Big East=Recruitment Advantage?

[CocoHusky]

It goes back to the original article, which I admit I didn't read. But the truth of the matter is that the advantages for UConn will be subtle, as the Big East isn't (against UConn) much more of a challenge than the AAC.
What the problem with the BE is - and probably the AAC and most non-P5's - is that the facilities at a lot of the schools are just not going to attract the best of recruits. It doesn't mean they cannot be successful, but collectively they don't have the success of most P5 conferences because of money lacking and one of the places that is felt is in facilities.
Conversely, a fair number of the BE schools (and even the AAC schools) do invest in their Men's BB programs. It will be interesting to see if the BE can elevate its Women's side to be consistently closely competitive with the P5 conferences. Right now, it isn't. Some of the teams are, but collectively, it is the next step down.

One other aspect that is being highly overstated is the nostalgic angle of UCONN's return to the BE. This angle was overly hyped during the Seton Hall broadcast and also last night during the ND vs Depaul. That BE is gone. There is no ND, PITT, West virginia, Boston College, Rutgers, Louisville or Syracuse. Villanova is still there but Harry is retiring.

 

[Steelerone]

As far as football is concerned unless someone was from that area of the country or went to that school (AAC) does anyone really care about not playing any of those teams again? Uconn may even make more money by being scheduled (although as a cupcake) by Power Five teams. Just the lessening of travel will make the move to the Big East more compatible. Uconn is now and has been for the past seventy or more years a basketball school. And given the popularity of our Women's teams it makes even more sense. While never losing a game in the years of playing in the AAC might say something about the strength of our team it says a lot more about the weakness of the teams we had to play.

 

[tomcat]

For the men, it's really important. For the women, not so much. Neither league gets UConn to a place where it deserves to be, like the ACC, but that's never going to happen, and we all know it. But honestly, anything that gets UConn away from trips to places like Tulsa and Wichita is a good move. Ultimately, being in the Big East again is better. It will be more competitive than the AAC. The upcoming DePaul game is proof positive of that.

 

[MD#12Fan]

Geno has to be conflicted. Growing up outside Philly and playing his college ball at West Chester, you know he loves a good cheesesteak sandwich. But he will certainly miss those winter trips to play USF when he could bring along his clubs and get in a round of golf with Jose in Tampa.

Well played old dude, well played

 

[mbr33ct]

I know it's still a year to go for UConn officially join the BE. I like the prospects of finally getting out from the AAC. I'm in the mood of projecting to next year, as of this morning on WarrenNolan.com...I'm going to steal a line from one of west coast (Pac-12) fan and say 3 of the top 8 best RPI (...and their respective SOS aren't bad either) teams are BE? Don't know if there were ever 3 teams from the AAC that could have said that, I'm encouraged with UConn going back to the BE.

 

[SLY63]

That’s right. Geno can travel anywhere in the country it suits him for recruiting/showcase purposes during the first two months of the season. If he wants to do Florida, Texas, California or the great northwest, he can do it.

I don’t see any negatives with respect to recruiting in moving to the Big East Conference. As another poster recently commented, potential recruits are impressed by a marquee program that wins, has a long track record of preparing players for the WNBA, goes deep in the tournament every year, and wins championships. They are attracted to a coach, not a particular conference. I’m very interested to see who rounds out our class of 2021. Personally I’m pining for Azzi to come aboard. She would be a huge get for UConn.

I never like to look ahead. I’m very excited about the season before us, but I’m also extremely excited about the team Geno will put on the floor next year. Alas, next year will take care of itself. My focus and concerns at the moment is on DePaul. Let’s win THAT game, and look good doing it (the freshmen showing growth and development) without any injury to any of our players.

I definitely see Geno traveling to Florida (USF/Jose), Texas (Baylor, UT), California (UCLA, Stanford) schools to keep a "presence" in those areas for recruiting.

 

[MSGRET]

Geno has to be conflicted. Growing up outside Philly and playing his college ball at West Chester, you know he loves a good cheesesteak sandwich. But he will certainly miss those winter trips to play USF when he could bring along his clubs and get in a round of golf with Jose in Tampa.

USF and UConn have agreed to keep the series alive by rotating the Home and Home.

 

[Alydar]

Yes, but FL trips will end.

Geno has already said that he will still schedule USF so the trips will continue, but only every other year.

 

[Alydar]

i used to believe like you that conference did not matter until Haley Jones told me different.
Paraphrase: She said one of the reasons she chose Stanford over UCONN was to play in one of the best WCBB conferences where she would be challenged nigh in and night out.

If Stanford plays to their ranking they will have 4 challenging games in the PAC12 this year. Here is the SOS for both UConn and Stanford for the last 10 years. These are the comparative schedule ratings for UConn and Stanford. UConn on the left and Stanford on the right. (Massey) Stanford is a great school and has a great coach and program but the "night in night out" comment is total BS

2 - 3
4 - 6
2 - 3
1 - 6
2 - 7
1 - 4
1 - 8
3 - 6
1 - 4
1 - 2


Jones is just parroting the sales pitch she bought from Tara. I hear the winning coach's sales pitch in every recruit's decision announcement. For UConn it's usually a variation of "I wanted a school that could develop me to be the best player I could be. There is no question as to the relative prestige of the PAC12 and the AAC but night in night out, year in year out, UConn played a more challenging schedule.
So far this year Stanford's schedule has included E Washington, San Francisco, Gonzaga, Buffalo, Cal Baptist, Syracuse, Miss St. Once you get past Oregon & Oregon St the rest of the PAC12 is impressive in name only. When was the last time a PAC12 team other than Stanford has given UConn a challenge? It will likely happen this year but the PAC12 only looks great in comparison to the rest of the west.
Now if Jones' goal is a conference championship then a plaque from the PAC12 will be more impressive, alongside a Stanford diploma, but a ring from the NCAA is something on a different scale.

 

[Alydar]

Well UCONN in the AAC or BE isn't gonna be challenged night in and night out.

Neither is Stanford. See my post above. Although they were challenged by Cal Baptist so maybe she's right.

 

[npignatjr]

For the men, it's really important. For the women, not so much. Neither league gets UConn to a place where it deserves to be, like the ACC, but that's never going to happen, and we all know it. But honestly, anything that gets UConn away from trips to places like Tulsa and Wichita is a good move. Ultimately, being in the Big East again is better. It will be more competitive than the AAC. The upcoming DePaul game is proof positive of that.

Where is Creighton? UCONN plays DePaul every year games never competitive

 

[nwhoopfan]

When was the last time a PAC12 team other than Stanford has given UConn a challenge?

Too easy. UCLA in the Tourney last year. Short memory?


edited--they didn't exactly roll against Cal last year or this year, and Cal isn't even one of the better Pac 12 teams

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Where is Creighton? UCONN plays DePaul every year games never competitive

If you mean physically, it is Omaha, Nebraska. They were always competitive in whatever conference they were in before they joined the BE (MVC I think). They have been coached by Jim Flanery for almost 20 years. They went out in the 2nd round of the NCAA's in 2017 and 2018, they were under .500 last year.

 

[npignatjr]

I know where it is, responding about trips to Oklahoma and Kansas, similar.

 

[Adios]

The only better outcome would be to play in a Power 5 conference, which of course is impossible because of the other sports particularly football.

Other sports? Do you follow UConn womens basketball or UConn athletics?

 

[MD#12Fan]

Other sports? Do you follow UConn womens basketball or UConn athletics?

Oops, my bad, UConn football vs Oklahoma, UConn football vs Auburn, UConn football vs USC, UConn football, UConn football vs Clemson, UConn football vs Michigan. Of course, the girls are world class. What’s your point? We can talk other sports too if you want. UConn ain’t going power 5 in any of our lifetimes. There will never be another Big East men’s hoops conference like the 80s. The Big East of 2019 is the best UConn can hope for. All the other top women’s teams in the country are power 5, so by definition they will have the best league competition.

 

[oldude]

USF and UConn have agreed to keep the series alive by rotating the Home and Home.

I guess every other year Jose can bring his clubs up to CT in January......

 

[itsasport]

Potential recruits, I think, want assurance that when they eventually arrive at their chosen school that they will have a good shot at championships or, at least the Final Four, during their college career.

No other school has a been able to achieve that. Look how far even ND can fall. When the ND players were recruited, did they have any idea that ND would drop out of the top 25. Every other major program has had brief moments at the top and then fallen precipitously,

UConn has consistently won or remained contenders for National Championships. UConn has made the Final Four since the time of Moses,

Most of the really great players understand that they do not want to be the only big fish. They want to play with equally great players...and know that they will reach their full potential as individuals and have the joy of being a part of a great team, That is why UConn has had an unmatched stream of No.1 HS players,,,who become great college level players who, at graduation, are professional level players and future stars.

Who was the WNBA coach who said that he wished all his players were from UConn?

 

[Alydar]

Too easy. UCLA in the Tourney last year. Short memory?

edited--they didn't exactly roll against Cal last year or this year, and Cal isn't even one of the better Pac 12 teams.

Dayton gave UConn a better challenge a few years ago but that is hardly proof of the challenge of their conference. Teams in the AAC also occasionally play UConn close.

And didn't Cal Baptist give Stanford a better game than Cal did UConn?

I think my point is made by the comparison of Stanford's SOS and UConn's in the last 10 years. It's plain to see that despite playing in a much tougher conference, Stanford's SOS, while excellent, is significantly and consistently inferior to UConn's.

 

[Alydar]

When I think "challenging schedule" my thoughts are of men's basketball. In the 2011 season UConn was 5-7 in their last dozen Big East games and was the 9 seed in the conference tournament. They won the tournament and won the national title. That is what I call a competitve conference, night in and night out.

For years I have had discussions with fans of different P5 conferences and it's been my position that there are no "power conferences" in women's basketball. What there are are several conferences with 2 or 3 outstanding teams, a few that fall into the 30-50 category and then a bunch of mediocrity and downright bad programs. It's largely a function of the lack of broad talent and the lack of good coaching in HS. The P5 conferences are highly challenging for the mid range teams but not for the elite teams.
Now for most wcbb teams winning a conference title is a big deal. But when one of, if not the best recruit in the country, is looking for competition there is no program that year in and year out offers when they will get at UConn, because the only real challenges over the course of the season, other than 3 or 4 games, comes in the NCAA E8 and FF. And that has been where UConn has lived for decades.

 

[Alydar]

Did some research. UConn's all-time record against the PAC 12 is 34-9, suggesting somewhat of a challenge. If you take out their 11-7 record against Stanford they are 23-2 against the rest of the PAC12, and that isn't what I call challenging.

 

[CocoHusky]

If Stanford plays to their ranking they will have 4 challenging games in the PAC12 this year. Here is the SOS for both UConn and Stanford for the last 10 years. These are the comparative schedule ratings for UConn and Stanford. UConn on the left and Stanford on the right. (Massey) Stanford is a great school and has a great coach and program but the "night in night out" comment is total BS

2 - 3
4 - 6
2 - 3
1 - 6
2 - 7
1 - 4
1 - 8
3 - 6
1 - 4
1 - 2


Jones is just parroting the sales pitch she bought from Tara. I hear the winning coach's sales pitch in every recruit's decision announcement. For UConn it's usually a variation of "I wanted a school that could develop me to be the best player I could be. There is no question as to the relative prestige of the PAC12 and the AAC but night in night out, year in year out, UConn played a more challenging schedule.
So far this year Stanford's schedule has included E Washington, San Francisco, Gonzaga, Buffalo, Cal Baptist, Syracuse, Miss St. Once you get past Oregon & Oregon St the rest of the PAC12 is impressive in name only. When was the last time a PAC12 team other than Stanford has given UConn a challenge? It will likely happen this year but the PAC12 only looks great in comparison to the rest of the west.
Now if Jones' goal is a conference championship then a plaque from the PAC12 will be more impressive, alongside a Stanford diploma, but a ring from the NCAA is something on a different scale.

I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself!
A comparison of Stanford's OOC schedule compared to UCONN's OOC is meaningless over the years because it has nothing to do with what Haley Jones said. What you should be looking at is UCONN CONFERENCE schedule vs. Stanford CONFERENCE schedule this season and for the next 3 seasons even when UCONN joins the BE.
If you come to any other conclusion besides Haley Jones had a point, you are being delusional because the Pac 12 has 4 of the top 10 teams in the country and AAC and BE have ONE. It's simple math really, not like quadratic equation math either.

 

[Triad]

I doubt it will help much. It may hurt a little. But UCONN is UCONN, at least til Geno retires. No matter what conference we are in. They are not going to have too much trouble recruiting (except of course "bigs" ).

It may hurt a little in the south. There won't be annual trips to FL, TX, LA, TN. Just make it harder to pry players out of those areas.

If Uconn stays in the run for the gold most years then Recruitment shall be good regardless of which area of the country the conference is in. I'll admit that kids playing for Uconn want to show the home folks them playing on the biggest time program that is more than once in 4 years. It seems the recruitment feel off a bit after Stew went Pro but apparently that was a fluke because ---look at those arriving in the next few years--it's really bad for basketball.

 

[Triad]

I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself!
A comparison of Stanford's OOC schedule compared to UCONN's OOC is meaningless over the years because it has nothing to do with Haley Jones said. What you should be looking at is UCONN CONFERENCE schedule vs. Stanford CONFERENCE schedule this season and for the next 3 seasons even when UCONN joins the BE.
If you come to any other conclusion besides Haley Jones had a point, you are being delusional because the Pac 12 has 4 of the top 10 teams in the country and AAC and BE have ONE. It's simple math really, not like quadratic equation math either.

If everything relied on the Conference schedules why doesn't Stanford have 12 NC's and 14 straight FF appearances. I know better than argue against you but even your above dissertation is missing some intangibles not related to conference.
We know Geno, historically , even back in the old BE days took on the best of the best that would have him. Some were foolish enough to try to select Uconn on a believed coming down year, silly coach.
So, ignoring the conferences because apparently they are not the significant factor. If not conference what is?
Will Haley Jones do for the TREE what Stewie/DT/Maya (pick one) did for the Dogs??

 

[CocoHusky]

If everything relied on the Conference schedules why doesn't Stanford have 12 NC's and 14 straight FF appearances. I know better than argue against you but even your above dissertation is missing some intangibles not related to conference.
We know Geno, historically , even back in the old BE days took on the best of the best that would have him. Some were foolish enough to try to select Uconn on a believed coming down year, silly coach.
So, ignoring the conferences because apparently they are not the significant factor. If not conference what is?
Will Haley Jones do for the TREE what Stewie/DT/Maya (pick one) did for the Dogs??

Who said "everything" relied on conference schedule?
Extremely unlikely that Haley Jones could do for stanford what Stewie/DT/Maya did for UCONN.
Geno has "historically NEVER" ducked anyone. Geno is "ultra" competitive I assure you he would much rather be playing the teams in the Pac 12 than Playing the teams in the AAC or BE next year.

 

[CocoHusky]

Did some research. UConn's all-time record against the PAC 12 is 34-9, suggesting somewhat of a challenge. If you take out their 11-7 record against Stanford they are 23-2 against the rest of the PAC12, and that isn't what I call challenging.

Ok, so what does this have to do with Haley Jones and what she said?

 

[Triad]

Who said "everything" relied on conference schedule?

It is not You selecting a single word you'd like to reply to is it? Who is posting under your name?
Change Everything to any word you'd choose or ignore it. The question remains. Why then doesn't Stanford have 12 nc's or 14 ff's if their conferences are so important. What are the intangibles, bad question but something makes the difference other than conferences!!

 

[CocoHusky]

It is not You selecting a single word you'd like to reply to is it? Who is posting under your name?
Change Everything to any word you'd choose or ignore it. The question remains. Why then doesn't Stanford have 12 nc's or 14 ff's if their conferences are so important. What are the intangibles, bad question but something makes the difference other than conferences!!

The intangibles aren't. The very tangible thing is Geno.

 

[Alydar]

I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself!
A comparison of Stanford's OOC schedule compared to UCONN's OOC is meaningless over the years because it has nothing to do with what Haley Jones said. What you should be looking at is UCONN CONFERENCE schedule vs. Stanford CONFERENCE schedule this season and for the next 3 seasons even when UCONN joins the BE.
If you come to any other conclusion besides Haley Jones had a point, you are being delusional because the Pac 12 has 4 of the top 10 teams in the country and AAC and BE have ONE. It's simple math really, not like quadratic equation math either.

Four of the top 10 in December of 2019. Go back and look at the conference over a longer time period and you'll see that both Oregon schools sucked. UCLA has had a couple of decent teams but hardly what I would call challenging. The only team in the PAC12 to do anything consistently over the last 10 years that comes close to being described as a challenging program is the Trees. I doubt her goals are linited to the PAC12? I doubt that but it would certainly be what I would try and sell her on if I was the coach.

I stated very clearly that Stanford will have 4 challenging games IN CONFERENCE. They will no doubt play a couple more close ones but that will be due to their own performance rather than their opponents.

I also stated that there are no challenging conferences in wcbb for an elite level team. ZERO. NADA. Name one conference that would have challenged UConn consistently over the years. And by challenged I mean losing 2 game a year and playing another 6 that end up being close wins? That conference doesn't exist.

My point, which you seem to have missed, was that Jones like most elite recruits announcing their decisions are just parroting what they were told in the sales pitch.


For example: Q: Why did you buy the Ford? A: They have the best cars, the best warranty and give the best service.

Get it?

 

[eebmg]

I don't know why you keep doing this to yourself!
A comparison of Stanford's OOC schedule compared to UCONN's OOC is meaningless over the years because it has nothing to do with what Haley Jones said. What you should be looking at is UCONN CONFERENCE schedule vs. Stanford CONFERENCE schedule this season and for the next 3 seasons even when UCONN joins the BE.
If you come to any other conclusion besides Haley Jones had a point, you are being delusional because the Pac 12 has 4 of the top 10 teams in the country and AAC and BE have ONE. It's simple math really, not like quadratic equation math either.

ah but the quadratic equation math explains alot. 2 valid solutions. Some times positive, sometimes negative and sometimes complex.