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Big East OOC 2.0

nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know how much of a boost the "we were missing a guy" excuse gives team in the Selection Committee room. Creighton can obviously point out that there is no way they lose to both, or probably either, of BYU and ASU if they have Kalkbrenner.

I am having trouble coming up with an example of where the Selection Committee gave a team a big mulligan because it was missing someone important for a few games. Can you think of one?
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The committee has said they take into account injuries and how a team looks at full strength. Not saying they're going to take a 15 win Villanova team and put them in or anything, but they will (supposedly) move teams up or down a seedline or 2 because of injuries.

To your point though I can't think of many times it worked in this direction. I remember it coming up for Michigan State in 2014 when the committee said they would consider their injuries. No idea if it actually ended up happening though, they were a 4 seed but not sure what their resume would have suggested without injuries

The big example in the other direction I can think of was Kenyon Martin's Cincinnati team who was #1 in the country when he got injured in their conference tournament, and the committee moved them down to a 2 seed because of it
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know how much of a boost the "we were missing a guy" excuse gives team in the Selection Committee room. Creighton can obviously point out that there is no way they lose to both, or probably either, of BYU and ASU if they have Kalkbrenner.

I am having trouble coming up with an example of where the Selection Committee gave a team a big mulligan because it was missing someone important for a few games. Can you think of one?
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No. Although your question did remind of how Cinci dropped from a 1 to a 2 seed after Kenyan Martin broke his leg. They did lose their conference tourney so it was multiple factors. Then I thought of UCONN beating LSU and Shaq, I think Shaq was somewhat injured. Anyway, good times.

 
Kolumbo said:
No. Although your question did remind of how Cinci dropped from a 1 to a 2 seed after Kenyan Martin broke his leg. They did lose their conference tourney so it was multiple factors. Then I thought of UCONN beating LSU and Shaq, I think Shaq was somewhat injured. Anyway, good times.

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Just a casual three-quarter court laser inbounds pass from Burrell. We had a version of freak athlete 30 years before AJax arrived.
 
navery12 said:
The committee has said they take into account injuries and how a team looks at full strength. Not saying they're going to take a 15 win Villanova team and put them in or anything, but they will (supposedly) move teams up or down a seedline or 2 because of injuries.

To your point though I can't think of many times it worked in this direction. I remember it coming up for Michigan State in 2014 when the committee said they would consider their injuries. No idea if it actually ended up happening though, they were a 4 seed but not sure what their resume would have suggested without injuries

The big example in the other direction I can think of was Kenyon Martin's Cincinnati team who was #1 in the country when he got injured in their conference tournament, and the committee moved them down to a 2 seed because of it
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There was a midwestern team like Iowa or Kansas State or someone like that a few years ago that lost several in a row without a star player, got him back, finished strong, and made the tournament despite a dodgy resume. I can't remember the year or the team, but it does happen occasionally, but not often.

I think this matters more with the last few bubble slots when all the resumes are equally mediocre and the Selection Committee is trying to pick the team with the best shot to win a game or two. A team with a star player back that proved they can beat good teams with him will get the nod over the 20-12 6th place P6 team that is 2-9 against the Top 50 and just hasn't lost to anyone terrible.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
There was a midwestern team like Iowa or Kansas State or someone like that a few years ago that lost several in a row without a star player, got him back, finished strong, and made the tournament despite a dodgy resume. I can't remember the year or the team, but it does happen occasionally, but not often.

I think this matters more with the last few bubble slots when all the resumes are equally mediocre and the Selection Committee is trying to pick the team with the best shot to win a game or two. A team with a star player back that proved they can beat good teams with him will get the nod over the 20-12 6th place P6 team that is 2-9 against the Top 50 and just hasn't lost to anyone terrible.
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Do we have to introduce geography into every thread.
 
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Samoo said:
He could have said flyover...
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I just don’t want this thread to be corrupted with bourbon, walleye and human behavior stuff.
 
Solid Big East OOC matchup today at 7 on ESPN+ with DePaul visiting Duquesne.

At 7-3, Duquesne already has more wins than last year and their losses have all been against good teams (Kentucky, Marshall, New Mexico State).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know how much of a boost the "we were missing a guy" excuse gives team in the Selection Committee room. Creighton can obviously point out that there is no way they lose to both, or probably either, of BYU and ASU if they have Kalkbrenner.

I am having trouble coming up with an example of where the Selection Committee gave a team a big mulligan because it was missing someone important for a few games. Can you think of one?
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Not a player injury, but the committee gave Syracuse a break a few years ago when Boeheim was suspended and they went 5-4 or 4-5. The chair of the committee said on CBS that they would judge Syracuse by the team that would be playing in the NCAA tournament (i.e. with Boeheim).
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Solid Big East OOC matchup today at 7 on ESPN+ with DePaul visiting Duquesne.

At 7-3, Duquesne already has more wins than last year and their losses have all been against good teams (Kentucky, Marshall, New Mexico State).
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Don't have ESPN+ so I'm stuck watching the Seton Hall/Drexel bloodbath :(
 
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Seton Hall was up 31 with 12 and a half minutes to go. Now up 13 with just under 4 minutes left

Definitely too little too late, but Drexel is on a 24-6 run. Dang
 
81-37 (20-27).

Seton Hall wins; DePaul loses.

Three games left.
 
Beachview said:
Disappointing year for the big east
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Sometimes a good mid-major beats a weak P6 team. Ole Miss is an SEC bubble team, and they went down to UCF tonight at home. Is the SEC having a disappointing year too?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Sometimes a good mid-major beats a weak P6 team. Ole Miss is an SEC bubble team, and they went down to UCF tonight at home. Is the SEC having a disappointing year too?
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Not by the criteria of looking at a Conference's record against all OOC opponents or all other P5 opponents, which is the predominant basis for your comments about Big East OOC performance.

This is a certain variety of, "I like to be sometimes" posting that leaves people wary that you might be conning them whenever you offer a strong opinion either here or another forum.

I regularly wonder why a guy like you plays around with his credibility, reputation, or chance to influence or improve things you claim to care about or find important?
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Sometimes a good mid-major beats a weak P6 team. Ole Miss is an SEC bubble team, and they went down to UCF tonight at home. Is the SEC having a disappointing year too?
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I think i was expecting the big east to be really good this year…we are ok… but not what i was expecting… if not for uconn the big east would be bad
 
82-38 (21-28).

St. John’s wins; DePaul loses.
 
The OOC season is now complete. Overall, it has been disappointing.

OOC records for each school:

UConn (11-0)
St. John’s (10-1)
Xavier (8-3)
Marquette (8-3)
Providence (8-3)
Butler (8-3)
Seton Hall (7-4)
Villanova (6-5)
Creighton (6-5)
DePaul (6-5)
Georgetown (5-6)
 
shizzle787 said:
The OOC season is now complete. Overall, it has been disappointing.

OOC records for each school:

UConn (11-0)
St. John’s (10-1)
Xavier (8-3)
Marquette (8-3)
Providence (8-3)
Butler (8-3)
Seton Hall (7-4)
Villanova (6-5)
Creighton (6-5)
DePaul (6-5)
Georgetown (5-6)
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Not great, but if you discount DePaul and Georgetown, they really only have 3 losses to teams that won't be competing for an NCAA bid. Siena over Hall, and Temple and Portland over Nova.
 
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