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hello big east, did i miss any fraudulent mid major top 10 teams losing to a bad mwc school (again)?
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Creighton loses.

73-36 (24-22).

Easily the worst the Big East has been in a decade.
 
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shizzle787 said:
Creighton loses.

73-36 (24-22).

Easily the worst the Big East has been in a decade.
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Thoughts about the game just spitballing from the top of my head:

This one hurt the Big East for sure. Creighton who many project to be a top 3 team in the Big East and a top 10-15 nationally has lost 2 games to the Mountain West Conference. It makes the MWC look better and it makes the Big East look bad. Especially considering UNLV was 3-4 entering the game.

This wasn't a game where the underdog had a lot of lucky or fluke plays or bounces of the ball and/or officiating that resulted in and made the difference in a close 1-2 possession win. UNLV lead the entire game and lead almost the entire second half by 7-8 pts or more. And when the lead was 10 points with about 10 minutes to go Creighton was playing with more energy and urgency but UNLV's lead just got bigger and it looked like it demoralized the Creighton players-their body language wasn't good (hanging heads, Kalk rolling is eyes and looking up at the ceiling).

Kalk had a good game on offense but he got Sanogoed by Kaleb Boone in the post on defense. In fact, Creighton, who had a great defense, at least last year they did, was getting torched. UNLV shot 52% for the game.

Auror said it in a post up top and I noticed the same thing-Creighton lacks athleticism. UNLV's defense inside the arc made the Blue Jays uncomfortable and rattled. Another thing I will add is Alexander seems like the head of the snake. In Creighton's 2 losses he has shot a combined 3-28 (1-16 vs CSU and 2-12 vs UNLV).
 
Creighton may just be overrated, and they get exposed. Hurts our SOS and potentially our seeding, but it is what it is. If we've learned anything it's: what we do in our games is what counts.
 
87Xfer said:
Creighton may just be overrated, and they get exposed. Hurts our SOS and potentially our seeding, but it is what it is. If we've learned anything it's: what we do in our games is what counts.
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yeah, UConn can only control what their games and nothing else. Here's hoping they win convincingly in Seattle versus Gonzaga Friday night for themselves and Jaylin Stewart.
 
I can't believe so many people are bent on hanging their hat on a MVC program from Nebraska which has been in the Big East for what 11 years. It's Creighton.
 
gsmooth said:
Thoughts about the game just spitballing from the top of my head:

This one hurt the Big East for sure. Creighton who many project to be a top 3 team in the Big East and a top 10-15 nationally has lost 2 games to the Mountain West Conference. It makes the MWC look better and it makes the Big East look bad. Especially considering UNLV was 3-4 entering the game.

This wasn't a game where the underdog had a lot of lucky or fluke plays or bounces of the ball and/or officiating that resulted in and made the difference in a close 1-2 possession win. UNLV lead the entire game and lead almost the entire second half by 7-8 pts or more. And when the lead was 10 points with about 10 minutes to go Creighton was playing with more energy and urgency but UNLV's lead just got bigger and it looked like it demoralized the Creighton players-their body language wasn't good (hanging heads, Kalk rolling is eyes and looking up at the ceiling).

Kalk had a good game on offense but he got Sanogoed by Kaleb Boone in the post on defense. In fact, Creighton, who had a great defense, at least last year they did, was getting torched. UNLV shot 52% for the game.

Auror said it in a post up top and I noticed the same thing-Creighton lacks athleticism. UNLV's defense inside the arc made the Blue Jays uncomfortable and rattled. Another thing I will add is Alexander seems like the head of the snake. In Creighton's 2 losses he has shot a combined 3-28 (1-16 vs CSU and 2-12 vs UNLV).
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They are missing Kaluma defensively/athletically and Ainsworth was not a step up at PG so far. He looks more along the lines of Joey C than Cam so far.
 
caw said:
Ainsworth was not a step up at PG so far. He looks more along the lines of Joey C than Cam so far.
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Ashworth went from 25.9% assist rate, 13.7% turnover rate last year to 18.2% assist rate, 21.8% turnover rate this year. His FT rate was cut in third. 16% usage down from 22%. He's still shooting like a sniper, but between Alexander and Scheierman, it seem like he hasn't found his footing in his role being the 3rd on ball option. And we're not even in conference play when you'd expect the step up in competition to affect him.
 
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auror said:
Ashworth went from 25.9% assist rate, 13.7% turnover rate last year to 18.2% assist rate, 21.8% turnover rate this year. His FT rate was cut in third. 16% usage down from 22%. He's still shooting like a sniper, but between Alexander and Scheierman, it seem like he hasn't found his footing in his role being the 3rd on ball option. And we're not even in conference play when you'd expect the step up in competition to affect him.
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It’s a transition from a lower level of play to a higher one. He’s not Timberlake bad but he looks underwhelming.
 
87Xfer said:
Creighton may just be overrated, and they get exposed. Hurts our SOS and potentially our seeding, but it is what it is. If we've learned anything it's: what we do in our games is what counts.
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Spot on, they are just over rates. Ashworth is a huge disappointment. Obviously his stats don’t translate to higher level play. If alexander is off they lack enough scoring. Unlv added boone for this game so they are much better than 3-4 squad. Good news is if UConn can shut down alexander they win. Perfect spot for castle and his length
 
This is why these numbers, polls, and early results in December have little meaning when it comes to rankings and seedings in late Feb. But we’re still obsessed with it. Creighton can very well live up to their current number or they won’t and as bullet proof and unlikely as it looks right now it can be similar for UCONN. I wouldn’t shovel dirt on Creighton.
 
Creighton/UNLV is why you don't pick teams to go 18-2 in conference. There are a lot of good players out there, and players are sticking around in college a lot longer because they are getting paid. 10 years ago, Kalib Boone might have been in Turkey or someplace earning a living, but he can make more at UNLV so he is playing in Vegas at 22 or 23. Even the players that are a step down stick around now because even $20 or $30 grand a year plus getting a degree is better than whatever else they were going to do. A bad Chicago State team took down Northwestern last night, and Arkansas State cruised over Louisville. I suspect that both those low majors are both old teams too.

Teams that are still going all in on big high school recruiting classes are just stupid (looking at Calipari). College basketball is becoming a men's game, not a boy's game.

Beating Creighton doesn't mean UNLV is a great team or that Creighton is terrible, it just means that a veteran UNLV is good enough that they can put a game together to beat Creighton on a given night. That is why they play the games.
 
jibsey said:
This is why these numbers, polls, and early results in December have little meaning when it comes to rankings and seedings in late Feb. But we’re still obsessed with it. Creighton can very well live up to their current number or they won’t and as bullet proof and unlikely as it looks right now it can be similar for UCONN. I wouldn’t shovel dirt on Creighton.
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These out of conference games can have a big impact on seeding later on. Big East teams are only gonna move from quad to quad by beating up on each other now.
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Hah, know your audience. Ideally, BCU goose eggs the rest of the season, rumored pugilist Juwan Howard blows up Michigan under Warde Manuel’s monitoring, and Slick Rick and St. John’s fester their way to the NIT.
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haha, yeah good point. I only meant "hopefully" in relation to what it does for the conference as a whole (which just helps improve everyone else's resumes)
 
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connVA said:
My 12-year old daughter on listening to Pete Gillen’s color commentary- “This guy’s voice is terrible and he kind of seems like an idiot”. Ouch
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Wait until she turns 14. The list of idiots in the world is going to get long, with dad right at the top. Speaking from experience.
 
Marquette going down to whatever this team is would officially be a terrible loss for the Big East.
 
I just turned the TV on. Who the hell is St. Thomas and why is Marquette, at home, struggling to put them away?
 
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Apparently St. Thomas moved directly from D3 to D1 a few years ago.
 
Leebo said:
Apparently St. Thomas moved directly from D3 to D1 a few years ago.
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Apparently because they are shooting the fukk out of the 3s. This game is actually in doubt.
 
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