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WingU-Conn said:
I never accused you of doing any of that.
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Sure you did. In the very post I responded to! And for the record, my "spreading disease rant" came directly after you accused me of making **** up as I go along.

Look, at this point, let's just drop it. We haven't even been arguing about the same thing since page 3. And we woke up Fishy in the process....and Fishy don't like to be woken up.....Fishy don't like it....

(and yes, everyone, it's a joke, and I'm sure Fishy understands that, and I'm sure he won't spout off on the first amendment....or maybe he will...who gives a **** at this point)
 
UConnDan97 said:
Sure you did. In the very post I responded to! And for the record, my "spreading disease rant" came directly after you accused me of making **** up as I go along.

Look, at this point, let's just drop it. We haven't even been arguing about the same thing since page 3. And we woke up Fishy in the process....and Fishy don't like to be woken up.....Fishy don't like it....

(and yes, everyone, it's a joke, and I'm sure Fishy understands that, and I'm sure he won't spout off on the first amendment....or maybe he will...who gives a **** at this point)
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Well, you were making shit up, like when you said "let's say we have 2 games on NBC a year". That's made up. I could say "let's say we have 10" or "let's say we have 0". I don't think that's a personal attack, but I apologize anyway.

We can drop it but there is a recurring theme here. I never wrote you said the BE was going to get a cash windfall, or that NBC would be the savior.

I simply said that thinking was wrong, but I never attributed that thinking to you. I never even implied you said it.

If I told you water is wet, you would respond by asking me to show where you said water was dry.

Feel free to have the last word.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Well, you were making stuff up, like how many games would be on NBC. I don't think that's a personal attack, but I apologize.

We can drop it but there is a recurring theme here. I never wrote you said the BE was going to get a cash windfall, or that NBC would be the savior.

I simply said that thinking was wrong, but I never attributed that thinking to you. I never even implied you said it.

If I told you water is wet, you would respond by asking me to show where you said water was dry.

Feel free to have the last word.
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Thank you for the last word. To finalize your analogy, this fight has been more like:

WingU: FYI, water isn't dry.
UCD: I never said it was dry! Of course it's wet!
WingU: I didn't ever say you said that.
UCD: Then what the heck was the "FYI, water isn't dry" for?
WingU: Reading comprehension, UCD. Reading comprehension. This seems to be a recurring theme with you...

I will at least take solace in the fact that I believe both you and I want UConn to win by 40 tomorrow night....so we've got THAT going for us...
 
whaler11 said:
You do realize that ABC and ESPN provide those games to almost everyone right? That coverage map only shows ABC - it gets mirrored on ESPN and ESPN2.
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Yes but the Big East game was on ESPN3 for the rest fo teh country. THe other two cover maps had a Big-12 matchup and a PAc-12 matchup as the 3:30 ABC games with ESPN2 carrying the mirrors for those two blocks with Lousiville on ESPN3. For example"

The other question I won't address. Both ABC and NBC can skim the best games they want and rotate the others to ESPN3 Regionals or SNY as ESPN does now with the Big East.



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This weekend UConn gets Friday Night on ESPN2 nationally (no mirrors).

At Noon Syracuse and Lousville get the small ABC regional affiliates window while Miami v. Virginia gets the National ABC window. No mirrors. Other games are scheduled on ESPN2 etc. such as Rutgers v Army on ESPNU.

Swap that for NBC Sports (for LU) and SNY at Noon (for Rutgers) if NBC picks up the contract and maybe they do Fridays on NBC Sports or put a UConn game at 3:30.
 
RS9999X said:
Yes but the Big East game was on ESPN3 for the rest fo teh country. THe other two cover maps had a Big-12 matchup and a PAc-12 matchup as the 3:30 ABC games with ESPN2 carrying the mirrors for those two blocks with Lousiville on ESPN3. For example"

The other question I won't address. Both ABC and NBC can skim the best games they want and rotate the others to ESPN3 Regionals or SNY as ESPN does now with the Big East.



121020_2_330.jpg

This weekend UConn gets Friday Night on ESPN2 nationally (no mirrors).

At Noon Syracuse and Lousville get the small ABC regional affiliates window while Miami v. Virginia gets the National ABC window. No mirrors. Other games are scheduled on ESPN2 etc. such as Rutgers v Army on ESPNU.

Swap that for NBC Sports (for LU) and SNY at Noon (for Rutgers) if NBC picks up the contract and maybe they do Fridays on NBC Sports or put a UConn game at 3:30.
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Yes the rare 12pm ABC window where they burn games off comes with no mirrors. They are burning off ACC and Big East games because the leagues suck. If they could come up with something worth televising they would.

I have no idea what your point is about UConn but no one in their right mind would choose a 2012 UConn game.

As awful as ESPN is to the Big East two winless conference teams got national distribution last week. Do you really want to compare NBCS ratings to even ESPNU?
 
WingU-Conn said:
I think whaler is giving up on trying to explain to you guys that the Big East simply isn't worth what most of you think it is. It has nothing to do with making decisions, but managing expectations.

If the teams were good, and the games were compelling, ESPN would broadcast them, not bury them. But the teams aren't, and the games aren't. NBC sports currently has some MWC games, CAA games, and CFL games. That's what we're being relegated to. The big boys are on ESPN (ABC), Fox, and CBS. We're going to be broadcast partners with the MWC and CAA.

It's not like the other networks didn't know that the big east was going to be available. They just aren't interested. NBC is the only one interested because as bad as the conference is, it's a step up from the CAA. So we have that going for us, which is nice.
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And what's your definition of Notre Dame chuckles?
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Is this supposed to be an insult? I mean if you are trying to knock ND you picked the wrong season tough guy.
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on the contrary, you did...

"NBC sports currently has some MWC games, CAA games, and CFL games. That's what we're being relegated to. The big boys are on ESPN (ABC), Fox, and CBS. We're going to be broadcast partners with the MWC and CAA"...​

By your post, either Notre Dame isn't on NBC or they aren't one of the big boys... So I'll ask the question again, Chuckles... What's your definition of Notre Dame?
 
Marty Jackson said:
on the contrary, you did...

"NBC sports currently has some MWC games, CAA games, and CFL games. That's what we're being relegated to. The big boys are on ESPN (ABC), Fox, and CBS. We're going to be broadcast partners with the MWC and CAA"...​

By your post, either Notre Dame isn't on NBC or they aren't one of the big boys... So I'll ask the question again, Chuckles... What's your definition of Notre Dame?
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By NBC sports i meant the NBC sports network.

I would have thought that was obvious since they don't show CAA games on NBC.

If you think we'd be "partners" with ND you're a moron. Anytime they have a home game, they will be on NBC. No matter who they are playing.
 
WingU-Conn said:
By NBC sports i meant the NBC sports network.

I would have thought that was obvious since they don't show CAA games on NBC.

If you think we'd be "partners" with ND you're a moron. Anytime they have a home game, they will be on NBC. No matter who they are playing.
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Lighten up Francis...
ND is a big boy outside of ESPN, fox, and CBS. They are on NBC.
Are you really going to debate about whether the BE is going to be exclusive to NBC sports network? Why don't you make up more crap so you can get all pissy when someone calls you out.
Second, nobody suggested a partnership with nd? Again, you're making stuff up to create a debate.
 
Marty Jackson said:
Lighten up Francis...
ND is a big boy outside of ESPN, fox, and CBS. They are on NBC.
Are you really going to debate about whether the BE is going to be exclusive to NBC sports network? Why don't you make up more crap so you can get all pissy when someone calls you out.
Second, nobody suggested a partnership with nd? Again, you're making stuff up to create a debate.
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You're a idiot.

"Broadcast partners" moron. I used the phrase before. We would not be on equal ground. I don't know why I am wasting my time. You're not worth it.
 
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Marty Jackson said:
That's cool, I've been called far worse by far better...

I release you...

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You have to understand that there are two camps on this one; the "NBC could be a good thing" camp, and the "We're NBC dooooomed!" camp. I happen to be in the former camp, while WingU is squarely in the latter. The NBC-doomed camp does not accept, nor will they seemingly ever accept, that a contract with NBC/NBCSports could be a good thing for both UConn and the Big East. Once you have that information, there is no sense in argument. From either side!

At this point, the most fruitful thing we can do as fellow UConn fans is to NOT kill each other and wait and see what unfolds in the contract situation. In Aresco, we trust... ;)
 
There are positives and negatives to both NBC and ESPN.

I believe we are better served on the ESPN/ABC networks.

I see Harvard is playing Penn on NBCSN, and I'm still laughing at the moron with the idea they would be considered big boys since ND plays on NBC.
 
whaler11 said:
This Saturday at noon on NBCS what gets a higher rating - random MLS playoff game or Louisville/Syracuse?

If Louisville wasn't undefeated I'd probably take MLS.
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You would be completely, totally, hysterically wrong.
 
zls44 said:
You would be completely, totally, hysterically wrong.
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I might be. There would be a dozen football games on to split football viewership. An MLS playoff game would be something different. I've seen some of the numbers they get for MLS - they aren't good but Syracuse and Louisville isn't exactly appointment television.
 
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whaler11 said:
I might be. There would be a dozen football games on to split football viewership. An MLS playoff game would be something different. I've seen some of the numbers they get for MLS - they aren't good but Syracuse and Louisville isn't exactly appointment television.
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It's still better.
 
WingU-Conn said:
There are positives and negatives to both NBC and ESPN.

I believe we are better served on the ESPN/ABC networks.

I see Harvard is playing Penn on NBCSN, and I'm still laughing at the moron with the idea they would be considered big boys since ND plays on NBC.
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Yes, all true. The Big East has much bigger problems than which network it is on. The BE has no identity. Nowhere is "Big East Country". What identity we had as an eastern hoops conference has been lost. We are truly the island of misfit programs. It doesn't matter if Louisville-Cincy is a decent game. Ohio belongs first to the B1G and second to the MAC. The keys to success for the other leagues isn't just on the field, it is in mind share of the casual fan. People in Virginia will watch Wake vs GT. We can't even match that.

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whaler11 said:
What kind of numbers do the CUSA/MWC games get on CBS cable?
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I've never seen them. But I've seen the MLS numbers. And I'm a soccer fan. Bigtime.

I'd guess those CUSA/MWC games pull anywhere from a .15-.5
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes, all true. The Big East has much bigger problems than which network it is on. The BE has no identity. Nowhere is "Big East Country". What identity we had as an eastern hoops conference has been lost. We are truly the island of misfit programs. It doesn't matter if Louisville-Cincy is a decent game. Ohio belongs first to the B1G and second to the MAC. The keys to success for the other leagues isn't just on the field, it is in mind share of the casual fan. People in Virginia will watch Wake vs GT. We can't even match that.

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How much better would perception and the TV negotiations be going if it still had WV, VT, Miami? Maybe not a ton but I have to think a significant difference. I need to open an interdimensional portal into the alternate universe where the BE added Louisville and Cincinnati and kept the OBE teams.
 
junglehusky said:
How much better would perception and the TV negotiations be going if it still had WV, VT, Miami? Maybe not a ton but I have to think a significant difference. I need to open an interdimensional portal into the alternate universe where the BE added Louisville and Cincinnati and kept the OBE teams.
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And BC, despite how bad they are at present. Look at the map, we'd have the only two in New England (save UMass who would join if asked at some later date), on in upstate NY, one in PA, one in southern OH, one in KY, one in WV, on in western VA, one in NJ. Miami could be lost, and we'd have a cohesive claim on the top right corner of the country. It's all a fantasy at this point, but this 10 team league is pretty good: UConn, BC, Pitt, Cuse, RU, UL, Cincy, WVU, VT, Miami. It should have jetisoned the basketball only schools years ago and committed as a strong all sports league. It would be strong enough to make a play for Maryland, if not Penn State. What a total disaster that it fell apart.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Yes, all true. The Big East has much bigger problems than which network it is on. The BE has no identity. Nowhere is "Big East Country". What identity we had as an eastern hoops conference has been lost. We are truly the island of misfit programs. It doesn't matter if Louisville-Cincy is a decent game. Ohio belongs first to the B1G and second to the MAC. The keys to success for the other leagues isn't just on the field, it is in mind share of the casual fan. People in Virginia will watch Wake vs GT. We can't even match that.

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More money, better exposure and success on the field will rebuild the brand. I agree it is problem though.
 
More money than before... but the gap between us and the ACC will increase. That's the primary problem. The branding / identity problem is the icing on the cake.
 
The real problem goes all the way back to when 3 basketball onlies voted against Penn St, the next year Pittsburgh came in. Had we brought in Penn St, added Pitt to Syracuse, Boston College this was 1982-1983. Then we could have invited West Virginia, Rutgers, Temple, Virginia Tech, Miami, Florida St which would have created a great conference. With that group no-one would have been leaving, and UConn could have upgraded gradually.
 
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