. This leads to better recruiting and better results.

When the revenue gap is significant - and the BE is about to fall significantly behind its peers - the schools cannot keep up and all/most programs suffer.
 
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jplotinus said:
Wait. Your post is not forthcoming; rather, it withholds. If you've got some information that corrects what I've said, why not offer it up?

Besides, I'm sorry you find it necessary to assume the worst about me. Do you make similar assumptions about others who strongly disagree with what you think is true and right and correct and ironclad?

How important is it for others to agree with you? The apparent answer is that you require agreement or else.
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No I'm not going to provide you with the facts that refute your inaccurate statements. They are a matter of record. Your statements were not facts but rather false conclusions. I have no idea what information you used to get there but your conclusions as stated are wrong.

I don't know why you assume that I assume the worse about you. Another false conclusion by you I guess. You do throw out some pretty broad assertions based on very little fact it seems.

As I said in my original post, I don't care about your opinion on the BE or the ACC. Continue on with it. I don't agree with it but I don't care that you have it. Again your conclusion is wrong. I do care that you made false statements that seem to erroneously disparage the basketball program and my purpose for posting was only to dispute the correctness and accuracy of those statements.
 
tomcat said:
Yes, UConn can be a leader of a rebuilt Big East. No, no one will care, because a rebuilt Big East will be second-rate when compared with the major conferences.
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For the life of me, I do not understand why people have so much certainty about how this will all play out.

The negative projections are just that: guesses. I choose to guess positively in part; and, I am also basing my claims on my personal lack of affinity for the ACC. I really do prefer a northeast orientation. I hope my personal preference doesn't offend overmuch.

Now to the positive projections:

17-18 yr old kids are rather fickle, for lack of a kinder term to describe their whimsical nature. It is possible, perhaps just as likely as not, that the new Big East will be considered "cool" by the upcoming set of teen-something's. certainly, if I were a BE admin or recruiter, that is what I would pitch.

Certainly, the Bug East will be new and will offer coast-to-coast rivalries in the Internet age. Am I really the only one who sees that as an intriguing prospect and very easily a huge advantage, if played rightly rather than shunned in advance?

Speaking of recruiters, I doubt the BE schools will agree that they are second rate and I doubt they will recruit that way.

Let me here double check something:

Do posters here think the new Big East has nothing at all to offer up as a comparative advantage?

Are posters convinced their projections of future events are ironclad?

Do posters here just not like the BE anymore, under any conditions?
If so, might as well come on out and scream it.

I will:

I LIKE THE BIG EAST and I am truly sorry if that offends sensibilities around here.

Deal with it
 
jplotinus said:
Let me double check for accuracy of understanding:

I might be incorrect, but you think it is written in stone that the ACC is better than the Big East and that therefore it is unfortunate the ACC doesn't want UCONN.

Is that about the size of it?

For me, the issue is relative to the location of the observer. Tobacco Road does not look better to me than New England. I prefer to stand firm for my area and to participate in rebuilding the big east. I'm unwilling to write it off.

Here's something more: Diety willing and the creek don't rise (again) I will go to UCONN football games in the new Big East. I will not go to ACC games and I hope UCONN stops begging to go where it isn't wanted.

The ACC is just not into UCONN.

Can some of you begin to turn lemons to lemonade; or, is that just not gonna happen, no way, no how, no Boise State evah?

Just axin... :-/
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Dude, point to where I have noted anything about the ACC. It is about how bad the gutted Big East is nothing more. You don't read what anyone has said. B1G, ACC, SEC doesn't matter to me because it is about how bad the Big East is. Other than in name it no longer exists. All the important worthwhile teams that used to provide us competition are now in other conferences. The concept the conference is now working is terrible fiscally. Transportation costs will be through the roof and revernue is going nowhere. personally, I would rather be in the B1G.
 
Funny how whenever I mention the revenue gap, you conveniently ignore it and stick to what you wish would happen. Yeah, because dreams top dollars.

Fortunately there's a wonderful Ignore feature on this board, which I will now make use of.
 
tomcat said:
Thank you. I've been saying this ever since the first rumblings of change came out UConn by itself with a bunch of has-beens or never-weres, at least in terms of women's bb, is a disaster and is exactly like Old Dominion down the road. And here's an even worse scenario, for those of us who like to torture ourselves with disaster scenarios:

Let's say this plays out and UConn is playing top-notch basketball in a lousy league. Three or four years go by and gradually it becomes clear that UConn is not able to attract the kind of top players it used to. No more #1s. no Players of the Year. Decent players, but the university's national reach is reduced because players want to play in a league where there's top competition, day in and day out.

Under that scenario, what does Geno do? Does he want to coach second-level talent once again, as he had to at the start of his career? Will he accept the challenge of building up a school in a major conference that wants to get good at WBB? Will he ride off into the sunset of retirement? At that point, does anyone think UConn WBB would even be relevant except on a regional level?

Okay, it's a bunch of hypotheticals, and there's nothing any one of us can do to change things, nor is there much that UConn can do except hope. But my point is that we are not that far from seeing the next steps toward this scenario play out.
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Yes, you have relied on hypotheticals. But, your post is very thoughtful in my opinion, and much appreciated.

The part that jumps out at me is the Old Dominion part. That part is particularly apt because it relates more to women's BB and less to football. That is good.

All glory is fleeting, as the saying goes. UCONN has had a longer than normal run at the tip top of WCBB world. And we look pretty strong now and on into the immediate future. Sooner or later a reversion to mean will likely occur. Any number of factors can cause that reversion. I won't try to either list them, much less guess what might cause it for us.

I thought for awhile that Miami would be on top foevah in football. Note, too, they dropped when they went to the ACC and not the other way around. BC has also all but dropped off the face of the earth too, now that it is a run of the mill ACC school.

I don't know what the future holds for the BE. I have already said, however, that it has some cards that it can play. I applaud, in particular, the coast-to-coast aspect. I do that not because I prefer it; I do so because that factor can be seen as an innovation in college sports. It now only takes a little savvy to make it happen and to turn those of us who are gloomy into happy campers.

Shall we give it a chance and abide the outcome?

Blessings
 
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jplotinus said:
I don't know what the future holds for the BE.
we have tried to tell you. You obtusely ignore these posts
I have already said, however, that it has some cards that it can play.
jokers. That's all. No other viable cards.
I applaud, in particular, the coast-to-coast aspect. I do that not because I prefer it; I do so because that factor can be seen as an innovation in college sports.
cost, cost, cost. It will cost to compete across the country for games are not played on the internet
It now only takes a little savvy to make it happen and to turn those of us who are gloomy into happy campers.
hope you have some smashed potatoes to go with your savvy.
Shall we give it a chance and abide the outcome?
You're on your own, kid.
Blessings
can't quite figure that one out
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I don't know if this has ever been mentioned or not, or has ever been under consideration by the UCONN administration. What if UCONN became an independent? In this way they would be able to set their own schedule and play the best teams possible. I don't claim to know all the ramifications of such a move, or the pro and cons of not being a part of a conference.

My main fear is that if UCONN remains in the Big East they will become a fading women's basketball power much like La Tech and other past elite programs that have faded into a second rate team. What top ten or twenty recruit would want to come to UCONN if they play nothing but cup cakes?
 
connboy77 said:
Why?
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Scheduling is virtually impossible. Once conference schedules start, many schools dont want to play out of conference.

There is a reason ~2 out of 300+ schools are independents in non-football.

Absolutely, positively not an option.
 
jplotinus said:
Some dude keeps axin me if I go to UCONN football games.
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I am the one who kept ASKING you. (No idea what "axin" is, by the way. ) And if you can't tell by my handle that I am not a "dude", that explains a lot. You just don't see things clearly or pay attention to details.

I am assuming from your position that if UConn should end up in the ACC you will stop being a fan? And you will therefore stop posting on the fan message board? (Oops, sorry. Forgot you don't go for the "personal" questions. ) If so, the ACC just gained additional favor in my mind. I don't believe you are really a fan anyway, especially if you stop following a team who leaves the Big East, ala Miami.

I'm not buying what your selling and so I am doing what I do to annoying telemarketers. You are officially on ignore now. Be gone with you. I am sure you can find an "exciting" new team to follow in your beloved Big East when UConn moves on.
 
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connboy77 said:
Why?
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Notre Dame is the only independent school with enough cache to sign a multi-million dollar contract with a network to televise its football team. Without that money, the athletics dept will wither and die.
 
jplotinus said:
Sooner or later a reversion to mean will likely occur. Any number of factors can cause that reversion. I won't try to either list them, much less guess what might cause it for us.
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TEN HUT!!

It's now called regression toward the mean just in case you want to bring yourself up-to-date on the lingo. There are no factors that cause it; it's inherent in the normal distribution itself. If regression doesn't occur, the distribution isn't normal and regression toward the mean would be, well, meaningless.

As you were...or not.
 
FairView said:
I can't take any more of this thread.
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I'd have to think our politicians would help get us out of the Big East. Our flagship university has WAY too much going to be left out. One of the best public schools in the whole northeast. Who's better? Just Penn State and Rutgers? Is central PA considered part of the northeast or the midwest? This person who thinks the BE is better than our other options is clearly delusional. Four pages...
 
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